JUGGERNAUt HEROIC! Sep 12 - Sep 15

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I'm down to just 2* Wolverine on Juggs, but it's all right because I've got twice as much health as him and just need to keep him off red until I can use a power

Lethal Recon TU

Oldboy

dkffiv wrote:

I wouldn't mind this event if not for the fact that tinykitty rosters appear to be having an exponentially easier time than established ones. Jugg and Daken are OP as hell and get off 5-10k damage before LThor can build up enough to kill them. The Hood/Jugg/Muscle node is turning into a 50/50 **** shoot if you can down them all before the muscle gets off a threaten tile, its getting to the point where its not worth attempting it. 2* rosters appear to be breezing through everything.

Pfft.. 2* rosters are not breezing thru it. It's a nightmare. Especially against daken. I think those with hawkeye and obw may be having an easier time but otherwise this pve is a nightmare. I'm wondering if Colossus is actually worth getting. Or if i should stick to pvp to get lazy cap. Even the essential nodes are bad. Anything with lvl 90 Jugs is bad. Add on daken or ares or goons or any character really, is even worse. I've also never seen yelena fire off so many lethal recon until this pve. I mean really, you'd think they reduced her AP in a stealth update or something. .... They didnt did they?

I like a challenge. But this pve is a freakin nightmare. I've had to go Zen a couple of times or i would have gone Hulk Smash

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9 out of 10 of top 10 don't have a maxed Thor, though the guy with the maxed Thor is #1 that has a considerable lead over everyone else.

This event definitely favors the lower roster guys unless you're very determined as a 3* player. For one thing you have to fight every fight with max iso 8 boosts. Some of the fights you might even need AP all boosts. It might sound weird but you're completely outclassed in quality of the team even with a level 256 Thor on your side, because your AP acceleration option dies way too easily against guys scaled against a level 166 character, and the rest of your roster have practically no synergy with Thor whatsoever. Put it this way, I'm willing to take the side of a level 125 Juggernaut against a level 256 Thor in a straight 1on1 battle despite the latter having twice the level, and the rest of the enemy lineup easily beats any of your guys on a 1on1 basis. That includes OBW because while OBW is normally very strong, someone in her HP class gets destroyed way too easily by the Daken and Juggernaut. It'd be the same even if you get to have The Hood on your side, as he'd get tear apart by guys what's arguably the best characters against low HP guys in the game (Daken, Ares, Juggernaut with green pump). I'm sitting somewhere around the 20s and might settle for just one cover, because I absolutely can't justify continue playing this event. This event feels dumb even when everything is going my way because I'm just matching exactly one color (yellow, green, and occasionally purple) and hope I get enough of it to fire off a move, and it's ragequit worthy when things aren't going my way, and that happens a lot of time.

NorthernPolarity

Phantron wrote:

9 out of 10 of top 10 don't have a maxed Thor, though the guy with the maxed Thor is #1 that has a considerable lead over everyone else.

This event definitely favors the lower roster guys unless you're very determined as a 3* player. For one thing you have to fight every fight with max iso 8 boosts. Some of the fights you might even need AP all boosts. It might sound weird but you're completely outclassed in quality of the team even with a level 256 Thor on your side, because your AP acceleration option dies way too easily against guys scaled against a level 166 character, and the rest of your roster have practically no synergy with Thor whatsoever. Put it this way, I'm willing to take the side of a level 125 Juggernaut against a level 256 Thor in a straight 1on1 battle despite the latter having twice the level, and the rest of the enemy lineup easily beats any of your guys on a 1on1 basis. That includes OBW because while OBW is normally very strong, someone in her HP class gets destroyed way too easily by the Daken and Juggernaut. It'd be the same even if you get to have The Hood on your side, as he'd get tear apart by guys what's arguably the best characters against low HP guys in the game (Daken, Ares, Juggernaut with green pump). I'm sitting somewhere around the 20s and might settle for just one cover, because I absolutely can't justify continue playing this event. This event feels dumb even when everything is going my way because I'm just matching exactly one color (yellow, green, and occasionally purple) and hope I get enough of it to fire off a move, and it's ragequit worthy when things aren't going my way, and that happens a lot of time.

How bad is your scaling? My who is this clown is at level 194 right now and I've been able to get away with ~3 health packs for each run through all the nodes off of YR boosting on the right side of the map. I'm finding it soul crushing to grind even for 2 days, but I'm not experiencing the same hopelessness as you are as I'm currently in the top 10 and the position seems maintainable.

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NorthernPolarity wrote:

How bad is your scaling? My who is this clown is at level 194 right now and I've been able to get away with ~3 health packs for each run through all the nodes off of YR boosting on the right side of the map. I'm finding it soul crushing to grind even for 2 days, but I'm not experiencing the same hopelessness as you are as I'm currently in the top 10 and the position seems maintainable.

About the same range as yours, but I don't usually run boosts since I figure they'll eventually phase them out so might as well get used to it (could be waiting for a long time). Of course that's a huge handicap given how hard this is and I probably should be boosting back when the bottom right is still lower level. It's not so much as the wipeouts suck (though they do) but that this feels stupid even when you win because you're just hoping Thor's health outlasts them while you get enough of a single color, and sure at level 256 he will usually win but it might as well be Thor going 1on3 on most of these fights. I can get back to top 10 pretty easily but I'm being to question why even bother because these games aren't even fun when I win, and there's definitely a very good chance I will lose too against the bottom right even with iso8 boosts and HP boosts would result in a massive net loss of HP for covers I don't really care about.

This is the first event I've played where it feels dumb even when you're winning. Usually the events only feel dumb when you start losing, but I was hating this event even before I got wiped out on the last cycle (actually won most of my previous cycles pretty comfortably, probably due to good luck).

dkffiv

NorthernPolarity wrote:

Phantron wrote:

9 out of 10 of top 10 don't have a maxed Thor, though the guy with the maxed Thor is #1 that has a considerable lead over everyone else.

This event definitely favors the lower roster guys unless you're very determined as a 3* player. For one thing you have to fight every fight with max iso 8 boosts. Some of the fights you might even need AP all boosts. It might sound weird but you're completely outclassed in quality of the team even with a level 256 Thor on your side, because your AP acceleration option dies way too easily against guys scaled against a level 166 character, and the rest of your roster have practically no synergy with Thor whatsoever. Put it this way, I'm willing to take the side of a level 125 Juggernaut against a level 256 Thor in a straight 1on1 battle despite the latter having twice the level, and the rest of the enemy lineup easily beats any of your guys on a 1on1 basis. That includes OBW because while OBW is normally very strong, someone in her HP class gets destroyed way too easily by the Daken and Juggernaut. It'd be the same even if you get to have The Hood on your side, as he'd get tear apart by guys what's arguably the best characters against low HP guys in the game (Daken, Ares, Juggernaut with green pump). I'm sitting somewhere around the 20s and might settle for just one cover, because I absolutely can't justify continue playing this event. This event feels dumb even when everything is going my way because I'm just matching exactly one color (yellow, green, and occasionally purple) and hope I get enough of it to fire off a move, and it's ragequit worthy when things aren't going my way, and that happens a lot of time.

How bad is your scaling? My who is this clown is at level 194 right now and I've been able to get away with ~3 health packs for each run through all the nodes off of YR boosting on the right side of the map. I'm finding it soul crushing to grind even for 2 days, but I'm not experiencing the same hopelessness as you are as I'm currently in the top 10 and the position seems maintainable.

Mine's up to 245. I'm skipping Digging Deeper and Goldilocks.

NorthernPolarity

Phantron wrote:

NorthernPolarity wrote:

How bad is your scaling? My who is this clown is at level 194 right now and I've been able to get away with ~3 health packs for each run through all the nodes off of YR boosting on the right side of the map. I'm finding it soul crushing to grind even for 2 days, but I'm not experiencing the same hopelessness as you are as I'm currently in the top 10 and the position seems maintainable.

About the same range as yours, but I don't usually run boosts since I figure they'll eventually phase them out so might as well get used to it (could be waiting for a long time). Of course that's a huge handicap given how hard this is and I probably should be boosting back when the bottom right is still lower level. It's not so much as the wipeouts suck (though they do) but that this feels stupid even when you win because you're just hoping Thor's health outlasts them while you get enough of a single color, and sure at level 256 he will usually win but it might as well be Thor going 1on3 on most of these fights. I can get back to top 10 pretty easily but I'm being to question why even bother because these games aren't even fun when I win, and there's definitely a very good chance I will lose too against the bottom right even with iso8 boosts and HP boosts would result in a massive net loss of HP for covers I don't really care about.

This is the first event I've played where it feels dumb even when you're winning. Usually the events only feel dumb when you start losing, but I was hating this event even before I got wiped out on the last cycle (actually won most of my previous cycles pretty comfortably, probably due to good luck).

I don't think it's as bad as you make it out to be: I mean yeah, Thor's doing all of the damage, but I think it's somewhat fun to try and get in those OBW purple/blue matches when you can, and make hulk tank any big incoming hits with black. I've had a lot more fun thinking during these matches than I have mindlessly X-Forcing everyone to death at the very least.

dkffiv

NorthernPolarity wrote:

I don't think it's as bad as you make it out to be: I mean yeah, Thor's doing all of the damage, but I think it's somewhat fun to try and get in those OBW purple/blue matches when you can, and make hulk tank any big incoming hits with black. I've had a lot more fun thinking during these matches than I have mindlessly X-Forcing everyone to death at the very least.

My hulk just got 1 shot by a 14 green onslaught.

NorthernPolarity

dkffiv wrote:

NorthernPolarity wrote:

I don't think it's as bad as you make it out to be: I mean yeah, Thor's doing all of the damage, but I think it's somewhat fun to try and get in those OBW purple/blue matches when you can, and make hulk tank any big incoming hits with black. I've had a lot more fun thinking during these matches than I have mindlessly X-Forcing everyone to death at the very least.

My hulk just got 1 shot by a 14 green onslaught.

Ouch. Not sure why your scaling is so high, maybe you grinded last PvE a little too hard?

dkffiv

NorthernPolarity wrote:

dkffiv wrote:

NorthernPolarity wrote:

I don't think it's as bad as you make it out to be: I mean yeah, Thor's doing all of the damage, but I think it's somewhat fun to try and get in those OBW purple/blue matches when you can, and make hulk tank any big incoming hits with black. I've had a lot more fun thinking during these matches than I have mindlessly X-Forcing everyone to death at the very least.

My hulk just got 1 shot by a 14 green onslaught.

Ouch. Not sure why your scaling is so high, maybe you grinded last PvE a little too hard?

Doing what I can to stay ahead of the 2* players. Must say Hawkeye + Thor yellow + Hulk anger tiles are causing massive cascade / speed shot combos when it eventually works.

OnesOwnGrief

Just grinded from 850ish to top 20 within an hour. Joining early is clearly not the way to go about it for me it seems. Also, enemy levels were really easy it seemed.

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Sick of this PvE already... It's not only bothersome and health pack consuming, it's boring too. And that you are pretty muc forced to use Falcon while you need to use him in PvP as well is the tiny kitty waggling its behind at us.

dkffiv

Rico Dredd wrote:

Sick of this PvE already... It's not only bothersome and health pack consuming, it's boring too. And that you are pretty muc forced to use Falcon while you need to use him in PvP as well is the tiny kitty waggling its behind at us.

I really wish 1* Storm was super powered so you'd have someone who has any remote synergy with his yellow. Besides Thor or Hulk, any other champ is basically 1 shot when Jugg decides to headbutt.

All the featured heroes should be multiplicatively (rather than additively) scaled to say 200 and let Thor be 250. Currently its champ level +40 for 1* and 2*, +30 for 3* and +90 for Thor. Make 1*s level x5 (level 160 or 200 max for 2/3 covers), 2* x2 (lvl134 or 198), and 3* x1.333 (187 or 221) . Thor can be x1.5 (249). Veterans have more diversity and combos but new players can put up a decent fight with their rosters. Then you can just let all nodes scale linearly for everyone rather than some players getting different levels than others based on their rosters.

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I'm finding that the nodes on the lower right of the map, and maybe the essential with hood on it, are pretty much hit or miss at this point when scaling is this high. Either I get a lucky board and wipe them off with thor's abilities, or get a bad board and get utterly destroyed by their uber-scaled abilities.

P.S. Giving 2* daken chemical reaction is just... evil

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I don't think there's a need to have extra level boosts. This roster is just bad because it picked all the guys who can't synergize with Thor at all. The only move in this roster that's useful against the level you fight at the 3* level that isn't Thor's move is Aggressive Recon. Between Falcon and Hulk you have 0 useful active or passive ability for all practical purposes, because Falcon has no special tiles and Hulk can only tank one color with Thor around. You don't even have some token options like say Psylocke. Bewilderment sucks and Psi-Katana likely don't do enough damage to matter, but at least you can use AP that aren't on Thor's colors. You can't even do a Bird Strike because you'll be better off using AR almost every time.

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flnn1 wrote:

I'm finding that the nodes on the lower right of the map, and maybe the essential with hood on it, are pretty much hit or miss at this point when scaling is this high. Either I get a lucky board and wipe them off with thor's abilities, or get a bad board and get utterly destroyed by their uber-scaled abilities.

P.S. Giving 2* daken chemical reaction is just... evil

Redwing can contain Chemical Reaction quite well.

dkffiv

flnn1 wrote:

I'm finding that the nodes on the lower right of the map, and maybe the essential with hood on it, are pretty much hit or miss at this point when scaling is this high. Either I get a lucky board and wipe them off with thor's abilities, or get a bad board and get utterly destroyed by their uber-scaled abilities.

P.S. Giving 2* daken chemical reaction is just... evil

For Who Is This Clown as long as I managed to deny blue as best as possible, I've managed to keep Hawkeye alive long enough for Thor to get something off. If a tile is about to go off I try to save a black match to get Hulk up front, otherwise Thor usually has enough life to take the hit. If Thor can't afford to take the hit I'll sacrifice Hawkeye, he'll be alive again by the time I need him. The Hood node is nearly impossible, not even worth trying anymore. By the time the hood is dead Jugg has gotten a red or green off and the muscle starts spamming +1k strike tiles. Digging Deeper isn't really worth it as its impossible to deny 7 pink or 5 blue, especially when your match damage is dropped to 1 after Bullseye gets 3 or 4 protect tiles out. All the others seem doable but the essentials are starting to get dangerous as the goons are scaling pretty high.

I was getting pissed when the game classified Goldilocks as Easy yet I was wiping once every rotation.

dkffiv

Phantron wrote:

I don't think there's a need to have extra level boosts. This roster is just bad because it picked all the guys who can't synergize with Thor at all. The only move in this roster that's useful against the level you fight at the 3* level that isn't Thor's move is Aggressive Recon. Between Falcon and Hulk you have 0 useful active or passive ability for all practical purposes, because Falcon has no special tiles and Hulk can only tank one color with Thor around. You don't even have some token options like say Psylocke. Bewilderment sucks and Psi-Katana likely don't do enough damage to matter, but at least you can use AP that aren't on Thor's colors. You can't even do a Bird Strike because you'll be better off using AR almost every time.

If the levels were boosted you wouldn't have to play Thor every node. You could do Wolverine/Iron Man/Falcon. Covers all but black, gives strike and protect tiles, synergizes well. Problem Wolverines level is so low he gets 1 shot by everything, Iron Man is too weak to tank any color and Falcon can't take the hits either. If they were scaled to 200 I think it'd work and it'd give new players a team (though they'd have to swap Falcon for Storm or OBW).

Thor Hulk Hawkeye has some synergy but the problem is Hulk can't tank anything except black.

DrNitroman

I started playing this pve 1h ago.
I earned 20,925 pts in one run... so yeah?

Obviously here, there's a trade-off that the devs have to consider:
it's nice to make a good progression reward reachable easily for everyone. The drawback is that after this reward is reached, there is no more incentive to keep playing

There is still the competition for the ranking of course but I think it's another different game inside the pve.
conclusion: it would be nice to have after the top progression reward (a nice reward for everyone) a 'beyond-the-top' progression reward with a rarer cover. This reward would not been meant to be reach by everyone but only by some grinders who are easily bored on sunday <ahem>

Moon Roach

NorthernPolarity wrote:

Phantron wrote:

NorthernPolarity wrote:

How bad is your scaling? My who is this clown is at level 194 right now and I've been able to get away with ~3 health packs for each run through all the nodes off of YR boosting on the right side of the map. I'm finding it soul crushing to grind even for 2 days, but I'm not experiencing the same hopelessness as you are as I'm currently in the top 10 and the position seems maintainable.

About the same range as yours, but I don't usually run boosts since I figure they'll eventually phase them out so might as well get used to it (could be waiting for a long time). Of course that's a huge handicap given how hard this is and I probably should be boosting back when the bottom right is still lower level. It's not so much as the wipeouts suck (though they do) but that this feels stupid even when you win because you're just hoping Thor's health outlasts them while you get enough of a single color, and sure at level 256 he will usually win but it might as well be Thor going 1on3 on most of these fights. I can get back to top 10 pretty easily but I'm being to question why even bother because these games aren't even fun when I win, and there's definitely a very good chance I will lose too against the bottom right even with iso8 boosts and HP boosts would result in a massive net loss of HP for covers I don't really care about.

This is the first event I've played where it feels dumb even when you're winning. Usually the events only feel dumb when you start losing, but I was hating this event even before I got wiped out on the last cycle (actually won most of my previous cycles pretty comfortably, probably due to good luck).

I don't think it's as bad as you make it out to be: I mean yeah, Thor's doing all of the damage, but I think it's somewhat fun to try and get in those OBW purple/blue matches when you can, and make hulk tank any big incoming hits with black. I've had a lot more fun thinking during these matches than I have mindlessly X-Forcing everyone to death at the very least.

I like being able to mindlessly X-Force everyone to death. I managed to beat my first 166 Sentry / LDaken / Hood combo with my 125 5/5/3 X-Force and a 100 5/2/3 Daken. With a 100 3/5/4 Hulk thrown in just for the points. Though not quite mindlessly, it took 3 green/black boosts and some luck.

But without X-Force that would have been an immediate skip, I wouldn't have even considered going up against it.

He feels massively overpowered, but he's a 4-star that now lets my roster and meagre skills live (a little) with the high-end fully levelled 3-stars and score over 700 points in a PvP.

I could kiss him. If he wasn't a bloke. And fictional.