Flo98 GIPSY_DANGER Electro. and the X-Men are Cheaters

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thefated1 wrote:

Call me nieve or what but I have not seen any Xmen cheat and I stand firm that we are NOT cheaters

Der_Lex

KevinMark wrote:

clf_02 X3 wrote:

I have the perfect solution. I think the DEV's need to get an agreement with both the s.h.i.e.l.d. Leaders and X-men leaders. They need to agree the DEV's start and investigation inradiately. If X-men are found cheaters ban every single one of us in all 5 alliances. If X-men are not found cheaters. Ban every single player in s.h.i.e.l.d. That is only fair outcome since s.h.i.e.l.d.'s leaders have continually let thier members slander us on an open forum.....so agreement???

The constant shaming from certain members shouldn't go unnoticed. Usually these things are not discussed on forums and rather reported via tickets, PMs or whatever. Those people should be made to stop somehow and this thread should be locked, again. Like I said before in previous threads. Obviously mods are taking a side on this, not locking this thread. Maybe admins are hoping more information will come out about the situation in the thread.

This would be treating the symptom instead of the disease. The current hostile situation on the forums is, if anything, the result of a lack of communication and a perceived lack of action on the developers' part. Sure, there are people on both sides of the argument fanning the flames, but the fire wouldn't be there in the first place if D3 didn't give the impression that they're not handling the situation seriously or effectively enough.

If people receive no response to tickets that they send in, it's not surprising that people will express their frustrations in a more public manner, in a desperate attempt to get the attention that they feel they aren't getting. Likewise, when it seems to take forever before known cheaters are actually disposed of (like watercat), it is also not surprising that frustrations will continue to rise.

More transparency from D3 would help a lot. Whether they're willing or even able to deliver that (they seem to have a very small team, especially as far as community management is concerned) remains to be seen. But as a former volunteer mod of a video game company's forum myself, I know that some issues need direct intervention from devs to fan the flames, and mod crackdown will only escalate the situation further. Especially since I get the impression that the mods here lack the ability to temp ban problem users that I had.

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Lol ban someone for not cheating but because someone has perceived someone's opinion as slander. If someone is vindicated or not vindicated it should end there surely. I think d3 should work on actual single player game content and freshen up PVP and PVE. Of course they need to deal with cheaters but right now I find the game stale and couldn't care if someone is spending silly amounts if hp or cheating. Give me fresh content

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Didn't IceIX specifically say these threads are inappropriate and locked the last one with another mod agreeing? On other forums blatantly reposting a locked thread is banworthy. Not from the game, but from the forums.

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Budget Player Cadet wrote:

KevinMark wrote:

The constant shaming from certain members shouldn't go unnoticed. Usually these things are not discussed on forums and rather reported via tickets, PMs or whatever. Those people should be made to stop somehow and this thread should be locked, again. Like I said before in previous threads. Obviously mods are taking a side on this, not locking this thread. Maybe admins are hoping more information will come out about the situation in the thread.

I don't think it's unreasonable. What I find most distressing about this situation is that anyone is still defending these guys. 2k without cheating is completely impossible.

Well, I'm not defending anybody. I'm talking about something entirely different than cheating.

Der_Lex wrote:

...If people receive no response to tickets that they send in, it's not surprising that people will express their frustrations in a more public manner, in a desperate attempt to get the attention that they feel they aren't getting. Likewise, when it seems to take forever before known cheaters are actually disposed of (like watercat), it is also not surprising that frustrations will continue to rise.

I get that but two wrongs don't make a right.

beemand2g wrote:

Lol ban someone for not cheating but because someone has perceived someone's opinion as slander. If someone is vindicated or not vindicated it should end there surely. I think d3 should work on actual single player game content and freshen up PVP and PVE. Of course they need to deal with cheaters but right now I find the game stale and couldn't care if someone is spending silly amounts if hp or cheating. Give me fresh content

Banning is not the only action that could have been taken. Notice "could have been". I agree it is too late to do anything now. This is the second thread that is let to run amok with accusations and personal attacks. Ideally these threads should never exist. The administration of this forum should have taken enough measures to prevent it imho.

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Goobady wrote:

Didn't IceIX specifically say these threads are inappropriate and locked the last one with another mod agreeing? On other forums blatantly reposting a locked thread is banworthy. Not from the game, but from the forums.

IceIX and several mods have read this thread and acknowledged it elsewhere. If they wanted it closed, they would close it. Their actions through prior course of dealing create the reasonable belief that this thread and the handful of others are allowed.

TLDR: If they didn't think your alliance was cheating, this would have been shut down yesterday. Happy weekend!

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KevinMark wrote:

This is the second thread that is let to run amok with accusations and personal attacks. Ideally these threads should never exist.

When your supreme leader Nazerith183 was running amok with insults and personal attacks, you guys just kept schtum. Now caught with your pants down, you abandon the "ain't-no-cheat-just-mad-skillz-yo" line and decide it's time to play white knights of forum decorum?

You X-men bunch are good value for a laugh. I'll give you that.

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I'm not in any alliance. I quit mine (ETC) some time ago.

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Well if this is your desperate try out for x-men you're doing a terrible job.

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I either play a game in PvP or not and play the nodes once in PvE if I'm in the mood. So yeah, I bet X-men would want me.

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KevinMark wrote:

I'm not in any alliance. I quit mine (ETC) some time ago.

Sorry, my bad. I thought you were an ex-men. Turns out you're not! Why then would you.. why..whut.. *mind blown*.

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Lycra wrote:

KevinMark wrote:

I'm not in any alliance. I quit mine (ETC) some time ago.

Sorry, my bad. I thought you were an ex-men. Turns out you're not! Why then would you.. why..whut.. *mind blown*.

I have seen things like this happen in other gaming forums and it never turns out well for anyone. I mean for either of the sides and people uninvolved. I might get some more down votes for this post but I feel like that had to be said.

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KevinMark wrote:

Lycra wrote:

KevinMark wrote:

I'm not in any alliance. I quit mine (ETC) some time ago.

Sorry, my bad. I thought you were an ex-men. Turns out you're not! Why then would you.. why..whut.. *mind blown*.

I have seen things like this happen in other gaming forums and it never turns out well for anyone. I mean for either of the sides and people uninvolved. I might get some more down votes for this post but I feel like that had to be said.

I couldn't agree more, but no action being taken until someone speaks up is not ideal either.


And I do have a question here to the deve.
what if cheating is actually involve player A, B.

PlayerA is using a 3rd party software to cheat. B does not use any of those software but leeching off player A advantages gained.
If punishment to A is sandboxing, what punishment will B get? or will there be a punishment to B?

mohio

lickfurjr wrote:

And I do have a question here to the deve.
what if cheating is actually involve player A, B.

PlayerA is using a 3rd party software to cheat. B does not use any of those software but leeching off player A advantages gained.
If punishment to A is sandboxing, what punishment will B get? or will there be a punishment to B?

While I understand where you are going, plenty of legit players decided they would find Flo, Electro, and Gipsy_Danger every time they unshielded and queue them up for the 50 points available (edit: partly to try to punish them and have them lose points if possible). Do these people get punished for piggybacking off the cheaters simply for using normal game mechanics? Even if there were members expressly colluding, how do you distinguish between them and another player not in on it, but happened to fight those guys a handful of times?

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Let's try this.

Psykopathic, you are a reputable player, along with many others in your alliance. Please, answer these questions: are there actually some undisclosed techniques only known to you x-men that you all use to score high? Are they so powerful to get to 2000 points? Are they divulged to every x-men as both Nazerith and his wife/girlfriend/lawyer have implied more than once? Or are they known only to a chosen few?

I'm not asking what these techniques are, mind you, only if they exist.

I hope Nazerith doesn't forbid you from replying.

rawl316

Wait, so these xmen alliances, is it like 20 people playing 5 different games??

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Can someone explain exactly what kind of cheating is happening here? Are you saying they must be hacking in HP because there is no way they spend that much? Are you saying they are 1hit KOing because AP Boosted Sentry/Daken takes under a minute to kill and that is still too long? I hear a lot of claims of cheating but be more specific about what you think they are doing to get to 2k that is different from what all the legit people like Reckless do to get to 1500?

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Goobady wrote:

Can someone explain exactly what kind of cheating is happening here? Are you saying they must be hacking in HP because there is no way they spend that much? Are you saying they are 1hit KOing because AP Boosted Sentry/Daken takes under a minute to kill and that is still too long? I hear a lot of claims of cheating but be more specific about what you think they are doing to get to 2k that is different from what all the legit people like Reckless do to get to 1500?

All of the above appears to be the accusations, its not just that the points system is somewhat simplistic

mohio

Goobady wrote:

Can someone explain exactly what kind of cheating is happening here? Are you saying they must be hacking in HP because there is no way they spend that much? Are you saying they are 1hit KOing because AP Boosted Sentry/Daken takes under a minute to kill and that is still too long? I hear a lot of claims of cheating but be more specific about what you think they are doing to get to 2k that is different from what all the legit people like Reckless do to get to 1500?

So I'm only on day 133 or something, so you can discount my opinion based on that if you want. The way I see it, it's practically impossible to get to 2000 consistently without having essentially infinite HP (or wasting thousands in shields each time, completely absurd for a F2P match-3 game). Here's some math for you:

I'm going to assume these guys can legitimately get to 1300 without shield hopping at all (which doesn't seem likely, but whatever, that's where I'm going to start the maths). If you're not using a OHK cheat, you can maybe get 25 points per shield hop (again, a pretty generous assumption, but let's just say they're hitting each other somehow over and over) once you're that high, plus it seems like they do one match and then reshield. That's 700 points from 1300 to 2000, or 28 shield hops. Since they start early and probably have to sleep at least some, I'll assume one of these hops is the 8 hour variety. So, that's 29*75 or 2175 HP. If we continue the math session, we see there are 3 PvP per week, so that's 6525 HP per week, which is just not sustainable for anyone and frankly idiotic for someone to spend their own money on just for the increased e-peen of being first all the time.

As for the OHK accusation - there's at least one account of Flo98 hitting someone twice in the span of 2 or 3 minutes, which people much more experienced than myself find unreasonable, so I tend to agree with them that something is a little shady there. As for the others (Gipsy/Kakko and Electro./Qamberco), since they are all exhibiting the same behavior it is easy to throw the same accusations at each of them. While that may be unfair to them, I think it's a natural human tendency so I'm not going to hold it against anyone for doing that.

The other thing I think worth pointing out. I don't think anyone really cares what alliance these guys are in, they are cheaters first and foremost, and just so happen to all be part of the x-men family of alliances. It's only notable because they're all in the same alliance so people are kind of ganging up on that alliance and assuming the worst of them and their leader (who doesn't help his own case any). If they were all still in their old alliances and putting up the same scores, we would still be doing the same thing (since cheaters are just not welcome here), but leaving the x-men out of it.

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Mohio, please explain how 7000hp or less per week is unsustainable? Large amounts of currency bought in sales, or even at regular prices would make this about £20-£25 per week, which is pittance with a full time job. I spent far more than that on console gaming as a hobby in high school.

Edited rather than double posted:
Also I'm pretty sure this is the first time they've acheived over 2000 points, they seem to sustain around 1300-1500 on a regular basis