Stop messing with other characters and nerf CMags already

Spoit

Phantron wrote:

It seems like people hide behind shields all the time and just assume that's the norm. Sure if you run shields that does skew the powerhouse teams when you don't have to worried about being attacked at all, but whenever you're not shielded the Patchneto is like the old Spiderman which is a team you can never attack if their rating is equal or lower than yours because they have 100% certainty to retaliate and win and unlike Spiderman, Patchneto pretty much wins the fastest in non-boosted situation (and it wouldn't really be much slower than Sentry if you max boost since you'd only need one green match to start a Magnetized Particle/Magnetic FIeld + Berserker Rage spam). Sure if you found one that's 200 points higher than you by all means attack it but you should be doing that no matter what the team is. If you don't use shields extensively you're just going to get lighted up by Patchneto teams when they retaliate because they sure won't be losing the retaliation.

Spiderman was never that good on defense before the nerf, and he still made all gameplay without shield a stalemate because a Spiderman team has nearly 100% chance to win a retaliation. And while neither Patch nor Magneto are that great at defense, both are considerably better than Spiderman ever was at defense since Spiderman hard counters himself but no such weakness exists for Magneto or Patch. In terms of a direct damage defensive threat I'd say Patch is only below Sentry/Thor (and maybe Nick Fury but haven't seen him enough to tell), though the dropoff after Thor/Sentry to everyone else for damage dealer is huge so that isn't necesarily saying much about his power.

I disagree, on almost all counts (other than that spiderman was seriously overrated, doubly so on defense).

1. Once you break like 7-800 or so, the zombie hordes will eat you with random maxed teams no matter what you did, and retaliations are hardly the major factor in it. Most of my hits once I put my shield up are people I KNOW I didn't hit. Basically, you're going to be lit up regardless.

2. Sure you can get the blue loop started with only one match (none if you waste a AP all boost), but in terms of actually getting a knock out blow, the WR+ sacrifice combo is probably faster than the patch green+cmags red one. You need 3 green matches for both of them, but unless it's against another patchneto or a 2* team, I'm not sure how safe I'd feel poping patch's strikes with only 4 cmags reds (8 AP) to fire off, since each hit is only a bit more than 1k. And WR animates much faster to boot

3. Sure he does a good chunk of damage as an enemy with his green, but if you can survive the hit, it's like him giving you a present, since the player is way better at getting rid of enemy strike tiles than the AI. And sure his red is probably one of the bigger hits in the game, but when will it ever go off? He might place higher numbers, but in terms of a direct defensive damage threat, punisher and laken, or even someone like psylocke or HT would probably end up doing more damage to you.

over_clocked

I wouldn't be too bothered about Patchneto, as Ice said that Magneto's next after mHawkeye's funbalance and this one is pretty close. Ice confirmed that there will probably be no more 2 red or 0 blue AP 'dirty/shameless/broken' (c) Phantron tricks.
Welcome your Thor/Daken and Sentry/Hood overlords

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saints2death wrote:

Anyone saying Patch and Mags is a liability in PVP is lying sack of tinykitty.

I'm stuck in MMR hell and whenever I see PatchNeto I think to myself "Hey, A TEAM I CAN ACTUALLY BEAT".

Unknown

Its pretty clear that they're taking so long nerfing it because it is largely self correcting in PvP due to the weakness on defense.

IceIX has stated previously that patchneto is common in PvP, but not brokenly so compared to other strong teams. PVE however is another story. Similar to spiderman, this will be to address PVE balance.

I wouldn't be surprised if part of the holdup was to give us more PVE tools in the 3* range, as without things like falcon, she-hulk etc we'd all be using OBW for countdown tile control. PVE balance should be a lower priority as players only experience the negative side of imbalance indirectly, so the priority on this seems appropriate to me.

Unknown

I don't necessarily find Magneto hard to beat on defence but I'd welcome the nerf if only to stop the spammed animations - especially if the AI happens to match the right colours / get a decent cascade.

I often avoid him just because he can drag out a match considerably if the opening board favours him.

atomzed

Budget Player Cadet wrote:

saints2death wrote:

Anyone saying Patch and Mags is a liability in PVP is lying sack of tinykitty.

I'm stuck in MMR hell and whenever I see PatchNeto I think to myself "Hey, A TEAM I CAN ACTUALLY BEAT".

Fully agree. Compared to max sentry/LT, hood and Ldaken, Patchneto is a team I *know* I can beat 90% of the time.

atomzed

Spoit wrote:

I disagree, on almost all counts (other than that spiderman was seriously overrated, doubly so on defense).

1. Once you break like 7-800 or so, the zombie hordes will eat you with random maxed teams no matter what you did, and retaliations are hardly the major factor in it. Most of my hits once I put my shield up are people I KNOW I didn't hit. Basically, you're going to be lit up regardless.

I concur with Spoit points especially at point 1.

At the higher point range of pvp (>800), it really doesn't matter what your defence teams are. If you are worth enough points, you will be hit, even if you have max sentry and ldaken.

In the Starfall pvp, I was getting hit by players running GSBW or IM40 in their teams. It's astonishing bec my defence team was max Ldaken, lthor and a lvl 100 sentry (prebuff). It shows 2 things: the AI is poor enough to lose to a human player running a tier 2 3* team and that people will hit you if you are worth points.

On the topic of nerfing of cmag, I think he should be changed so that there's no more 2Ap spamable ability. But is patchneto really that strong? Sure, they can beat any teams, but as Spoit brings up, they will be devoured by the zombie horde. So it's dependent on how fast they win

Pylgrim

All that people acting all smugly "pfft patchneto is an auto win in defence, if you lose is your fault" think that we cannot read between lines "please, please do not pay attention to this people, please don't nerf my precious magneto, I dunno if I could keep playing without my 30 seconds wins".

Magneto IS broken. Broken in attack and broken in defence. I cannot count the times where I too, thought that I could easily defeat him and one turn before downing him, he gets a stupid cascade, gains 9 purple out of nowhere and downs my Hulk. If you think that upwards of 8k damage for 10 AP is fair, you are just self deluded. It matters not that Magneto is manageable, he is still broken and OP is entirely right in calling D3 on empty promises.

over_clocked

Pylgrim wrote:

All that people acting all smugly "pfft patchneto is an auto win in defence, if you lose is your fault" think that we cannot read between lines "please, please do not pay attention to this people, please don't nerf my precious magneto, I dunno if I could keep playing without my 30 seconds wins".

Magneto IS broken. Broken in attack and broken in defence. I cannot count the times where I too, thought that I could easily defeat him and one turn before downing him, he gets a stupid cascade, gains 9 purple out of nowhere and downs my Hulk. If you think that upwards of 8k damage for 10 AP is fair, you are just self deluded. It matters not that Magneto is manageable, he is still broken and OP is entirely right in calling D3 on empty promises.

Are you, yourself, delusional? Purple is Magneto's only non-broken ability, but yes, having a cheap red and a cheaper than cheap blue is broken, or at least not fitting within the current meta. And yes, I'm sorry, but if you constantly lose to Magneto teams (discounting truly OP characters like Sentry/Thor), you're bad. Really, really bad.
30 seconds wins? Man, these are not possible even with Sentry/Hood/Daken + max boosts. AFAIK Sentry/Hood/Daken take at least 40-45 seconds with all the intro/outro/reward screens. Patchneto may take a good 2-3 minutes to down a team like Hulk + Thor. The best is at least around a minute+ imo (Patch at 5 green). Yes, people will be upset over Magneto nerf just like they were upset over Spidey's nerf. You know why people are afraid of the nerf? Because they are afraid that they won't do him justice and will make him unplayable, just like Spidey.
Btw all this weird complaining about Patchneto teams reminds me of oBW complaining in the old day (too OP! Nerf her nao!). Well, just you wait when all you fight is Thor(Sentry)/Hood/Daken(Fury). Oh, and BP and whatever powerful tanky character there is out there.

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Somebody has anger issues. Put down the match 3 game and GO OUTSIDE.

hurcules

Somehow I think people who complain CMag being OP in PvP do not have a fully functioning CMag yet. All this complaints are borne of frustration of getting Magnetic-Translocated.

Bowgentle

Patchneto doesn't scare me, but I will say that I wiped twice or three times against Sentry/Hood/CMags in Starfall.
Him overwriting your sacrifice tile with his blue, reducing damage to 1 per World Rupture... ugh.
That's more due to Sentry/Hood/LT/UDaken being OP though - I can't justify denying blue when I'm more worried about World Rupture, Sacrifice and Supernova.

Even Spidey gets an honourable mention, him putting down a protect tile on turn 1 completely locks down your win condition. Doesn't mean he's any good overall, though.

Unknown

I use CMags a lot, and I have to admit, every so often I have one of those matches where I use his blue to wipe out the entire opposing team in one turn and I can see where the complaints are coming from. But while his purple is definitely powerful, I don't see it being broken in any way. It's not a power I'll base my whole strategy on like Rage of the Panther or Call the Storm. It's just really handy when I need to take out a high-hp character.

Unknown

How can anyone have trouble facing cmags, he's one of the easiest 3* to beat, his defense sucks balls, if you have so much trouble facing him then get your own to counter, problem solved; on offense I use it mostly on pve, I have no idea how I am going to face lvl 395 enemies without cmags, even with him is hard as hell .

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TheUnwiseOne wrote:

Somebody has anger issues. Put down the match 3 game and GO OUTSIDE.

Boy if I ever took that advice my life would be so much better

Pylgrim

locked wrote:

And yes, I'm sorry, but if you constantly lose to Magneto teams (discounting truly OP characters like Sentry/Thor), you're bad. Really, really bad.

Yeah I admit it, I'm really bad. I don't have my own Patchneto or any other highly regarded combo of full leveled 3*s. How do I (and most other players) dare not spend literal thousands of dollars at the moment of installing the game to have a fully levelled roster. What a bad player, indeed! Everyone knows that money = skill, right?

Sarcasm aside, you need to get off your high horse pal. It is really sweet that you are in a spot where magneto is not problematic to you. But not everyone is in the same boat.

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locked wrote:

Pylgrim wrote:

All that people acting all smugly "pfft patchneto is an auto win in defence, if you lose is your fault" think that we cannot read between lines "please, please do not pay attention to this people, please don't nerf my precious magneto, I dunno if I could keep playing without my 30 seconds wins".

Magneto IS broken. Broken in attack and broken in defence. I cannot count the times where I too, thought that I could easily defeat him and one turn before downing him, he gets a stupid cascade, gains 9 purple out of nowhere and downs my Hulk. If you think that upwards of 8k damage for 10 AP is fair, you are just self deluded. It matters not that Magneto is manageable, he is still broken and OP is entirely right in calling D3 on empty promises.

Are you, yourself, delusional? Purple is Magneto's only non-broken ability, but yes, having a cheap red and a cheaper than cheap blue is broken, or at least not fitting within the current meta. And yes, I'm sorry, but if you constantly lose to Magneto teams (discounting truly OP characters like Sentry/Thor), you're bad. Really, really bad.
30 seconds wins? Man, these are not possible even with Sentry/Hood/Daken + max boosts. AFAIK Sentry/Hood/Daken take at least 40-45 seconds with all the intro/outro/reward screens. Patchneto may take a good 2-3 minutes to down a team like Hulk + Thor. The best is at least around a minute+ imo (Patch at 5 green). Yes, people will be upset over Magneto nerf just like they were upset over Spidey's nerf. You know why people are afraid of the nerf? Because they are afraid that they won't do justice to him and will make him unplayable, just like Spidey.
Btw all this weird complaining about Patchneto teams reminds me of oBW complaining in the old day (too OP! Nerf her nao!). Well, just you wait when all you fight is Thor(Sentry)/Hood/Daken(Fury). Oh, and BP and whatever powerful tanky character there is out there.

"I'm sorry, but if you constantly lose to Magneto teams (discounting truly OP characters like Sentry/Thor), you're bad. Really, really bad."

I just don't get that. I have trouble with Patch/Magneto/Punisher/XXXX combos and I see them constantly. Magento's Purple & Patch's Red are a killer if the opponent has it maxed or leveled high. Does that mean I'm really bad? Then again, you're not taking into account the roster another person has. I don't have any of those high level new characters like Fat-Thor, Punk-Daken, Sentry or Black Panther with 5 Black. I only have 3 maxed out 3 stars; Punisher, Black Widow Grey Suit and Dr Doom. I have a high level Magneto with 5 Blue and Red, but only 1 or 2 purple. My usual team is Punisher or Hulk or BWGS/Magneto/event character. My high level spidey is rarely used anymore.

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Pylgrim wrote:

locked wrote:

And yes, I'm sorry, but if you constantly lose to Magneto teams (discounting truly OP characters like Sentry/Thor), you're bad. Really, really bad.

Yeah I admit it, I'm really bad. I don't have my own Patchneto or any other highly regarded combo of full leveled 3*s. How do I (and most other players) dare not spend literal thousands of dollars at the moment of installing the game to have a fully levelled roster. What a bad player, indeed! Everyone knows that money = skill, right?

Sarcasm aside, you need to get off your high horse pal. It is really sweet that you are in a spot where magneto is not problematic to you. But not everyone is in the same boat.

I totally understand, although I don't think locked meant any harm. It seems that most on this forum just assume that others have several high level 3 stars. If I go into a fight against 3* Magneto w/ Lazy Thor or Patch or Punisher (or insert your nemesis here) and I win, I come out needing to use health packs, usually with a hero or two down.

Deimos12

Pylgrim wrote:

locked wrote:

And yes, I'm sorry, but if you constantly lose to Magneto teams (discounting truly OP characters like Sentry/Thor), you're bad. Really, really bad.

Yeah I admit it, I'm really bad. I don't have my own Patchneto or any other highly regarded combo of full leveled 3*s. How do I (and most other players) dare not spend literal thousands of dollars at the moment of installing the game to have a fully levelled roster. What a bad player, indeed! Everyone knows that money = skill, right?

Sarcasm aside, you need to get off your high horse pal. It is really sweet that you are in a spot where magneto is not problematic to you. But not everyone is in the same boat.

Why should you expect to beat a team of maxed 3 *'s in patch and magneto without a fully levelled team of 3*'s yourself? It's like complaining you can't beat the final boss of an RPG when you're still at level 1.

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dolfanpescao wrote:

How can anyone have trouble facing cmags, he's one of the easiest 3* to beat, his defense sucks balls, if you have so much trouble facing him then get your own to counter, problem solved; on offense I use it mostly on pve, I have no idea how I am going to face lvl 395 enemies without cmags, even with him is hard as hell .

Easier to beat than Loki, Ragnarock, Daredevil, Dr Doom, GWBS, Spidey ?

How can anyone have trouble? Could it be that MMRs regularly pit you against teams that are 50+ levels higher?

Your suggested solution: "Get your own" of any cover isn't that easy.