True Healing Discussion (Live 6/25)

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BlupoUNC wrote:

My current Steam review, which I will completely erase/edit/change as soon as the game has been fixed to allow players to once again play when they want, how they want, with whatever characters they want.

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/7656 ... ded/234330

And... so you don't think I'm just another nut out there running his mouth. My current stats = 166 hrs last two weeks / 1,706 hrs on record.

Yeah. PLEASE FIX THIS GAME.

A once loyal, and hopefully loyal in the future, fan,

-B

Uprated your review. I suggest other Steam players do the same and ensure these reviews become top listed. Get the word out.

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Bloody Sky wrote:

"Go do something else or play another game until your heroes heal or until your medpacks come back.". Yes, I realize this is an option, but it shouldn't be one, is what I'm am getting at. I will go play another game, thanks. But it will be another games instead of this one. I won't even bother to come back now, since there is no point. I won't score high enough in events anymore anyways, since I don't have a lot of high level characters. This game is a waste of time now. But then again, I guess the same can be said about all vidya games. Still, I'll "waste my time" in another game from now on.
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I decided to "go do something else" and then not come back to the game. Uninstalled it.

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mohio wrote:

DaveyPitch wrote:

We are NOTHING to D3, except a bunch of wallets and purses to be bled dry as fast and as deep as possible. We're not a community. We're not valued customers. We're cash cows. I think the sooner we all realise that the better off we'll all be.

I think this is a bit overblown. While yes, the developers are trying to make money, which gives all of their changes ulterior motives, there is still a lot stake (financially) for them to make the game fun.

Oops! Guess someone there didn't get the memo!

mohio wrote:

So, I tend to believe IceIX when he says HE THINKS (or devs think, whatever) this change will be good for the game and promote/foster roster diversity (also: money).

Dunno, he didn't look that dumb on the forums. My base theory is he knows all too well it's all **** but obviously his job descr. not allows to expose that and has his pants full. Pretty common.

mohio wrote:

Just because a change might be better for their bottom line, doesn't necessarily mean that is the sole intent of the change or that it will make the game worse (for instance they might be making more from people buying even more roster slots from placing top 100 PvP at an earlier stage in their roster development (since previously only top 50 gave covers), yet that has been pretty widely praised as a "player-friendly" change).

IMO its impossible for this change to bump the bottom line measured in 1 month period, it will cause a significant drop. Though it may actually increase the APRDU or whatever a bit as those who linger on might spend more on average.

The sole intent need not be to riun the game, enough if it just happens as collateral chasing some made-up metric.

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pasa_ wrote:

ThatOneGuyjp189512 wrote:

i'm not really sure if anyone's noticed this, but the fact that they added 50 extra HP to the progressives tells me that they want you to spend your extra 50HP(now actually reachable with a 2* roster!) on health packs to keep going on your climb....the timing can't be a coincidence

Good luck with doing PVP using a single extra pack the 50 gets you

Although it IS kind of weird that we think nothing of spending 150-300 HP to place in PvP but spending 50-100 to place in a PVE seems OUTRAGEOUS

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In pvp for the most part you can control your placement. In pve cause of rubber banding it's a **** shoot

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h4n1s wrote:

Heh. I think it works as intended. Browsing different matches in current PvP I suddenly see more variety than just BW/THOR/ARES combo. Frankly I enjoy it more this way. It's only very seldom that I play more than 1 hour in a row, so the health packs suffice as I have no problem exchanging ARES for HULK or WOLVIE for THOR etc. for temporary period of time...

Wild guess: you didn't see a single OBW, right? How about comparing to last hollowpoint?

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Oletheos wrote:

In pvp for the most part you can control your placement. In pve cause of rubber banding it's a **** shoot

True

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I haven't played the game for about two days and I'm not planning to load it up any time soon. Not because of PvE healing is gone but because PvP healing is also gone with it. Not that I was playing too much PvP but I decided I don't wanna put up with the **** changes anymore and my time is spent better somewhere else.

h4n1s

pasa_ wrote:

h4n1s wrote:

Heh. I think it works as intended. Browsing different matches in current PvP I suddenly see more variety than just BW/THOR/ARES combo. Frankly I enjoy it more this way. It's only very seldom that I play more than 1 hour in a row, so the health packs suffice as I have no problem exchanging ARES for HULK or WOLVIE for THOR etc. for temporary period of time...

Wild guess: you didn't see a single OBW, right? How about comparing to last hollowpoint?

Hey, I am not that stupid, I know that OBW is locked when GSBW is must in roster. What I am saying is, that there's way much less THOR/ARES combo (accompanied with GSBW) and therefore bigger variety of foes... It almost never happened to me that I encountered maxed Bullseye or Moonstone or similar character standing against me in PVP. Today I met them few times already... Is it because of the heal nerf?

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gamar wrote:

pasa_ wrote:

ThatOneGuyjp189512 wrote:

i'm not really sure if anyone's noticed this, but the fact that they added 50 extra HP to the progressives tells me that they want you to spend your extra 50HP(now actually reachable with a 2* roster!) on health packs to keep going on your climb....the timing can't be a coincidence

Good luck with doing PVP using a single extra pack the 50 gets you

Although it IS kind of weird that we think nothing of spending 150-300 HP to place in PvP but spending 50-100 to place in a PVE seems OUTRAGEOUS

HUH? I recall the shields intro, most brain-using players figured out in matter of hours that it is good economy to use them. And just carried on -- returning to the problem only when prices got doubled.

I'm sure people would be all too happy to spend 100HP in pve to ensure 2-3 *** covers if such spend was possible actually. TMK it doesn't. Those who relied on 2 hour intensive play sessions would need not 1 health pack now but a few dozens probably. Per session. And you need a count of sessions for the full event.

Jim_MatriX_cz

However, in Events, we continually buff different characters, and outside of Heroics, still allow for characters to be used that aren't buffed. What we want players to do is to play with the breadth of their roster instead of using Spider-Man or Black Widow as necessary crutches and only building 3 other characters. This change is intended to result in exactly this as players see that they can't just rely on in-battle healing and look for other ways besides spending Health Packs to continue playing. We want you to keep playing on your own schedule. We want you to play with multiple characters. Doing so keeps players on their toes and making them think of character combinations that they wouldn't otherwise go with if they weren't forced out of their single set of heroes.

I am surprised they didn't come with hero use limitation:-))
For example - you can use OBW / Spidey only for 5 matches/24 hours:-)))
...then, they can keep healing as it was;-)

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I think there will be a brief period of people tinkering with their rosters followed by a new normal, which will probably focus on 3 areas:

1) Regenerators
2) Speed kills
3) Defense tiles

I'm guessing that - once things settle down, the new normal will feature about the same level of variety as the before, and maybe less. ISO is simply too hard to get in large amounts for most people to suddenly start using a more diverse roster unless they already were doing it.

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h4n1s wrote:

Hey, I am not that stupid, I know that OBW is locked when GSBW is must in roster. What I am saying is, that there's way much less THOR/ARES combo (accompanied with GSBW) and therefore bigger variety of foes... It almost never happened to me that I encountered maxed Bullseye or Moonstone or similar character standing against me in PVP. Today I met them few times already... Is it because of the heal nerf?

Probably, but don't rush with judgement, it's early stage and you see the old equivalent of tank teams. Also restricted to low points. At higher points those teams will be dropped down to nothing in no time. So if you plan to go over 300...

And little above you'll see patch/daken teams almost exclusively.

A change like this requires time for the metagame to adjust -- then you're back with the usual non-diversity with whatever works best in the new environment. Enjoy the roar till it lasts.

Also I consider most of folks, old and new just laze out this event for good or use it for wild experiments, are you eager to get another DD cover? Wait for meaningful analysis for the next serious tournament with wanted prizes.

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I used to be able to play as much as I wanted. Sure it involved some grinding, but it was my choice. Now I can only play a few matches at a time and as a result I'm entering less events, and earning a lot less rewards.

'Game over, man! Game over!'

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DaveyPitch wrote:

I honestly don't see why this thread is still going. It's no longer relevant. It's not a discussion. A discussion usually involves input from both sides, with both sides able to try to convince the other side that their opinion is the right one. There isn't any two-way dialogue here. D3 have made a decision, and even though 99% of the forum disagrees with it (as well as a lot of new members who seem to have signed up just to voice their disapproval), they've gone ahead with it regardless. If we ever needed more proof from D3 that our opinions means absolutely nothing to them, this change has shown that most eloquently.

We are NOTHING to D3, except a bunch of wallets and purses to be bled dry as fast and as deep as possible. We're not a community. We're not valued customers. We're cash cows. I think the sooner we all realise that the better off we'll all be.

Why, it never was "discussion" in the original sense just like the spiderman changes thread. And naturally it's going on, 2 days ago everyone made the predictions on what will happen, now can report how they came true.

Can you point a single forumer who thought even for a moment that D3 will not go ahead with this ****? It would be an iteresting poll to measure how much chance people think it gets rolled back within next month or seriously altered -- that may still be a double digit figure.

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Rusalka wrote:

kaepamerica7 wrote:

i play with and also fight against more diverse teams

Really? Where? I did several sessions in Simulator today, trying to get a sense of how this new system will work, and I'm still seeing the same line-ups I always see. Including OBW on most ** teams. Maybe if I did a systematic statistical study I'd see a slight uptick for various versions of Daken and Wolverine, but they have always been commonly-used characters anyway, so it's not much of a change.

In training you'll see the old teams for much time, probably till the end as most people will not use it anymore leaving their last team on def.

orionpeace

If they were TRULY serious about roster diversity being the objective with this healing change, then it would have been accompanied by at least a 20% increase in ISO acquisition.

We didn't see that. Which means that wasn't really their intent at all. Because at the current rate and prices ($) you are forced to a limited roster with wicked SLOW progression unless you are willing to drop hundreds of dollars. Cause $50 won't even fully level up a 2* Character. That is absurd.

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pasa_ wrote:

gamar wrote:

pasa_ wrote:

ThatOneGuyjp189512 wrote:

i'm not really sure if anyone's noticed this, but the fact that they added 50 extra HP to the progressives tells me that they want you to spend your extra 50HP(now actually reachable with a 2* roster!) on health packs to keep going on your climb....the timing can't be a coincidence

Good luck with doing PVP using a single extra pack the 50 gets you

Although it IS kind of weird that we think nothing of spending 150-300 HP to place in PvP but spending 50-100 to place in a PVE seems OUTRAGEOUS

HUH? I recall the shields intro, most brain-using players figured out in matter of hours that it is good economy to use them. And just carried on -- returning to the problem only when prices got doubled.

I'm sure people would be all too happy to spend 100HP in pve to ensure 2-3 *** covers if such spend was possible actually. TMK it doesn't. Those who relied on 2 hour intensive play sessions would need not 1 health pack now but a few dozens probably. Per session. And you need a count of sessions for the full event.

With rubberbanding there's really no reason to spend on health packs before your final push, and if you need more than 15 health packs (100 HP worth) in your final push you were spending too much time in prologue to place anyways

Tharos

Do you feel tricked by their "oh look, we heared you, we are extending the pvp 3* rewards. We even made a sale, if you want to thanks us by giving us your money. Thanks a lot! Now we can tell you: you won't be able to play more than 1 hour because we screwed up everything you liked. Thanks again for your purchase" ?

As I could not count on CS to handle refund, I asked Google via their interface for this. They made the refund in the next hours.

D3/demiurge, you can take back the HP, I didn't even had the time to spend it between the sales and this mess. Never again I will buy something from you games, as I will never know if I can play at my own pace the day after my purchase.

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gamar wrote:

(snipped)...if you need more than 15 health packs (100 HP worth) in your final push you were spending too much time in prologue to place anyways

100HP worth? Try 400 HP worth, and that's assuming you had the 5 to begin with.

What prologue was very useful for was the quick "I'm only 1500 HP down; it's not worth a health pack" runs. The loss of prologue healing means that you have to use health packs in borderline situations or wipe out more often; either situation drains health packs faster. I did prologue healing runs in the last ten minutes of PVEs to keep placement and had it work fine. Not frequently, but it was helpful knowing it was there, and that I had that option in a pinch if the match went south.