Flo98 GIPSY_DANGER Electro. and the X-Men are Cheaters

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reckless442 wrote:

If the other X-Men were jumping in points at the same time and were only rising in 25-30 pt increments, that would possibly be the explanation. That is not the behavior we saw earlier. People were paying attention. Flo98, Electro, and GIPSY were going in turns, and other people were searching for them to appear in their nodes so we would have high-value targets. We knew when they were unshielded. Flo98 had to be winning multiple battles and not losing any. Also, when you do that on a schedule, other people figure that schedule out -- and time their attacks accordingly. And GIPSY was ahead at the time, so he should have been rising in smaller increments. Moreover, using Sentry to win those battles does damage to your own team, so that also means they have to be spending HP not just on shields and covers, but also on health packs.

Plus, we have reports of Flo98 defeating AlexC's team in a LR twice during one of his matches. Flo98 was using Sentry/Daken and a loaner GSBW, no CMags. Yet it's possible to win reasonably fast using Sentry/Daken and boosts, but not so fast, queue the player again, beat them again, and have both notifications appear before AlexC comes out of his fight. After people posted about Flo98 doing that, he did not compete in another LR.

You raise good points, and I admit that I wasn't personally watching these players' shield activities, as the three main X-Men weren't in my bracket. As a result, I can't speak to whether these players were using my proposed strategy; I can only say that I think the strategy would work, and if there is one, there may be others.

I will say that schedules can be adjusted and shifted with good communication, and you could still maintain at 50-100 score gain per hour.

That being said, of course it's possible (maybe even likely) that these players were cheating. The point of my post is merely to point out that such scores could be achieved without cheating, and it wouldn't be terribly difficult with the right group of people and rosters (and of course, the willingness to spend over 1000HP to do it).

I'm off, but I'll check back later tonight.

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GRAB YOUR PITCHFORKS BOYS

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Ghast wrote:

Yeah, I see the first one. 100-person alliance with weekly turnover and not one upset or disillusioned player is coming by to talk about it?

Second flaw - "waits 20 minutes"

Yeah, how is it that they go through so many players. At least 2 of the members called out earlier are nowhere to be seen now (the ones with similar names).

Bacon Pants

What if they're mostly D3 employees? Because that would be **** hilarious.

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If I've learned anything from this thread its that the devs don't care enough to read the forums that are there to help support their livelihood. If they did they would at least say 'knock it off you knuckleheads' to the op(s) for breaking forum rules. (Not that I care about the forums rules regarding this ever so entertaining thread.)

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IceIX wrote:

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As for the recent cheater thing with X-Men, I'm going through each of them personally to figure out what's going on there. There *were* a couple that got caught out by our auto-cheat filter, a couple more that were noted for cheating otherwise, and some that are completely legit. But I'll dig deeper in any case. And to say that, there are a few people in almost *every* major Alliance that get caught by the above, so it's not necessarily that these guys are some cabal of cheaters out there.

Ducky

Emeryt wrote:

PM:

IceIX wrote:

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As for the recent cheater thing with X-Men, I'm going through each of them personally to figure out what's going on there. There *were* a couple that got caught out by our auto-cheat filter, a couple more that were noted for cheating otherwise, and some that are completely legit. But I'll dig deeper in any case. And to say that, there are a few people in almost *every* major Alliance that get caught by the above, so it's not necessarily that these guys are some cabal of cheaters out there.

And the plot thickens!

Spoit

Emeryt wrote:

PM:

IceIX wrote:

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As for the recent cheater thing with X-Men, I'm going through each of them personally to figure out what's going on there. There *were* a couple that got caught out by our auto-cheat filter, a couple more that were noted for cheating otherwise, and some that are completely legit. But I'll dig deeper in any case. And to say that, there are a few people in almost *every* major Alliance that get caught by the above, so it's not necessarily that these guys are some cabal of cheaters out there.

IceIX is alive . (I'll bet he still didn't mention the possibility of getting more mods)

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Spoit wrote:

Emeryt wrote:

PM:

IceIX wrote:

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As for the recent cheater thing with X-Men, I'm going through each of them personally to figure out what's going on there. There *were* a couple that got caught out by our auto-cheat filter, a couple more that were noted for cheating otherwise, and some that are completely legit. But I'll dig deeper in any case. And to say that, there are a few people in almost *every* major Alliance that get caught by the above, so it's not necessarily that these guys are some cabal of cheaters out there.

IceIX is alive . (I'll bet he still didn't mention the possibility of getting more mods)

Lol actually that's the first part of this PM:

IceIX wrote:

It wasn't so much ignoring as work being a cluster of lots of things to work on as well as things like E3 and other shows that took up my time. Obviously, the fallbacks of some of the D3 staff posting wasn't enough to keep up moderation, and for that, I'm sorry. I'm going to do some work over the weekend shoring up some of the IP banning stuff, grabbing a couple of people that volunteered to help moderate, etc.

SolidQ

thefated1 wrote:

We play hard

We play hard to lie
*fixed*

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SolidQ wrote:

thefated1 wrote:

We play hard

We play hard to lie
*fixed*

Play hard on bed ?

SolidQ

Asmodeus wrote:

SolidQ wrote:

thefated1 wrote:

We play hard

We play hard to lie
*fixed*

Play hard on bed ?

When they sleep, they climbing in the dream

mohio

don't knock it man - I've had that dream before.

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I didn't realize there were so many hacks out there until reading these threads and really I just want to know, if they determine someone was cheating, does the second place in past events get the correct rewards they should have gotten if the winner hadn't cheated? Curious because I've been beaten a few times by some mentioned players in the past. Oh and the 11th or 12th place etc... would they receive a third cover?

Also, having known Psychopathic and a couple others while they were in 5D for a bit, there was never any talk of cheating or nefarious strategies. If there really is cheating here, my guess is it's isolated to specific players.

HairyDave

Carnajs1 wrote:

Also, having known Psychopathic and a couple others while they were in 5D for a bit, there was never any talk of cheating or nefarious strategies. If there really is cheating here, my guess is it's isolated to specific players.

Probably.

The guilt by association is getting laid on a bit thick.

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You guys realize that the phrase "play hard" is now officially dirty right?

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thefated1 wrote:

By no means am I "sulking". I can totally understand how an outsider would look at as you do. As you stated no one can know for sure who is doing what. My point was that being and insider and knowing everything I do about the X men, I can firmly state I have never seen or heard about any of our players cheating. I know it pisses people off to not have answers as to how the alliance achieves what we do but that would be like asking a company to give thier trade secrets up. The X men are a family and were not going to. Call me nieve or what but I have not seen any Xmen cheat and I stand firm that we are NOT cheaters

stop being nieve, lawyer.

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Iceix,

Thanks for letting us what's goin' on (even if it's blurry. At the same time, situation is so serious - enough to ruin the game -that you have to take the necessary time to solve everything).

But what is the morale of the story ? It now depends on your staff decisions.

If you just kick out a couple of cheaters from x-men, and the alliance keeps all the rewards, and advantages for it, then it's too easy. They can do the same on and on, creating new profiles.
As you took lot of time to react, event ended, and they got benefits from it.

Everyone was saying somehow there were cheating ; it was obvious, considering many factual elements. Still, PVP could go on to an end that affects its result, and of course season.

You said there are cheaters in every big alliances ? I'm real interested, as 5 Deadly Venoms is top 2 til the beginning. Well, was, til this corrupted event.

Klingsor, our ex boss, used to be a **** sometimes, he even recognized by himself, but he was always saying "if I catch a cheater in alliance he will be kicked with no mercy".

That was clearly not the message in x-men, as their boss took the responsability of their score, responding to accusations "we work hard, we have innovative strategies, and stuff ..." instead of saying "I agree, what's happening now is not normal. I'ma clear it out".

Lycra is our new boss. So if we are concerned by cheating, just let one of us know so that we eject them. And if we don't deserve our position, then give rewards to the ones who should have been at our place, substracting cheaters scores. Fair enough. It's great to be on top, but not with dirty moves. It's a game. Cheating for victory is absolutly unacceptable.

X-Men dirty tricks made collateral victims, and they still get benefits from it until you make something strong enough to make cheaters and the ones encouraging it think twice.

It's up to you to make people feel like they are not playing to a corrupted game.

Thanks for reading me.

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