Phantron wrote: I must have missed the part where PvP now starts with your opponent only having two characters so you can immediately end the game with a Power Surge + Smite without worrying about how you're supposed to deal with the third guy.
monica123 wrote: DrUnpleasant wrote: Some things to bear in mind: She's not that fast in attack. She'll take a while to 'get going' and that's IF you prioritise her over the quick lethality of X-Force if you pair them up. Time spent waiting to unleash is time you're taking damage... She has no healing ability, so unlike X-Force she'll need heath packs for sustained use. That means using her mainly for end-game shield hops... and then see point 1 in that she's not the fastest necessarily for that task. If you want to speed her up you'll probably want to bring Mr Squishy (Hood) which means that you become a target for attacks due to focused fire on Hood. Her high Health will deter people to a point, but when you're up around 1300pts+... everyone's a target. Honestly, she's very very strong but I'm not convinced she needs nerf queing until we see how she plays out under 'normal' use (i.e. not +3 Yellow/Red AND +3 all AP). Business is business. X force and 4hor will be nerfed one by one. It is equal to the case of rag cmag spidey. Also sentry + hood. I also got 3 cover of this character but i will regret my decision if i use money to level her up. This business model is congruent to that of league of legend. I believed in the reason of funbalance. But now i admit that i was simple and naive.
DrUnpleasant wrote: Some things to bear in mind: She's not that fast in attack. She'll take a while to 'get going' and that's IF you prioritise her over the quick lethality of X-Force if you pair them up. Time spent waiting to unleash is time you're taking damage... She has no healing ability, so unlike X-Force she'll need heath packs for sustained use. That means using her mainly for end-game shield hops... and then see point 1 in that she's not the fastest necessarily for that task. If you want to speed her up you'll probably want to bring Mr Squishy (Hood) which means that you become a target for attacks due to focused fire on Hood. Her high Health will deter people to a point, but when you're up around 1300pts+... everyone's a target. Honestly, she's very very strong but I'm not convinced she needs nerf queing until we see how she plays out under 'normal' use (i.e. not +3 Yellow/Red AND +3 all AP).
Lerysh wrote: Maybe, but then you can have your Mirror add Charge Tiles for you while you collect all the red. Just take the stun on your X-Force and counter-murder Thoress with Smite.
ark123 wrote: Have you guys actually been playing against her? Have you seen what happens when you let her land her blue on the support and proceed to collect like 12+ ap the following turn?
homeinvasion wrote: league of Legends repeats this process over and over and peeps still buy in. Release a new OP character, wait 6 weeks till the sales go down, hit them with the nerf bat. Seems to work.
Phantron wrote: She's not just slow (though she is). Charged tile is a mechanism that favors the underdog. If you're fighting against a level 395 PvE encounter, does it really matter if you whiffed your Power Surge combo and the opponent picked up 30 AP? No because they can kill your guys with any of their normal moves so it'd hardly matter how much overkill you're taking but a successful Power Surge would greatly increase your odds of winning. But in PvP, I'd hope if you've a maxed Thor then your team is not the underdog. But if your opponent is the underdog then the charged tile favors them. If instead of Thor you're running X Force and you're attacked by a 3* team your team is obviously favored in terms of team strength. Well, your team is still favored running Thor, but a badly used Power Surge can easily turn the game around for the underdog team. On the other hand, using it well doesn't help you much because your team is already favored and should be winning anyway. Now, against X Force, who should be favored over Thor, it doesn't work because X Force's moveset completely dominates Thor's moveset when Thor is the defender. Unless you got a Power Surge before X Force has either X Force or Surgical Strike ready, your defense is just handing a very large amount of AP to the other team after a Power Surge, and your best case scenario would be if a move like X Force merely destroyed all your charged tiles as opposed to collecting a large number of them.
MikeyMan wrote: Half of the Xmen main group already has a fully covered Thor.
gamar wrote: noisnam wrote: homeinvasion wrote: league of Legends repeats this process over and over and peeps still buy in. Release a new OP character, wait 6 weeks till the sales go down, hit them with the nerf bat. Seems to work. yea but league of legends rework on their underpowered old champ and sometimes buff other champ that doesnt see much light. i dont see d3 doing it. in here, they just simply dont care about. You don't see d3 reworking or buffing old champs. Like Xforce.
noisnam wrote: homeinvasion wrote: league of Legends repeats this process over and over and peeps still buy in. Release a new OP character, wait 6 weeks till the sales go down, hit them with the nerf bat. Seems to work. yea but league of legends rework on their underpowered old champ and sometimes buff other champ that doesnt see much light. i dont see d3 doing it. in here, they just simply dont care about.
arktos1971 wrote: Lame Thor needs a buff, not a nerf...
arktos1971 wrote: ark123 wrote: Have you guys actually been playing against her? Have you seen what happens when you let her land her blue on the support and proceed to collect like 12+ ap the following turn? I've just seen that I got far more defensive losses than before with her... She's definitely too slow.
hurcules wrote: arktos1971 wrote: Lame Thor needs a buff, not a nerf... I take it the 4.5 days of 2.5 h grind wasn't worth it?
ark123 wrote: You guys should really include Loki in that "op then nerfed" list because he was by far, so so far, the worst example.
woopie wrote: arktos1971 wrote: ark123 wrote: Have you guys actually been playing against her? Have you seen what happens when you let her land her blue on the support and proceed to collect like 12+ ap the following turn? I've just seen that I got far more defensive losses than before with her... She's definitely too slow. Yup. I'm not proud to admit it, but I lost on that first PVE node with Juggs/goon/hood where they mandated 4 Thor and 2 other folks (2* HT and Cap America I think). I couldn't get any matches for any of their powers and kept getting hit with twin pistols