Psykopathic wrote: Dirchicake wrote: So based on what I've read so far here's what I gather: 1). There is no concrete proof of cheating. 2). They are spending a lot on HP. 3). This game clearly has a p2w structure. 4). It is possible to finish a match in > 60 seconds. How is this thread still alive? 1. Correct 2. Correct 3. Correct 4. Correct How is this thread still alive? Who the fk knows. Haha
Dirchicake wrote: So based on what I've read so far here's what I gather: 1). There is no concrete proof of cheating. 2). They are spending a lot on HP. 3). This game clearly has a p2w structure. 4). It is possible to finish a match in > 60 seconds. How is this thread still alive?
Bugpop wrote: Dirchicake wrote: So based on what I've read so far here's what I gather: 1). There is no concrete proof of cheating. 2). They are spending a lot on HP. 3). This game clearly has a p2w structure. 4). It is possible to finish a match in > 60 seconds. How is this thread still alive? 1. There is enough to warrant suspicion. 2. Some people are fairly thrifty, and have a decent chunk of HP saved. While it may not be prudent someone might think it to be worth it to make such an achievement. 3. This game is less pay to win and more pay to have the convenience of not having to wait. That might help you win but it doesnt really do much to guarantee it. 4. We know you meant < 60 seconds. It's important to note that it's possible to regularly win matches in less than 60 seconds. Thats different from a possible, but unlikely situation. Some of us are trying to understand the situation better. Your allies have made their mark by scoring as high as they have. This is going to be discussed because it's such an incredible score. People will talk about how they did it, whether its possible without cheating, and whether or not it should be possible without cheating.
Lycra wrote: Psykopathic wrote: Dirchicake wrote: So based on what I've read so far here's what I gather: 1). There is no concrete proof of cheating. 2). They are spending a lot on HP. 3). This game clearly has a p2w structure. 4). It is possible to finish a match in > 60 seconds. How is this thread still alive? 1. Correct 2. Correct 3. Correct 4. Correct How is this thread still alive? Who the fk knows. Haha Me me! I know! Because here's a lesson for you (free!): possibility does not equal probability. Most of us believe it's within the realm of possibility for flo to obtain the scores he did. But the odds are sooo miniscule, surely some doubt is warranted. So Psyko and co., pull your head out of the sand, and deal with reality. No problem with believing that Flo isn't a cheater. But to think there isn't a reason for this thread is pretty silly. Haha
mikeydollar7 wrote: Bugpop wrote: Dirchicake wrote: So based on what I've read so far here's what I gather: 1). There is no concrete proof of cheating. 2). They are spending a lot on HP. 3). This game clearly has a p2w structure. 4). It is possible to finish a match in > 60 seconds. How is this thread still alive? 1. There is enough to warrant suspicion. 2. Some people are fairly thrifty, and have a decent chunk of HP saved. While it may not be prudent someone might think it to be worth it to make such an achievement. 3. This game is less pay to win and more pay to have the convenience of not having to wait. That might help you win but it doesnt really do much to guarantee it. 4. We know you meant < 60 seconds. It's important to note that it's possible to regularly win matches in less than 60 seconds. Thats different from a possible, but unlikely situation. Some of us are trying to understand the situation better. Your allies have made their mark by scoring as high as they have. This is going to be discussed because it's such an incredible score. People will talk about how they did it, whether its possible without cheating, and whether or not it should be possible without cheating. The title of this thread is somewhat at odds with your perfectly reasonable comments bugpop
Dirchicake wrote: Lycra I understand the necessity for the thread. Some people are calling foul. That's their right. What I don't get is 100 people piling on without adding anything. There is plenty of "proof" on both sides. If someone discovers actual proof, I hope they all get kicked and sandboxed. Until then this just looks like a salem witch hunt due to sour grapes.
Goobady wrote: Sorry after pages and pages of insults, thread titles like this, and being told what I know is possible is impossible I got a bit condescending. Maybe if people who claim to be the best at this game didn't beg us for hundreds of posts for our strategy we wouldn't feel the need to be.
TheUnwiseOne wrote: Goobady wrote: Sorry after pages and pages of insults, thread titles like this, and being told what I know is possible is impossible I got a bit condescending. Maybe if people who claim to be the best at this game didn't beg us for hundreds of posts for our strategy we wouldn't feel the need to be. Maybe if your "ALMIGHTY GOD WITH AN I.Q. OF 183 " didn't insult people in 90% of his posts, spouting such "classics" as child abuse and suicide, then others would be more pleasant. I've seen others joking with him, and for someone who can "apparently take a joke" he sure does stoop to some sick degrading words to make a point. He wasn't banned for no reason. If he acted like a decent human being, others would too.
Dirchicake wrote: Suspicion? Yes. Statement of fact? No. Many people in here have made definite statements, not accusations. Lots of MUST be cheating not MIGHT be cheating.
Lycra wrote: Dirchicake wrote: Lycra I understand the necessity for the thread. Some people are calling foul. That's their right. What I don't get is 100 people piling on without adding anything. There is plenty of "proof" on both sides. If someone discovers actual proof, I hope they all get kicked and sandboxed. Until then this just looks like a salem witch hunt due to sour grapes. Well, I agree. For some time now, I've been playing the wait-and-see game. What can be said has been said several pages ago; and there isn't going to be new information that would change anyone's mind on anything. I jump in now and again when I see the X-men posting arrogant nonsense and being flippant about the community's opinions - like clf_02 (or sth), psyko's inane response to your post, and Goodbady's latest post (just as i'm typing this out). Just as you guys can't understand why forumites need to resort to blind accusations and insults when trying to discuss the issue of Flo's scores, I don't understand why the X-Men often cannot defend themselves without resorting to arrogance and condescension. And trust me, this isn't about sour grapes. SHIELD was top for a long time, no one accused them of cheating. It would be so groundless as to be dismissed immediately. We just recognised they were good players. No one's begrudging any alliances their win. Even when the community took issue with 5DV's swapping, not once did we cry "sour grapes". Instead, we explained our way of doing things, and was quite transparent with our motivations and actions. The reason we're crying foul isn't because of sour grapes, but because it really looks like foul play from some angles. And that's surely understandable, even if disagreed.
Dirchicake wrote: Let's play the probability, possibility game here to then. Is it possible that the complaints aren't sour grapes? Yes. Is it probable that they are? Yes. Again, I welcome scrutiny to any alliance, ours or not. If there are cheaters I hope they are kicked. Based off what I've seen they aren't. Their strats have been discussed here and that still isn't good enough. For every one of you that has reasonable discourse with us, there are ten people who just wag. That's why I think this thread should die. If people want action keep flooding the devs with tickets.
Goobady wrote: TheUnwiseOne wrote: Goobady wrote: Sorry after pages and pages of insults, thread titles like this, and being told what I know is possible is impossible I got a bit condescending. Maybe if people who claim to be the best at this game didn't beg us for hundreds of posts for our strategy we wouldn't feel the need to be. Maybe if your "ALMIGHTY GOD WITH AN I.Q. OF 183 " didn't insult people in 90% of his posts, spouting such "classics" as child abuse and suicide, then others would be more pleasant. I've seen others joking with him, and for someone who can "apparently take a joke" he sure does stoop to some sick degrading words to make a point. He wasn't banned for no reason. If he acted like a decent human being, others would too. Maybe Naz spouts insults 90% of the time because 90% of the time he is responding to a thread full of insults directed at the alliance he's worked hard to put together and win with. We see thread after thread of people like jozier, arktos, etc... flaming us and calling for everyone to hate us and calling for devs to sandbox our whole alliance and yea, maybe he comes into threads like that in a bad mood and doesn't feel like responding politely. Why is the burdon of ettiquite squarely on his shoulders and not on the dozens of flames before he shows up?
jozier wrote: FYI Naz has been hated for far longer than this last week (which is when I posted my threads). Naz is an **** and that has nothing to do with accusations of cheating. Hop off his nuts for a second and you'll see that.
nazerith wrote: I don't really do this bickering thing in public not my style I keep my cool about me, that's why you don't ever hear anything about me or my alliance. With that said best of luck to you hope you are able to swap 20k to take over our first place spot in season 1. I really don't care because soon no amount of swapping will help. I hope your squad does well I really do, I just care about how your people feel, I've actually had to ban people talking bad about you, don't need negativity around my men. With that said this will be my last public rebuttal, if you care to continue this pm me. People have better things to do then read gossip and bickering. Keep up the good fight.