2AP abilities should be nerfed

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Also GT take a look at this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=831

Most people don't want him nerfed or don't care. And the majority of the ones that do are the ones that don't have him.

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Psykopathic wrote:

Well GT, that whole large paragraph just sounded like non sense tbh. Maybe the problem is you are too close minded too realize any1 else's view and that you could be totally wrong? (Because you totally are) also maybe the reason your getting nowhere is because like you says you keep saying the same thing over n over and expecting it to somehow turn from non sense to correct? You sound like a republican

Okay, I think it is safe to assume that you did not take my advice to read every other post in this thread, so you have almost no say since you, you know, obviously haven't been here since the beginning. Please don't butt into something where you have zero knowledge of what is going on and haven't been following its information.

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GT-47LM wrote:

DumDumDugn wrote:

Ragnarok is barely better than magneto or spidey. Use him outside of DA tourneys and lightning tourneys please.

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I feel like everything I say and anything every other person has said about Ragnarok has gone over your head. You have made no apparent progress at all and are still defending Ragnarok on how he isn't overpowered, continually comparing him to spidey and mag when they are completely different and less powerful than him, even though they aren't even a part of this whole argument that you and I are having. You don't even want to look at the numbers and continue to neglect that his generating 5 green tiles to the board with only 2 AP isn't a problem, only going in circles and avoiding the problem at hand. I don't really want to respond to this thread anymore because apparently their is no point in doing so, with me repeating and repeating the same thing with you going in a different direction and coming back with the same argument every time, but I probably will continue, just because I can't help myself. I really hope you aren't trying to troll because I have had the feeling that you were since the beginning because your logic and understanding don't make sense, but I know you are not. If you could just look at the facts that everyone has been making, I would be so happy, but it looks as if that is not possible. Oh well.

What are you talking about.

Spider-Man and Magneto are better than or equal to Rag. Almost every top level player will agree to this.

Just because Rag have a good rapport with 2-3 characters doesn't he is over powered.

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I don't even bring Ragnarok into PVE events, i'd rather take Spidey, Mag, and whoever is buffed.

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@Dum, yeah purple was a bad thought maybe black then. The idea was to give him more fun options and reduce green cascades.

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DumDumDugn wrote:

Also GT take a look at this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=831

Most people don't want him nerfed or don't care. And the majority of the ones that do are the ones that don't have him.

What a surprise, everyone who has a overpowered character that makes the game easy doesn't want him nerfed.

Theres way more people agreeing with my POV than yours lmao

Why is it that people who want him nerfed, like myself, bring in information and evidence to back their claim on why he needs to be nerfed, but people who don't want him nerfed just simply say that he isn't overpowered? How does that make sense? And why does it matter if misinformed people follow one side over the other? They don't contribute anything to the debate.

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Frozen wrote:

GT-47LM wrote:

DumDumDugn wrote:

Ragnarok is barely better than magneto or spidey. Use him outside of DA tourneys and lightning tourneys please.

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I feel like everything I say and anything every other person has said about Ragnarok has gone over your head. You have made no apparent progress at all and are still defending Ragnarok on how he isn't overpowered, continually comparing him to spidey and mag when they are completely different and less powerful than him, even though they aren't even a part of this whole argument that you and I are having. You don't even want to look at the numbers and continue to neglect that his generating 5 green tiles to the board with only 2 AP isn't a problem, only going in circles and avoiding the problem at hand. I don't really want to respond to this thread anymore because apparently their is no point in doing so, with me repeating and repeating the same thing with you going in a different direction and coming back with the same argument every time, but I probably will continue, just because I can't help myself. I really hope you aren't trying to troll because I have had the feeling that you were since the beginning because your logic and understanding don't make sense, but I know you are not. If you could just look at the facts that everyone has been making, I would be so happy, but it looks as if that is not possible. Oh well.

What are you talking about.

Spider-Man and Magneto are better than or equal to Rag. Almost every top level player will agree to this.

Just because Rag have a good rapport with 2-3 characters doesn't he is over powered.

Magneto and Spidey are definitely good characters, I never said they weren't. I would have them in my team as well if I had them.

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GT-47LM wrote:

Psykopathic wrote:

Well GT, that whole large paragraph just sounded like non sense tbh. Maybe the problem is you are too close minded too realize any1 else's view and that you could be totally wrong? (Because you totally are) also maybe the reason your getting nowhere is because like you says you keep saying the same thing over n over and expecting it to somehow turn from non sense to correct? You sound like a republican

Okay, I think it is safe to assume that you did not take my advice to read every other post in this thread, so you have almost no say since you, you know, obviously haven't been here since the beginning. Please don't butt into something where you have zero knowledge of what is going on and haven't been following its information.

Or obviously your just making ASSumptions because I've been playing this game at least as long as you since I've been playing since release and I've been following thread since beginning. Your just being a whiny hypocrite because we're better at debating and your just good at being foolish

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GT-47LM wrote:

Frozen wrote:

GT-47LM wrote:

Magneto and Spidey are definitely good characters, I never said they weren't. I would have them in my team as well if I had them.

You said they are not as good as Rag. They are better.

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Psykopathic wrote:

GT-47LM wrote:

Psykopathic wrote:

Well GT, that whole large paragraph just sounded like non sense tbh. Maybe the problem is you are too close minded too realize any1 else's view and that you could be totally wrong? (Because you totally are) also maybe the reason your getting nowhere is because like you says you keep saying the same thing over n over and expecting it to somehow turn from non sense to correct? You sound like a republican

Okay, I think it is safe to assume that you did not take my advice to read every other post in this thread, so you have almost no say since you, you know, obviously haven't been here since the beginning. Please don't butt into something where you have zero knowledge of what is going on and haven't been following its information.

Or obviously your just making ASSumptions because I've been playing this game at least as long as you since I've been playing since release and I've been following thread since beginning. Your just being a whiny hypocrite because we're better at debating and your just good at being foolish

Wow, I don't even know where to begin with you. Not only do you throw insults and bring in your fantasies into your reply, you are completely delusional as to what is going on. Please don't make things up and try to use them in a conversation again, especially with an argument only an elementary student would use. What is this, middle school?

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Frozen wrote:

GT-47LM wrote:

Frozen wrote:

GT-47LM wrote:

Magneto and Spidey are definitely good characters, I never said they weren't. I would have them in my team as well if I had them.

You said they are not as good as Rag. They are better.

As support, yes, but Ragnarok isn't support, his powers are meant to cause destruction to the board and the enemy team. He is what you get from fighting the final boss at the end of the game, and then making him playable while retaining all of his boss-like attributes.

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I'm sorry that I have an extreme hate for stupidity and can't help but say something when people like you radiate. Call them insults if you want. I call them truths.

And as for your last point you just made our point. He's a tank and not support which is why "less experienced " people view him as better.

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Psykopathic wrote:

I'm sorry that I have an extreme hate for stupidity and can't help but say something when people like you radiate. Call them insults if you want. I call them truths.

And as for your last point you just made our point. He's a tank and not support which is why "less experienced " people view him as better.

Can you please reply to this

"I can't believe this conversation is still going on. The reason why people who have maxed rags don't want him nerfed is not because they paid for it (not the main reason,) but because they want matches to be incredibly easy so that their is no skill involved. Nobody pays much attention to mags or spideys 2 AP power because it isn't as game breaking as Ragnaroks. Ragnarok is the most spammable and damaging character when it comes to a damage:AP ratio. I would without a doubt rather fight a team with a maxed mag or spidey than a team with a 2 AP rag. Go a few matches without your maxed rag to fight a maxed one and see for yourself how hard and annoying it'll be to fight him. 6 red AP for more than 3,000 damage combined with multiple match 4 and 5 tiles on almost every row, helped with critical tiles and any other team member with a strong green power, you're maxed 3* character is already dead without even using one single power."

and this

"Your calculation is incorrect. At max level, a red strike is minimum 620. You underestimate the additional damage from getting matching >3 green tiles and the cascade effect. It easily go into thousands when you consider >5 gets use the critical hit bonus.


My take would be 620*6=3720 + a very conservative number of 1000 points for matching/critical bonus/chains = 4720.
And lets not forget that >3 green tiles clear the whole row, which can yield you more red, meaning you can have more than 6 attacks

Now let’s count the greens.
6 red attacks yield 5 green tiles. So easily you will max his green powers to 30AP. Which means 5 green strikes
That is around 350*5 = 1750. However this is a very low number. With 6 red strikes – you would definitely earn more than 30 greens because of all the matches. If this was a 1v1 PVP, once the green AP is almost maxed out, you will stop the Red strike and do a few greens. Then go back to red strikes, collect more greens.
So let’s consider a very conservative 12 additional greens, which means 2 more green strikes adding another 750.
And we have not counted all the possible matches we get by getting new tiles in the 2 center rows

So the minimum damage for 12 red AP would be 4720 + 1750 + 750 = 7220

That kills Magento off and then some"

I would really like to know your thoughts on it, it can also somewhat bring you up to speed on this thread, with it mostly summarizing main points.

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How does bringing numbers into this argument somehow validate your POV? I can do it too.

Mag can do like 10,000 damage (i dont know the exact number as mine is not LVL 141 yet) with 10 purple. He can do infinite damage with only 5 blue. Not to mention instantly generate a ton of environmental power by cascading a crit tile into environmental match-3 (especially if hes paired with a boosted hero). Instant forest/fire or narrow alley >>>>>>>>> thunderclaps.

Spidey can generate a protect tile for over 400 (probably can go higher but this is the highest i've seen thus far, playing against a 141 spidey) with 1 purple match, and can stun ragnarok for 21 turns with 12 blue.

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GT-47LM wrote:

Can you please reply to this

"Ragnarok is the most spammable and damaging character when it comes to a damage:AP ratio."

Completely false.

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Damage:AP belongs to magneto, followed by grey widow.

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Misguided wrote:

GT-47LM wrote:

Can you please reply to this

"Ragnarok is the most spammable and damaging character when it comes to a damage:AP ratio."

Completely false.

Oops, I meant usefulness:AP

Usefulness meaning how much of a difference a low amount of AP can make for your team, in a positive way.

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DumDumDugn wrote:

How does bringing numbers into this argument somehow validate your POV? I can do it too.

Mag can do like 10,000 damage (i dont know the exact number as mine is not LVL 141 yet) with 10 purple. He can do infinite damage with only 5 blue. Not to mention instantly generate a ton of environmental power by cascading a crit tile into environmental match-3 (especially if hes paired with a boosted hero). Instant forest/fire or narrow alley >>>>>>>>> thunderclaps.

Spidey can generate a protect tile for over 400 (probably can go higher but this is the highest i've seen thus far, playing against a 141 spidey) with 1 purple match, and can stun ragnarok for 21 turns with 12 blue.

One number compared to a thought out problem with various variables is the difference the numbers make, it's not just a "thrown out" number.

You'll run out of blue by the second match and you only gain an incredible amount of environmental AP through your character being boosted, it also isn't easy getting a crit tile between two environmental tiles, it'll only be possible it the two tiles were on the very bottom row and if you can a few blues lining up correctly vertically, in the same row as the environmental tiles. I already answered your spidey argument a few posts back.

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DumDumDugn wrote:

Damage:AP belongs to magneto, followed by grey widow.

Then Storm

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GT-47LM wrote:

DumDumDugn wrote:

How does bringing numbers into this argument somehow validate your POV? I can do it too.

Mag can do like 10,000 damage (i dont know the exact number as mine is not LVL 141 yet) with 10 purple. He can do infinite damage with only 5 blue. Not to mention instantly generate a ton of environmental power by cascading a crit tile into environmental match-3 (especially if hes paired with a boosted hero). Instant forest/fire or narrow alley >>>>>>>>> thunderclaps.

Spidey can generate a protect tile for over 400 (probably can go higher but this is the highest i've seen thus far, playing against a 141 spidey) with 1 purple match, and can stun ragnarok for 21 turns with 12 blue.

One number compared to a thought out problem with various variables is the differences the numbers make.

You'll run out of blue by the second match and you only gain an incredible amount of environmental AP through your character being boosted. I already answered your spidey argument a few posts back.

How do you run out of blue? It's self sustaining.