Heroic: Juggernaut Nov 6 - 9

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Of course community scaling is going to be significant because below the 200 range you have a lot of nodes that Black Panther can almost one shot the entire team at level 256. The question is how long does it take before you need 2 Rage of the Panthers to beat some of the nodes, as that'd represent a very significant increase in difficulty. Right now you can just do Rage + Battleplan or Rage + any halfway decent move to knock out Daken and everyone else is even easier, but if you need 2 Rage to take out Daken that's going to be quite difficult.

yogi_

Um.... this hasn't been mentioned yet, which I am highly surprised at.

Placement 21 and down is now only 1 cover?

You have to get in the top 20 to get 2 covers???

They must be DESPERATE to slow the release of these things down.

TazFTW

yogi_ wrote:

Um.... this hasn't been mentioned yet, which I am highly surprised at.

Top 50 is now only 1 cover?

You have to get in the top 20 to get 2 covers???

They must be DESPERATE to slow the release of these things down.

Compare it to the other Heroics.

yogi_

Oh yeah...

Hmm, guess just used to looking more at the non-Heroics.

fmftint

Getting face-**** on "Easy" nodes sure is fun

lukewin

Anyone wanna contribute to this thread? FYI Juggernaut Heroic - Current bracket is at ___ people http://www.d3pforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=18636

Appreciate any input into the thread, even if your bracket is already full. Would probably be best to add the following info - 1)Current amount of people in bracket 2)Leader in bracket with amount of points

rbdragon

Has anyone over at D3 ever mentioned how they determine who gets picked for the characters we can use in heroics?

Dartboard? Mousewheel? The rubber ducky game? Lottery ping-pong ball system?

Whatever it is, they need a new system....

I think I good way to pick the roster would be to implement a system where each player can choose any three 3* non-villains, three 2* non-villains, and two 1* non-villains that they use for the entire tourney. Or make a poll and ask us who we should get to use, then not allow us to pick them the next heroic...something to change this ridiculousness of giving us such terrible combinations ALL THE DAMN TIME.....

Or, just stop running heroics all together.....

Unknown

rbdragon wrote:

Or, just stop running heroics all together.....

Which is the solution everyone has been begging for for like months. This is what pve was like before subs. It's outdated and ****. The ONE thing it does well is force people to fight ultra high level juggernauts, which forces them to use health packs.

There guys aren't stupid. They know full well what happens when you uncap Venoms and Juggs. They know they become comically unbalanced. But when people start yelling about it all the community people just vanish into thin air.

Unknown

yogi_ wrote:

Um.... this hasn't been mentioned yet, which I am highly surprised at.

Placement 21 and down is now only 1 cover?

You have to get in the top 20 to get 2 covers???

They must be DESPERATE to slow the release of these things down.

The 3* cover went down to as low as top 150 instead of the usual top 100, which makes it a lot easier to get a cover if you're starting late.

Of course, if you started already, that information is of no use to you now.

dkffiv

Champion breakdown:

3*
Black Panther is pretty solid, a little slow.

GSBW is terrible for heroics due to how slow she is and how bad she is without a supporting cast. She's especially bad when she is boosted (I believe she was the featured last heroic) due to being unable to hide her behind other characters.

Colossus is a terrible choice as very few people have covers for him and even if you had a maxed one, 2/3rds of his abilities are useless due to sharing the colors of the primary character.

2*
Ms. Marvel is a pretty bad character to begin with and no one has covers for her. She might be alright if she was featured in any other PvE type but why would you include her in a limited roster event? Shares 2 of the primary character's colors and her red is terrible.

Magneto is decent but without a blue outlet he's basically only there for red.

Wolverine is pretty good but gets outscaled quickly. Currently he is my top pick to spam BP's strike tiles with his green.

1*
Storm. I'm bringing her along because I really don't have anyone else to use and sometimes her green can generate enough AP for a game winning RotP. Shares yellow and black with BP.

IM35. Too weak to tank anything, blue is ridiculously expensive. Red user I suppose.

WHY IN GODS NAME DID YOU PICK COLOSSUS?!? If you wanted us to use new characters, why not Blade or Doc Oc? Doc Oc would be a green + blue outlet (someone to use with mags) and his black would actually get used on most of these daken/bullseye/goon nodes. Why not She Hulk, another blue green user who would also have a decent red? EVEN BEAST FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.

The lack of CD removal characters also sucks. 2* cap should be featured or hell, maybe even Moonstone. Wouldn't be hard to change Moonstone's nodes to Yelenas.

DrStrange-616

Ugh. Played a few nodes. Won, but got creamed.

No BP = No point

atomzed

Oh man, the choice of characters are... awful. There's very little choice of strategy available.

The most efficient strategy is to collect 12 black, Rage of the panther. Repeat if required. GG.

This was worse than the previous time when Lthor was the boosted character, as at least you could thunder strike into CoTS. For bp, it's purely "collect 12 black. "

I really bored about pve grind. Sigh, it's been a long time since I grind for new characters. The last time it was for DP. Really shouldn't have started...

Will the rubberband effect be strong? I guess no one really knows.

djvkool

So far so good, IM35 and MStorm maxed out, with L80 boosted Wolvie

Though won't be able to do the essential as I don't have a BP, bah!!

mjh

Can anybody with a fully levelled IM35 give stats to see if he's a good outlet for and worth the 28k investment from base to max (+ maybe roster spot)

powered up level 90
health: 4700

1645dmg
564dmg + 20 or 40 (unconfirmed - but that low it doesn't matter)
2585dmg. 1, 2 or 3 turn stun. Damage stays the same

dkffiv

HawkeyeSucks wrote:

Can anybody with a fully levelled IM35 give stats to see if he's a good outlet for and worth the 28k investment from base to max (+ maybe roster spot)

powered up level 90
health: ?

dmg?
dmg? protect tile strength? either 2, 3 or 4
dmg? either 1, 2 or 3 turn stun. Damage stays the same

he's either built 5/3/5 or 5/5/3 so the only thing that changes is the amount of stun on or the amount of protect tiles on

Short answer: No. You will never gather 19 blue AP.

4700 hp, 1645 on red, 564 on yellow with some really low protect tiles (20 or 40), 2585 on blue.

mjh

Thank you! However with MNMags you can generate 19 a lot easier

Unknown

HawkeyeSucks wrote:

Can anybody with a fully levelled IM35 give stats to see if he's a good outlet for and worth the 28k investment from base to max (+ maybe roster spot)

powered up level 90
health: ?

dmg?
dmg? protect tile strength? either 2, 3 or 4
dmg? either 1, 2 or 3 turn stun. Damage stays the same

he's either built 5/3/5 or 5/5/3 so the only thing that changes is the amount of stun on or the amount of protect tiles on

Hawkeye, unfortunately the team(if you can even call it that) for this heroic, as many others have stated, makes NO sense. Colossus can't tank for anyone, Magneto will Purple into...nothing?, No one has Ms. Marvel covers yet. The only real options are to use Wolvy and BP.

In short, save your ISO unless its for BP or the next event.

dkffiv

HawkeyeSucks wrote:

Thank you! However with MNMags you can generate 19 a lot easier

Polarity Shift gives you 5 placed tiles, Deceptive Tactics gives you 6. Its rare to get a sniper right after deceptive and if you're going out of your way to gather blue + purple, Ares or Jugg is going to go around grabbing red and green. Only time it may work is against Daken but I usually try to keep blue off the board for him anyway. Less blue on board, less chance to make 4 or 5 match Polarity Shifts

DrStrange-616

My IM35 is 5/5/3.

Powered up to 90 stats:

4700 Health

1645
564 4 protect tiles
2585 stuns for 1 turn

Hope this helps. That's a lot of ISO for this situation, I think. Good luck whatever you do.

mjh

Thanks guys. Just trying to figure out some ray of light in this big pve mess.

So far the best method is still go for 12 and 19 . repeat.

Worst PVE ever.