Flo98 GIPSY_DANGER Electro. and the X-Men are Cheaters

over_clocked

Well, you couldn't run Hood in Category-5 with both Daken and Sentry, so he's out of the equation. I wonder if the strat fails to work in Webslinger due to enemy protect tiles or if it's made to seem so :>

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World Rupture won't trigger Anger without Sacrifice unless you have 3 Phermone Rages. The only way it can go wrong against Hulk is if you destroyed your Sacrifice tile in a cascade from World Rupture halfway through the attack, and that's just a risk you got to take. If one is really paranoid, you can simply avoid Hulk.

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locked wrote:

Well, you couldn't run Hood in Category-5 with both Daken and Sentry, so he's out of the equation. I wonder if the strat fails to work in Webslinger due to enemy protect tiles or is it made to seem so :>

Maybe they wanted to see if it could be done. Now that they did it, not much point in doing it again, unless someone beats their score.

They might have burned through their stash of HP. Who knows if they earned it in game or budgeted it from rl earnings.

Maybe saturday is their sabbath. Or because its saturday, they have rl plans otherwise.

Its possible that mo.storm was essential to their strategy. Mistress of the elements cleans up the board real well.

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Those ultra high point scores need more than one guy to pull it off so it's quite possible whoever participated the first time sees no need to do it again with the lead they've built up.

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Phantron wrote:

World Rupture won't trigger Anger without Sacrifice unless you have 3 Phermone Rages. The only way it can go wrong against Hulk is if you destroyed your Sacrifice tile in a cascade from World Rupture halfway through the attack, and that's just a risk you got to take. If one is really paranoid, you can simply avoid Hulk.

Hmmm. You might have helped me figure something out. When using hood to trigger countdown tiles during the turn, the tiles do not cascade. The board is held in place until all the countdowns at 0 activate. Then the tiles drop into position.

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Emeryt wrote:

I love all this math which I don't understand anyway. Blah blah blah match green and yellow blah blah blah one shot whole team.

Possible? Yeah, totally.

Fast? Yeah.

That fast? No.

Take into consideration:
1. 2-3 boosts animations (+3All, +3green, +3yellow)
2. Daken's 1-2 animations (depending on his health / the amount of blue on the board)
3. 2 Sentry animations
4. Let's say 10 countdown tiles animations. + possible cascades. ANYONE who ever hit Hulk with all they got but failed to kill this green MF will know how long it takes.

I just did a fight against max spidey / hulk / sentry on a poor board. Took about 8 turns to get one yellow & one green match, got some red meanwhile. Only 8 rupture tiles survived so a very angry hulk left standing with 3k health, but supernova finished him off and I still had daken blue in reserve if needed. So very do-able with a bad board and still less than 90 seconds.

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So the voice died down when they find a lots of member in the big leagues involve..
Way to go..
d3 really need to give us an explanation. what u gonna do with cheaters. what we normal players can do when suspected someone cheat and what in game behaviour gives them away

Because that 5 point heart exploding techique get meself so itchy, I just want to know if nothing is going to happen
??

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So I said I would give this entire multi-thread subject one post, but this #2 has a purpose.

Actually, all it would take is disallowing alliance members to attack eachother....arguably something that should probably have not been allowed anyway (and usually isn't allowed in game like this for those very same exploitable reasons). Months ago, pre-alliance, when progress rewards were too hard ppl.talked cordially about hopping over eachother's shields to reach rewards. During the no holes barred....err...no holds barred events where you have to pay an event fee (elite) ppl were basically doing the same thing...but not coordinating.with eachother cuz ...enemies. if all they are doing is exploiting some poor planning by d3 ppl saw months ago but nobody said anything because nobody was willing to dump hp so cost ineffectively as an order...well then its finally time for d3 to patch that. To which d3 will pause and say "wait what? Why would we patch something that allows ppl.to.give us more money for no reason? You crazy Jackie...you crazzaaay." (Sorry iceIX...I know you wanted to be Mr. chan and not Chris tucker in that Exchange).

That means ppl should still send a ticket, to make sure its real.hp being spent, but if it is real hp then I don't see the issue (its not officially a punishable exploit In my book unless it requires illegal modification of the game or has been.stated to be illegal but has yet to be patched...otherwise its in a very mucky grey area called "business")...and still don't see why the bickering is needed. As far as I understand jozier nor anybody else is defaming anybody until proof to the contrary is shown....but this game has always been p(l)ay to win the moment they added shields. Double attacks happen (triple=90% chance of cheating unleashed you are just really really slow). And while unreasonable if I saw such high points constantly, 2k is plausible (albeit very questionable and very inefficient) given multiple ppl coordinating doing the same thing (given.how shields work).


Side note: with so many lawyers supposedly here why has nobody taken issue with ppl throwing around the idea that anybody is slandering anyone here? First off, this is clearly libel. Second, its needs proof of being incorrect (why FOX news CNN ESPN and TMZ aren't bankrupt by now) as well as that it caused harm and didn't have proper research. The first nobody has yet, the second ...its a GAME PPL, the third .... I feel enough research on possible theories for how they could do it is done. Generally speaking, for defamation, burden of proof is on the person being defamed. Having ppl unwilling to talk.about it means xmen has no ability to say ppl cannot say things until d3 were to post an open statement (meaningvisible by all) to the contrary (which is why I agreed with that other thread asking for.an inquiry...as it pally is in xmen's best interest). I also believe, while not helpful really, ppl are posting in anger and not maliciously.

On the other hand, pretty sure naming names multiple times fits squarely inside the no-no zone for the forum rules, which is a vaguely binding contact. Especially when I assume certain ppl know the devs are not around on late friday-early Monday...meaning its not like d3 has seen these posts. Send a ticket, and if you must should have posted this late Sunday early Monday. Stir the pot but don't let it boil...

So I guess my take home here is:

-mention in the suggestion section and/or VIA a ticket to disallow interalliance battles.
-if you want, send a ticket to.check.whomever you want
-lodge complaints about sentry. His green should activate all at once.
-defamation laws, learn em sucka (sorry, I saw an A team episode today).
-And ONE MOOE TING. go watch a cop.comedy (or Jackie Chan adventures...either way) and help move away from caring so much. Save that embolysim waiting to.happen for something a little more important (like having the ending of a new movie ruined for you...like at the end of edge (or was it end?) of tomorrow t...I am not a ****. I wouldnt go and tell you that h.... no I wouldn't do that)


Minipoll: I am hungry. 5 am pizza, leftover wings (assume buffalo), or grill a steak in the dark? For context, I grill/marinade a mean steak. Luckily I kill it first so it doesn't bite.... ....

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DA_STALKER wrote:

Iceix,

Thanks for letting us what's goin' on (even if it's blurry. At the same time, situation is so serious - enough to ruin the game -that you have to take the necessary time to solve everything).
...
You said there are cheaters in every big alliances ? I'm real interested, as 5 Deadly Venoms is top 2 til the beginning. Well, was, til this corrupted event.

For starters, nothing NEW happened in the last couple of days (not counting the mod mistake of clicking "sticky" in place of "close" The game is exactly as ruined by cheats and exploits as it was 3 months ago or before the alliances or before the rosters got visible. Though admittedly CS response used to be faster fro the most blatant cases.

Ice did not say there are cheaters in other alliances, he said the FLAGS they use instead of actual counter-cheat measures apply to people there.

My current wild guess is that with the increased server problems they probably lost lots of logs or turned the logging massively down -- so people just don;t have enough info to tell many kinds of cheater activity really.

Quite a shame but devs grew hide tougher than a rhino so are resistant to that element.

As for the rest I don't hold my breath, most that we can realistically expect is to get a couple people sandboxed in the upcoming days -- but no retroactive consolidation of the state and importantly no real measures to prevent the next wave, including same people starting over under new name right ahead. (Guess the original idea of sandbox was exactly to buy some time until the cheater figures he's out of the real game, since alliances it no longer works as that element is not emulated.)

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Spoit wrote:

Just because they don't audit the individual moves doesn't mean that they don't necessarily collect statistics. After all, their main decision method is spreadsheeting

It pretty much does mean that. As sending over the full game replayable on the server and be 100% sure it was a genuine play would take about as much work as collecting aggregates of it, we can safely bet it doesn't happen really. Leaving them with only info like game length in time.

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Phantron wrote:

But you don't need super fast wins if you keep all your retaliations within people you know. If you never attack anyone outside of your own inner circle, then you don't have any outstanding retaliations, so the only window of opportunity is whether someone else not part of your plan queued you up while you're unshielded. If your potential attackers aren't in the same PvP bracket as you, they wouldn't even know when you unshielded and even if they did catch that, they'd still have to cycle through their own list quickly enough to find the unshielded guy on time. While this also applies to the circle themselves, they obviously know when each other is unshielded and should have a much easier time finding each other.

I see that half of my shield hops are getting attacks -- and it's around puny 950. Not from retals but from fresh. With pretty fast play, comparable to the snatry-stuff that I estimate pretty long on the timer due to all the excessive anims and other ingame delays.

At those high points you should get nailed way more in my estimate.

Retals are only interesting for the primary climb to 900ish, irrelevant as soon as hopping starts IME.

Dreylin

soenottelling wrote:

-mention in the suggestion section and/or VIA a ticket to disallow interalliance battles.

Except that in this era of multi-alliances, all they would have to do is have 1 player in each of the sub-alliances and then collect them up at the end. That can't be stopped without significant reworking of the alliance leaving/joining system.

Colognoisseur

locked wrote:

I would like to see a video of such a match, just to know if it's real and possible without any actual cheats/exploits, and actually doable in 90% of matches against Hulks and LTs. Colog or some of the SHIELD maybe?

I can confirm boosted < 60 second kills with Sentry/Daken boosted +3 g/b r/y and all. Hulk and LT the bigger they are the harder they fall; they are no problem with world rupture sacrifice daken tiles.

I can also do the same thing with Sentry/Fury and LT/Fury appropriately boosted.
There are two other lineups I use which also give me <60 second kills.
It is not just Sentry or Daken there are others.

Boosts are what allow the lightning quick wins, with a good board I can take down any team in three to four matches plus activation of abilities in the correct order.
With a bad board maybe eight to nine matches and that pushes a minute to complete.

My bottom line on the logistics of this is if a set of players can coordinate hitting off of them selves for 25 points a match and are willing to spend the iso and hp for boosts and shields then 2000 is doable but at a significant cost in resources which seems crazy even to the whale.

Does this look suspicious to me? Yes. But I believe it could be done for a ridiculous cost in resources and impeccable coordination.
I am willing to let the devs sort this out to be fair to all parties without a rush to judgement on my part. They have the real data and they will sort this out.

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Dreylin wrote:

soenottelling wrote:

-mention in the suggestion section and/or VIA a ticket to disallow interalliance battles.

Except that in this era of multi-alliances, all they would have to do is have 1 player in each of the sub-alliances and then collect them up at the end. That can't be stopped without significant reworking of the alliance leaving/joining system.

The only sensible solution is to limit how many times a player can attack another named player in a given period of time OR until they have attacked X other different players. Something like you can only hit someone 3 times before you've to attack 5 other players OR you can only attack them 3 times in a period of 3 hours for example. Would also need to ensure a retal node is greyed out if it's got someone you've attacked too many times.

Otherwise you can just leave the alliance at the start of an event and bundle yourselves back in before the end.

Colognoisseur wrote:

locked wrote:

I would like to see a video of such a match, just to know if it's real and possible without any actual cheats/exploits, and actually doable in 90% of matches against Hulks and LTs. Colog or some of the SHIELD maybe?

I can confirm boosted < 60 second kills with Sentry/Daken boosted +3 g/b r/y and all. Hulk and LT the bigger they are the harder they fall; they are no problem with world rupture sacrifice daken tiles.

I can also do the same thing with Sentry/Fury and LT/Fury appropriately boosted.
There are two other lineups I use which also give me <60 second kills.
It is not just Sentry or Daken there are others.

Boosts are what allow the lightning quick wins, with a good board I can take down any team in three to four matches plus activation of abilities in the correct order.
With a bad board maybe eight to nine matches and that pushes a minute to complete.

My bottom line on the logistics of this is if a set of players can coordinate hitting off of them selves for 25 points a match and are willing to spend the iso and hp for boosts and shields then 2000 is doable but at a significant cost in resources which seems crazy even to the whale.

Does this look suspicious to me? Yes. But I believe it could be done for a ridiculous cost in resources and impeccable coordination.
I am willing to let the devs sort this out to be fair to all parties without a rush to judgement on my part. They have the real data and they will sort this out.

I posted a thread a while ago about how you could beat any team in 4 turns with Sentry + Daken + boosts so I agree. Although there is time for animations of boosts, pheremone rage, sacrifice and world rupture which drag on somewhat limiting how quickly you can actually do it without a speed hack.

It does mean you are spending a LOT of HP per pvp event between shields and +all boosts and a fair bit of ISO on individual boosts so the main question is, would anyone spend LEGITIMATELY bought HP and potentially ISO (you make a net ISO loss per game) on doing that? I think most ppl's argument is it's much more likely someone would cheat than spend money on scoring 2k which gets them nothing of any neccessity or value.

Colognoisseur

bonfire01 wrote:

Colognoisseur wrote:

locked wrote:

I would like to see a video of such a match, just to know if it's real and possible without any actual cheats/exploits, and actually doable in 90% of matches against Hulks and LTs. Colog or some of the SHIELD maybe?

I can confirm boosted < 60 second kills with Sentry/Daken boosted +3 g/b r/y and all. Hulk and LT the bigger they are the harder they fall; they are no problem with world rupture sacrifice daken tiles.

I can also do the same thing with Sentry/Fury and LT/Fury appropriately boosted.
There are two other lineups I use which also give me <60 second kills.
It is not just Sentry or Daken there are others.

Boosts are what allow the lightning quick wins, with a good board I can take down any team in three to four matches plus activation of abilities in the correct order.
With a bad board maybe eight to nine matches and that pushes a minute to complete.

My bottom line on the logistics of this is if a set of players can coordinate hitting off of them selves for 25 points a match and are willing to spend the iso and hp for boosts and shields then 2000 is doable but at a significant cost in resources which seems crazy even to the whale.

Does this look suspicious to me? Yes. But I believe it could be done for a ridiculous cost in resources and impeccable coordination.
I am willing to let the devs sort this out to be fair to all parties without a rush to judgement on my part. They have the real data and they will sort this out.

I posted a thread a while ago about how you could beat any team in 4 turns with Sentry + Daken + boosts so I agree. Although there is time for animations of boosts, pheremone rage, sacrifice and world rupture which drag on somewhat limiting how quickly you can actually do it without a speed hack.

It does mean you are spending a LOT of HP per pvp event between shields and +all boosts and a fair bit of ISO on individual boosts so the main question is, would anyone spend LEGITIMATELY bought HP and potentially ISO (you make a net ISO loss per game) on doing that. I think most ppl's argument is it's much more likely someone would cheat than spend money on scoring 2k which gets them nothing of any neccessity or value.

I don't disagree with you on the cost of it all and that is what makes it suspicious to me, too. Again only the devs know how much these guys have in HP and iso and if they did this it should be pretty easy to match cost of boosts and healthpacks used versus those acquired through $$$ and in game earning. If there is a significant disconnect then the sandbox awaits a few new members.

Dirchicake

So based on what I've read so far here's what I gather:

1). There is no concrete proof of cheating.
2). They are spending a lot on HP.
3). This game clearly has a p2w structure.
4). It is possible to finish a match in > 60 seconds.


How is this thread still alive?

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Dirchicake wrote:

So based on what I've read so far here's what I gather:

1). There is no concrete proof of cheating.
2). They are spending a lot on HP.
3). This game clearly has a p2w structure.
4). It is possible to finish a match in > 60 seconds.


How is this thread still alive?

1. Correct
2. Correct
3. Correct
4. Correct

How is this thread still alive? Who the fk knows. Haha

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Psykopathic wrote:

Dirchicake wrote:

So based on what I've read so far here's what I gather:

1). There is no concrete proof of cheating.
2). They are spending a lot on HP.
3). This game clearly has a p2w structure.
4). It is possible to finish a match in > 60 seconds.


How is this thread still alive?

1. Correct
2. Correct
3. Correct
4. Correct

How is this thread still alive? Who the fk knows. Haha

Me me! I know! Because here's a lesson for you (free!): possibility does not equal probability. Most of us believe it's within the realm of possibility for flo to obtain the scores he did. But the odds are sooo miniscule, surely some doubt is warranted.

So Psyko and co., pull your head out of the sand, and deal with reality. No problem with believing that Flo isn't a cheater. But to think there isn't a reason for this thread is pretty silly. Haha

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Lycra wrote:

Me me! I know! Because here's a lesson for you (free!): possibility does not equal probability. Most of us believe it's within the realm of possibility for flo to obtain the scores he did. But the odds are sooo miniscule, surely some doubt is warranted.

So Psyko and co., pull your head out of the sand, and deal with reality. No problem with believing that Flo isn't a cheater. But to think there isn't a reason for this thread is pretty silly. Haha

Nah - this thread is not primarily about whether or not anyone cheats. It started because Jozier's a **** and there's a bunch of sore losers out there (sorry getting bored of being polite when folk don't want to listen)

Lock the thread & we can all move on......

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Lycra wrote:

Psykopathic wrote:

Dirchicake wrote:

So based on what I've read so far here's what I gather:

1). There is no concrete proof of cheating.
2). They are spending a lot on HP.
3). This game clearly has a p2w structure.
4). It is possible to finish a match in > 60 seconds.


How is this thread still alive?

1. Correct
2. Correct
3. Correct
4. Correct

How is this thread still alive? Who the fk knows. Haha

Me me! I know! Because here's a lesson for you (free!): possibility does not equal probability. Most of us believe it's within the realm of possibility for flo to obtain the scores he did. But the odds are sooo miniscule, surely some doubt is warranted.

So Psyko and co., pull your head out of the sand, and deal with reality. No problem with believing that Flo isn't a cheater. But to think there isn't a reason for this thread is pretty silly. Haha

I don't see how you get that I have "my head in the sand". Pretty sure I've been bringing up logical points and have been very up front about my opinions. You on the other hand, are hardly bringing any productive conversation to any of the threads. You, with ur lil buddies jozier and arktos, have done nothing but insult people and instigate arguments and drama. Feel free to hop down off your high horse and "join reality" as you would say.