Anniversary Tokens - Combined Arms and Venom: Heroic

HailMary

itstime1234 wrote:

It says as a result of the error we are adding an anniversary progression reward.

Where?

I just see this in the OP: "So, what we’ve decided to do is make the rewards for the upcoming Thor (Goddess of Thunder) Lightning Rounds contain Anniversary Pack tokens for both progression and placement rewards. This will allow players to get more Anniversary tokens with progression rewards and as a way to get many more by fighting and placing well in each of the available Lightning Rounds."

Unknown

HailMary wrote:

itstime1234 wrote:

HailMary wrote:

With all the HULK SMASH fixation on the 500-point progression token, you'd think the LRs weren't doing something awesome like giving 1+ Anniversary tokens to 25% of all participants every two hours.

You would think this is a thread about the error in combined arms and Heroic and how its being made up with the 500 point progression as oppose to commenting on the originally planned reward structure.

Did anyone official say that the LRs were already going to be tiny-bracketed and give Anniversary tokens to the top 25%?

Pylgrim wrote:

True, that 25% comprised of X-men, S.H.I.E.L.D. and the such. They were really hurting for more tokens, what with their poor half-empty rosters.

Even if we assume that every member of every top-20 alliance seriously played every LR, that's 400 hardcore cyborgs. Ice said that participation in a typical LR hovers around the 10,000-player mark. That's 500 alliances worth of players.

400/10000 = 4%.
4% << 25%.

Math.

CrookedKnight wrote:

It wouldn't be as annoying if it weren't replacing tokens that were basically participation awards with ones that only 25% of people will get. And even though it's a rotating 25%, and odds are you'll get lucky if you keep trying, that relies on having the time to keep trying, since Lightning Rounds have a higher barrier to entry, both for time and roster, than low-tier progression rewards in a regular PvP or PvE.

Fair point. The singular fixation on the 500 prog token just seemed bizarre to me.

Yes the 25% is better than 4% of the previous LRs. Much better. But it's also much worse than the 100% I'd get for the progression rewards on the PvP and PvE. This replacement reward system should have just been applied to the next PvP and pve to be the most fair

Unknown

DuffManOhYeah wrote:

sorcered wrote:

PPPlaya wrote:

Will the Lightning Rounds count towards the seasonal points? Because the 3k Progression is just a pipedream for anyone who didn't score at least 1400 in the Deadpool event. And there are not many team configurations that allow that.

You can score 1400 in the current event. One of my teammates is at 1300+ atm, and he's nothing out of the ordinary - just the usual maxed 3* / maxed 2* / maxed 1*.

Don't forget the mandatory shield hopping (500hp+ expenditure).

I left it out of the picture on purpose given that the original poster only mentioned team configs.

Pylgrim

HailMary wrote:

itstime1234 wrote:

HailMary wrote:

With all the HULK SMASH fixation on the 500-point progression token, you'd think the LRs weren't doing something awesome like giving 1+ Anniversary tokens to 25% of all participants every two hours.

You would think this is a thread about the error in combined arms and Heroic and how its being made up with the 500 point progression as oppose to commenting on the originally planned reward structure.

Did anyone official say that the LRs were already going to be tiny-bracketed and give Anniversary tokens to the top 25%?

Pylgrim wrote:

True, that 25% comprised of X-men, S.H.I.E.L.D. and the such. They were really hurting for more tokens, what with their poor half-empty rosters.

Even if we assume that every member of every top-20 alliance seriously played every LR, that's 400 hardcore cyborgs. Ice said that participation in a typical LR hovers around the 10,000-player mark. That's 500 alliances worth of players.

400/10000 = 4%.
4% << 25%.

Math.

Your math is a bit skewed because hardcore players are as they have demonstrated more likely to play. That's why it's called hardcore. They didn't get where they are by taking things casually as the rest of the population, they are much more willing to spend huge amounts of time and/or money than your average player. So yes, I expect that they will play as many LRs as humanly possible. We will see, but a year of being completely walled in LRs doesn't give me hopes for a magical two days of fighting fairly-leveled peers.

IceIX

kilgarin wrote:

Will these LRs add to our overall Anniversary score or will they be seperate like traditional LRs?

At this very moment, it's tagged as an Anniversary Event (because it takes place as a part of it and has Anniversary rewards) but does not contribute to overall points.

itstime1234

HailMary wrote:

itstime1234 wrote:

It says as a result of the error we are adding an anniversary progression reward.

Where?

I just see this in the OP: "So, what we’ve decided to do is make the rewards for the upcoming Thor (Goddess of Thunder) Lightning Rounds contain Anniversary Pack tokens for both progression and placement rewards. This will allow players to get more Anniversary tokens with progression rewards and as a way to get many more by fighting and placing well in each of the available Lightning Rounds."

Bolded for you. Now you can get a progression reward and as a result of getting this reward you will place well and get more in the rewards.

HailMary

Pylgrim wrote:

Your math is a bit skewed because hardcore players are as they have demonstrated more likely to play. That's why it's called hardcore. They didn't get where they are by taking things casually as the rest of the population, they are much more willing to spend huge amounts of time and/or money than your average player. So yes, I expect that they will play as many LRs as humanly possible. We will see, but a year of being completely walled in LRs doesn't give me hopes for a magical two days of fighting fairly-leveled peers.

My math is skewed because it assumes everyone in the top 20 alliances will stay awake grinding LRs nonstop for 48 hours straight (or however long the LRs run). My math is skewed because literally no one in Django, a T20 alliance, will be doing anything remotely approaching this. The same should hold true in every other T20 alliance as well.

You can try to unskew my math if you'd like, but I suspect it won't help your case.

itstime1234 wrote:

"This will allow players to get more Anniversary tokens with progression rewards and as a way to get many more by fighting and placing well in each of the available Lightning Rounds."

Bolded for you. Now you can get a progression reward and as a result of getting this reward you will place well and get more in the rewards.

You know that sentence has a second half, right?

Unknown

itstime1234 wrote:

HailMary wrote:

itstime1234 wrote:

It says as a result of the error we are adding an anniversary progression reward.

Where?

I just see this in the OP: "So, what we’ve decided to do is make the rewards for the upcoming Thor (Goddess of Thunder) Lightning Rounds contain Anniversary Pack tokens for both progression and placement rewards. This will allow players to get more Anniversary tokens with progression rewards and as a way to get many more by fighting and placing well in each of the available Lightning Rounds."

Bolded for you. Now you can get a progression reward and as a result of getting this reward you will place well and get more in the rewards.

Bolded and underlined for you.

The way it's written is that they added them to the placement and progression rewards, not just one.

_RiO_

IceIX wrote:

kilgarin wrote:

Will these LRs add to our overall Anniversary score or will they be seperate like traditional LRs?

At this very moment, it's tagged as an Anniversary Event (because it takes place as a part of it and has Anniversary rewards) but does not contribute to overall points.

Wonderful. That will turn half of the Combined Arms brackets into a murder pool to grab enough points to hit 3000 and will have the other half stagnate for lack of interest with the possibility of reaching 3000 points lost anyway.

Unknown

_RiO_ wrote:

IceIX wrote:

kilgarin wrote:

Will these LRs add to our overall Anniversary score or will they be seperate like traditional LRs?

At this very moment, it's tagged as an Anniversary Event (because it takes place as a part of it and has Anniversary rewards) but does not contribute to overall points.

Wonderful. That will turn half of the Combined Arms brackets into a murder pool to grab enough points to hit 3000 and will have the other half stagnate for lack of interest with the possibility of reaching 3000 points lost anyway.

Combined Arms is already a murder pool. It's absolutely miserable.

Unknown

This is kind unfair, we don´t receive the anniversary tokens on the progression of the pvp and pve ( because on both events every one can at least get one token, because it's possible), and now you put them on the LR progression with 500 points.I think most of the players won't reach that.It's like we were being harmed.

Unknown

The sad thing is, if the anniversary token was at 50, we'd have people complaining that they have to play LR and they aren't just given out. If they were given out, people would complain that they should get more.

#cantpleasesomepeople

_RiO_

Ben Grimm wrote:

_RiO_ wrote:

IceIX wrote:

kilgarin wrote:

Will these LRs add to our overall Anniversary score or will they be seperate like traditional LRs?

At this very moment, it's tagged as an Anniversary Event (because it takes place as a part of it and has Anniversary rewards) but does not contribute to overall points.

Wonderful. That will turn half of the Combined Arms brackets into a murder pool to grab enough points to hit 3000 and will have the other half stagnate for lack of interest with the possibility of reaching 3000 points lost anyway.

Combined Arms is already a murder pool. It's absolutely miserable.

Haven't seen my bracket degenerate yet. Guess I should count my lucky stars while I can.

stephen43084 wrote:

The sad thing is, if the anniversary token was at 50, we'd have people complaining that they have to play LR and they aren't just given out. If they were given out, people would complain that they should get more.

#cantpleasesomepeople

People aren't complaining that they didn't get enough tokens.
People are complaining that tokens from an event where 2* and 3* players can perform quite well and have a good shot at collecting a good part of them, are going to be moved to an event where those same players generally have close to zero chance of grabbing anything substantial. And they are complaining that the devs apparantly believe this is an appropriate fix and are calling it a day.

Well; the only way it is an appropriate fix, is when you take 'fix' to have the same meaning as the 'fix' in 'fixing a dog'.

Unknown

After you get your tokens, you can write thank yous.

Unknown

HailMary wrote:

With all the HULK SMASH fixation on the 500-point progression token, you'd think the LRs weren't doing something awesome like giving 1+ Anniversary tokens to 25% of participants every two hours.

yeah thats great but 100% of people missed out on multiple anniversary tokens in pve and pvp, not 25%

MojoWild

So... I'd already earned the 300 point progression reward in Combined Arms... so the solution to get an Anniversary Token vs PVP token is that I need to earn it again by fighting for a 500 point progression reward in a separate tournament?

Unknown

One question.We will receive anniversary tokens from the Balance Of Power PVP?

Raffoon

They need to replace either the 50 or 200 progression with Anniversary tokens. Many people can't put aside the time to get 500 points in the span of an hour and half, but can easily achieve 300/900 over the course of 2 days, and make the equivalent progress in PVE as well.

This is almost worse than not doing anything. Dangling a carrot that most people will never achieve in front of everyone and saying that it acts as a fix for a screw-up? Seriously?

Also, a bit confused about the placement rankings in the original post. Are we doing 20 man brackets here?

itstime1234

MojoWild wrote:

So... I'd already earned the 300 point progression reward in Combined Arms... so the solution to get an Anniversary Token vs PVP token is that I need to earn it again by fighting for a 500 point progression reward in a separate tournament?

No No No that's not it, you also only have 90 minutes. But don't worry when you don't succeed the first time you can fail again when the next one starts 30 min later.

SunCrusher

j12601 wrote:

itstime1234 wrote:

HailMary wrote:

itstime1234 wrote:

It says as a result of the error we are adding an anniversary progression reward.

Where?

I just see this in the OP: "So, what we’ve decided to do is make the rewards for the upcoming Thor (Goddess of Thunder) Lightning Rounds contain Anniversary Pack tokens for both progression and placement rewards. This will allow players to get more Anniversary tokens with progression rewards and as a way to get many more by fighting and placing well in each of the available Lightning Rounds."

Bolded for you. Now you can get a progression reward and as a result of getting this reward you will place well and get more in the rewards.

Bolded and underlined for you.

The way it's written is that they added them to the placement and progression rewards, not just one.

'Them' meaning Anniversary Tokens, yes?

Well, according to Ice's post, this is exactly how many additional opportunities people will have to get them via the Progression Rewards...

Progression

25 - 280 Iso-8
50 - Standard Token
100 - 500 Iso-8
200 - Standard Token
300 - 1000 Iso-8
500 - Anniversary Token

Which equates to exactly ONE/1 opportunity at the lowest level of Progression Rewards unless of course that was a typo and somehow, the other Standard Tokens are going to magically transform into Anniversary Tokens.

Except 'lowest level' isn't exactly reasonably or feasibly attainable by most non-hardcore-built teams.

NOT related to the above quoted conversation:

For those who are likely to have difficulties in Lightning Rounds not just achieving the required Ranking rewards but also the 500 point progression reward, PvEs offer a more stable ground to compete and gain points on a more regular basis.

Even IF a Ranking Reward slipped past, a Progression Reward might still be possible or, depending, vice versa. Granted, grinding nodes isn't the most fun thing to do, but at least you're not worrying about losing points from retaliations after retaliations or not being able to gain any points whatsoever because you've hit a certain wall in terms of opponents.

PvEs were/are a little more friendly to -everyone- and not just the veterans who already have the ability to slam past whoever and whatever in PvP. The movement of the rewards to PvP and LRs no less where - as DuffManYeah pointed out - -500- points is the location of the Progression reward is a big difference from what would have been possible and available if it had been properly implemented in the PvE and I neither blame people for feeling skeptical about this change (I feel skeptical knowing my previous history with LRs and know that 500 points is not in my ballpark; I'm lucky if I even hit 200) nor blame people - especially those caught in between - for being outright upset (I kind of am because I know 500 points is going to be pretty %$#@ed impossible for me).

I personally am crossing my fingers and hoping that I can place well enough in the Ranking (the 20 person bracket that Ice seems to be excited about which I will be cautiously optimistic about) that it will take away the sting of having the first/lowest hanging Progression Award Anniversary Token stuck at an unobtainable 500 points.