2AP abilities should be nerfed

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I have a L105 Ragnarok. He has 6528 hp.

How many HP does your L105 Spidey have DumDumDugan have?

I know my L72 Spidey has a touch over 3000 hp, so I'm going to guess that at 105 Spidey's is hardly "low"

Dauthi

DumDumDugn wrote:

Dauthi wrote:

Zathrus wrote:

Dauthi wrote:

To reiterate here is the problem with Rags compared to Spidey/Mags:

The problem is that Ragnarok tops out offensive and defensive. The computer is brainless, so it fits Ragnarok's play style perfectly. This is why people using Ragnarok get avoided and top out in tournaments. Remember, tournaments are a game of hastily gaining shield points while other players take them from you. Every time Ragnarok gets off his 2 ap move, you pray to RNG gods, and because it is so cheap and he has so much HP, he probably going to get at least one. One wrong roll could mean you are getting face smashed every turn, with the possibility of crits etc.

Spiderman will stun my team one at a time as soon as the AI gets blue. And those stuns will last longer and longer. There's a significant danger that I'll end up stun locked within the first few turns if I don't take Spidey out, and while Spidey has "low HP" at L141 that's still over 5000 HP, which is about 3/4 of what Ragnarok has, and beyond any low AP one-shot abilities. Plus if he starts matching purple then those protect tiles are going to neuter my damage, particularly from Rags low-AP, low-damage abilities.

In higher ranks, since Ragnarok's level cap is much lower, gameplay changes with both characters. This is only in the highest ranks though where 3 stars are maxed. The fact is, despite being 30 or so levels above Raganrok, Spidey still only has 3/4ths Rags HP...

I don't understand your argument at all. We're not supposed to talk about Rags and Spidey at their max potential here?

and 5800/7111 is not 0.75. It's 0.81. And his purple skill MORE than offsets that difference FOR HIS ENTIRE TEAM.

When considering balance, wouldn't it be better to go at a ratio (per capita) point rather than considering everyone is maxed? To do otherwise is to not consider all the lower ranks below you, which is pretty much everyone else. The problem is in the lower tiers, which is why you see so many complaints. They are from down below, not up top.

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4352 @ 105. That's at least 5 thunderclaps.

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If you do ratio per capita then like i said Thor and modern storm dominate...your argument is bad.

Dauthi

DumDumDugn wrote:

If you do ratio per capita then like i said Thor and modern storm dominate...your argument is bad.

Yes, and an argument which claims another is bad (and in one sentence) without explaing why is so solid... /sarcasm

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Dauthi wrote:

DumDumDugn wrote:

If you do ratio per capita then like i said Thor and modern storm dominate...your argument is bad.

Yes, and an argument which claims another is bad (and in one sentence) without explaing why is so solid... /sarcasm

I think it's self-explanatory why having Thor and Modern storm at the top of a tier list makes that ranking process bad.

Dauthi

DumDumDugn wrote:

Dauthi wrote:

DumDumDugn wrote:

If you do ratio per capita then like i said Thor and modern storm dominate...your argument is bad.

Yes, and an argument which claims another is bad (and in one sentence) without explaing why is so solid... /sarcasm

I think it's self-explanatory why having Thor and Modern storm at the top of a tier list makes that ranking process bad.

Alright, would you like to hop down and explain to all of us why you think level to level they are individually imbalanced compared to Ragnarok.

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Dauthi wrote:

DumDumDugn wrote:

Dauthi wrote:

DumDumDugn wrote:

If you do ratio per capita then like i said Thor and modern storm dominate...your argument is bad.

Yes, and an argument which claims another is bad (and in one sentence) without explaing why is so solid... /sarcasm

I think it's self-explanatory why having Thor and Modern storm at the top of a tier list makes that ranking process bad.

Alright, would you like to hop down and explain to all of us why you think level to level they are individually imbalanced compared to Ragnarok.

Anybody with experience in RPGs or CCGs understands about grinding for end game and rarity = power. If we balanced a game based on economic efficiency like you suggested then why would anybody move away from good early game characters that are cheap to raise up (like Thor and m.storm)? That would destroy the longevity of this game.

Dauthi

DumDumDugn wrote:

Anybody with experience in RPGs or CCGs understands about grinding for end game and rarity = power. If we balanced a game based on economic efficiency like you suggested then why would anybody move away from good early game characters that are cheap to raise up (like Thor and m.storm)? That would destroy the longevity of this game.

Your previous argument is why. Level caps. Obviously you won't get anywhere with an 85 vs 100+. However balancing level to level will make the game less frustrating (because it's balanced) while you rise to the top tiers so you can obtain characters who have a higher level caps.

Synergy is how you get strong in CCGs. Why can't we have that here too? As your collection increases the different teams you can come up with should be your power, not having one or two characters who stand above them all (again, when levels equal).

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Here's an Idea. Why not have the amount of green tiles created based on the amount of red AP you have?
2ap 2 tiles created
3ap 3 tiles created
ect ect up to max of 5.

That way there is a lot more strategy involved in using it and it's more balanced. So if you want to use it right away at 2 ap you only get 2 greens created where as if you wait till you have 5 or 6 you can still spam it 3 times but you will just get less greens. I await your crying DumDum.

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sms4002 wrote:

Here's an Idea. Why not have the amount of green tiles created based on the amount of red AP you have?
2ap 2 tiles created
3ap 3 tiles created
ect ect up to max of 5.

That way there is a lot more strategy involved in using it and it's more balanced. So if you want to use it right away at 2 ap you only get 2 greens created where as if you wait till you have 5 or 6 you can still spam it 3 times but you will just get less greens. I await your crying DumDum.

How about how many green tiles created based on the amount of green AP you have?

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After playing more with Ragnarok in tournaments where he's not buffed and not the only 3*... I'm fine with him being nerfed. But I want Thor nerfed too. He's way OP compared to IM35.

Spoit

Yeah, unbuffed rag isn't really THAT big a deterent. Plenty of c.storm thor teams are beating me in this doom tourney on the first try

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sms4002 wrote:

Here's an Idea. Why not have the amount of green tiles created based on the amount of red AP you have?
2ap 2 tiles created
3ap 3 tiles created
ect ect up to max of 5.

That way there is a lot more strategy involved in using it and it's more balanced. So if you want to use it right away at 2 ap you only get 2 greens created where as if you wait till you have 5 or 6 you can still spam it 3 times but you will just get less greens. I await your crying DumDum.

One of the more sensible suggestions I've seen, not a total nerf, more a little tweak

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DumDumDugn wrote:

Zathrus wrote:

DumDumDugn wrote:

Was this Ladder or Polkio?

Nemek.

Edit: Oh, Polkio just attacked me. He only has a 112 Rag and 140 Spidey. WIMP!

wow what a slacker, i think hes keeping them low in case the HP recover bug comes back

I dumped 50k isos into spidey but mine's still only 105

Wait wait.. What???

Are you telling me that when my wife attacked you it was with 112 Rag and 140 Spidey ?? Lol

I got Spidey maxed from begining of R43 where Spidey gets his purple skill buffed (I think it was R43) and Rag at 115 level from 3,4 weeks maybe. Health recovering bug is not for me - I got over 140 health packs.

I remember also some times ago when I checked Ladder and Bainee. They have also 140 Spidey and I was also thinking about recover bug. But this is not it, it is just another "defence team" bug

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Polkio wrote:

Are you telling me that when my wife attacked you it was with 112 Rag and 140 Spidey ?? Lol

And an 80s Doom as I recall. Dunno. You never showed up in matchmaking for me again.

Suuure. Blame your wife. Tell her to come over to the forums and see you blaming her and we'll see how it goes for you from there.

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Zathrus wrote:

Polkio wrote:

Are you telling me that when my wife attacked you it was with 112 Rag and 140 Spidey ?? Lol

And an 80s Doom as I recall. Dunno. You never showed up in matchmaking for me again.

Suuure. Blame your wife. Tell her to come over to the forums and see you blaming her and we'll see how it goes for you from there.

hehe

72 Doom, maybe it was somebody different then, I created a bug just in case.

Now, from yesterday, when she is playing she asks questions like : should I attack Shikao... should I attack DumDum.. I give her a free hand in such event like Doom tourney

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Don't know if you guys saw this, but check this out from a week ago.
DumDumDugn posted a picture of my defense team and the levels were wrong.

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Zathrus wrote:

After playing more with Ragnarok in tournaments where he's not buffed and not the only 3*... I'm fine with him being nerfed. But I want Thor nerfed too. He's way OP compared to IM35.

I know this is sarcasm, but as a Thor user, I'm fine with this. He's the best 2-star and wouldn't hurt to be brought down in line with other 2-stars.

Ideally though, I'd want the weaker 2-stars (and 3-stars) buffed instead.

Spoit wrote:

Yeah, unbuffed rag isn't really THAT big a deterent. Plenty of c.storm thor teams are beating me in this doom tourney on the first try

At certain MMRs, everyone has Rags. So it still is a deterent over other team options.

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Misguided wrote:

Don't know if you guys saw this, but check this out from a week ago.
DumDumDugn posted a picture of my defense team and the levels were wrong.

Did not notice that. I created a bug report post for this issue