Anniversary Tokens - Combined Arms and Venom: Heroic

TazFTW

In the week of doubling, why not double the LR points value? So the first seed team is worth 50 points instead of 25.

Raffoon

Hey wait a second..... weren't the lightning rounds supposed to have Anniversary tokens anyway???

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itstime1234 wrote:

MojoWild wrote:

So... I'd already earned the 300 point progression reward in Combined Arms... so the solution to get an Anniversary Token vs PVP token is that I need to earn it again by fighting for a 500 point progression reward in a separate tournament?

No No No that's not it, you also only have 90 minutes. But don't worry when you don't succeed the first time you can fail again when the next one starts 30 min later.

and dont worry anytime you have a logical solution or voice a reasonable complaint some other tinykitty will come and tell you to stop being a crybaby and just take whatever garbage is being shoved down your throat.

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Raffoon wrote:

Hey wait a second..... weren't the lightning rounds supposed to have Anniversary tokens anyway???

this is the funniest part i mean what else were they gonna be BEFORE THE MESS UP? combined arms tokens? prodigal sun tokens?

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stephen43084 wrote:

The sad thing is, if the anniversary token was at 50, we'd have people complaining that they have to play LR and they aren't just given out. If they were given out, people would complain that they should get more.

#cantpleasesomepeople

#obvioustrollisobvious

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aflynn wrote:

Raffoon wrote:

Hey wait a second..... weren't the lightning rounds supposed to have Anniversary tokens anyway???

this is the funniest part i mean what else were they gonna be BEFORE THE MESS UP? combined arms tokens? prodigal sun tokens?

Normal LR tokens?

IceIX

xubango wrote:

One question.We will receive anniversary tokens from the Balance Of Power PVP?

Yes. Same progressions as DP's tourney, 300 and 900.

HailMary

aflynn wrote:

Raffoon wrote:

Hey wait a second..... weren't the lightning rounds supposed to have Anniversary tokens anyway???

this is the funniest part i mean what else were they gonna be BEFORE THE MESS UP? combined arms tokens? prodigal sun tokens?

Or, ya know, LR tokens... because they're LRs.

It's possible they were already supposed to be Anniversary tokens, but I've seen literally nothing that supports that notion.

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aflynn wrote:

Raffoon wrote:

Hey wait a second..... weren't the lightning rounds supposed to have Anniversary tokens anyway???

this is the funniest part i mean what else were they gonna be BEFORE THE MESS UP? combined arms tokens? prodigal sun tokens?

Bingo. I think the change was that it was added as a progression reward as well.

Reality:

1. They messed up the Combined Arms and Heroic Venom progression rewards to be tokens for those events instead of the Anniversary tokens. The majority of the player base can easily attain 300 points and both progression rewards in the PVE.
2. Lightning Rounds were likely originally setup to reward Anniversary tokens in 20 player brackets as Placement Rewards. Progression Rewards were similar to regular lightning rounds, ISO and Standard tokens.
3. The fix for number 1 was to change the top progression reward for the Lightning Rounds from a Standard token to an Anniversary token. This 500 point progression reward is (likely) unattainable by the majority of the player pool.

So the only real change is that they gave the top level players a chance to recoup the three anniversary tokens they missed out on. This is right in line with the rotate some characters out of the cover pack pool strategy they are going with that further promotes/favors the top tier and poops on the new and transition players.

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HailMary wrote:

aflynn wrote:

Raffoon wrote:

Hey wait a second..... weren't the lightning rounds supposed to have Anniversary tokens anyway???

this is the funniest part i mean what else were they gonna be BEFORE THE MESS UP? combined arms tokens? prodigal sun tokens?

Or, ya know, LR tokens... because they're LRs.

It's possible they were already supposed to be Anniversary tokens, but I've seen literally nothing that supports that notion.

Literally every other event that's been run during the Anniversary was supposed to give anniversary tokens. You are simply kidding yourself (or trolling) if you think these LRs, that Ice just confirmed have the Anniversary tag, were going to give any other token.

Unknown

Would it be possible to insert an additional progression reward in an event after it's started, and have it apply to people who have passed that point? For example, add one at 299 for Combined Arms, and have everyone who already passed 299 would get it, and everyone who hasn't still would.

IceIX

Grizzlegom wrote:

aflynn wrote:

Raffoon wrote:

Hey wait a second..... weren't the lightning rounds supposed to have Anniversary tokens anyway???

this is the funniest part i mean what else were they gonna be BEFORE THE MESS UP? combined arms tokens? prodigal sun tokens?

Bingo. I think the change was that it was added as a progression reward as well.

Reality:

1. They messed up the Combined Arms and Heroic Venom progression rewards to be tokens for those events instead of the Anniversary tokens. The majority of the player base can easily attain 300 points and both progression rewards in the PVE.
2. Lightning Rounds were likely originally setup to reward Anniversary tokens in 20 player brackets as Placement Rewards. Progression Rewards were similar to regular lightning rounds, ISO and Standard tokens.
3. The fix for number 1 was to change the top progression reward for the Lightning Rounds from a Standard token to an Anniversary token. This 500 point progression reward is (likely) unattainable by the majority of the player pool.

So the only real change is that they gave the top level players a chance to recoup the three anniversary tokens they missed out on. This is right in line with the rotate some characters out of the cover pack pool strategy they are going with that further promotes/favors the top tier and poops on the new and transition players.

Not the case, but since it seems to suddenly have become the latest conspiracy theory, I figure I'll shut it down. The answer is actually simpler. The original one was the only token that isn't a Standard one or tied to a specific Event (since that would tie Thor into an unrelated one). Only really one choice there.

IceIX

Ben Grimm wrote:

Would it be possible to insert an additional progression reward in an event after it's started, and have it apply to people who have passed that point? For example, add one at 299 for Combined Arms, and have everyone who already passed 299 would get it, and everyone who hasn't still would.

If we added an additional progression reward, it would have to be at a point value that hasn't been attained yet. The server checks for new point value passing a threshold, not against all values and all thresholds.

Unknown

I appreciate they plan on offering more anniversary tokens, and am glad they admitted that this was a bug. More tokens - I'm not sure if I'll get them, but that's more appetizing than venom heroic/combined arms. Well, I've gotten the max progression reward from lightning round before, but never for very long(can you say counterattack?). Hopefully I can get to 500 and not have a giant target on my head...because I don't wanna shield for lightning round...

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HailMary wrote:

aflynn wrote:

Raffoon wrote:

Hey wait a second..... weren't the lightning rounds supposed to have Anniversary tokens anyway???

this is the funniest part i mean what else were they gonna be BEFORE THE MESS UP? combined arms tokens? prodigal sun tokens?

Or, ya know, LR tokens... because they're LRs.

It's possible they were already supposed to be Anniversary tokens, but I've seen literally nothing that supports that notion.

"Did you assume that all events during anniversary week would reward anniversary tokens in place of event-specific heroics?" - I believe if you polled the entire playerbase after DP vs MPQ and Tex-Mex, the consensus would be yes.

So perhaps there was no concrete evidence from a dev hinting as much, but they already admitted that not having special tokens for the special PvP was a mistake. Is it so much of a stretch to assume that they planned to have special tokens for the special LR?

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IceIX wrote:

Not the case, but since it seems to suddenly have become the latest conspiracy theory, I figure I'll shut it down. The answer is actually simpler. The original one was the only token that isn't a Standard one or tied to a specific Event (since that would tie Thor into an unrelated one). Only really one choice there.

If I follow correctly, the original placement reward was going to be a new token that had Thor in it and that was then changed to Anniversary tokens?

IceIX

Grizzlegom wrote:

IceIX wrote:

Not the case, but since it seems to suddenly have become the latest conspiracy theory, I figure I'll shut it down. The answer is actually simpler. The original one was the only token that isn't a Standard one or tied to a specific Event (since that would tie Thor into an unrelated one). Only really one choice there.

If I follow correctly, the original placement reward was going to be a new token that had Thor in it and that was then changed to Anniversary tokens?

Narp. Thor is first going to be given as a prize for Season VII.
Original rewards would have been Heroics. Hence the only tokens that aren't Standards or Event tokens.

Edit: Looking at the other post, I apologize for my vagueness. I was trying to be all like Socrates with the answers as questions and failed miserably. Should have just directly clarified.

Unknown

ridiculous.

mohio

Ugh, I typed out this whole thing and then somehow the page reloaded and it disappeared. I'll try to boil it down again.

I want you guys to consider D3/Demiurge's options for solving this issue. The way I see it there are maybe 3 ways they could try to make this up to us, but feel free to add your own if you think of something else that's actually different.

1) Change the progression rewards to anniversary tokens mid-event and upset everyone who has already gotten some/all of them.
2) Give out a free anni token or two to everyone (or everyone who participates in these 2 events). Sure it's not the 4 you could have gotten otherwise, but not everyone can get them all and manually handing out the rewards based on how many you actually got is not really feasible.
3) Add additional anniversary token rewards to remaining events. Further options for this would be:
a) add additional token support to lightning rounds (obviously this is the solution they picked)
b) add additional token support to balance of power. Would have to create new tiers or eliminate some hp/iso rewards. People would still complain about pvp vs. pve rewards.
c) add a 1 or 1.5 day pve event that would have anniversary tokens as progression and placement rewards. It would have to be something like another heroic condensed to 1.5 days instead of 2.5. Keep in mind this means having another event running alongside balance of power and Thor (Goddess) LRs. And also might delay the start of the next regularly scheduled pve.

None of these options are perfect, and only handing out blanket free tokens to everyone is completely fair. I certainly don't fault them for picking the option they did since it actually seems the most reasonable to me.

atomzed

IceIX wrote:

Ben Grimm wrote:

Would it be possible to insert an additional progression reward in an event after it's started, and have it apply to people who have passed that point? For example, add one at 299 for Combined Arms, and have everyone who already passed 299 would get it, and everyone who hasn't still would.

If we added an additional progression reward, it would have to be at a point value that hasn't been attained yet. The server checks for new point value passing a threshold, not against all values and all thresholds.

Icex, I understand that at the macro picture, D3 is releasing more anniversary tokens to the population. But at a micro picture, people will only be concerned about their loss. The first progression token in pvp and pve are guaranteed for any 2* players. The LR is not going to guarantee them 2 tokens, even if you run 12 LR.

May I suggest that out of good will, D3 just give 2 anniversary tokens to everyone? You don't even have to explain to the general population. Just put a pop up box saying "Dino and venom ate all the cakes and are sorry. Here are 2 tokens as their apology." Case closed.

Please consider this option to placate the supporters. And come on, this was a genuine mistake, and this *is* the anniversary after all.