ThaRoadWarrior said: Did you come out of retirement just for this moment?
shardwick said: Maybe someone called the swarm.
KGB said: BriMan2222 said: KGB said: Bad said: However devs want a logical feeder. If they think having characters feeding logical 5*s rather than having a guide to localize all feeders, it's their call.The logical feeder to wasp 4* is wasp 5*.And a 4* feeding 2 5*s is too valuable. Of course it's their call because it's their game. They could decide tomorrow to arbitrarily give a free LT to everyone who has a last name of B or nerf Shang Chi to Wasp level or whatever else the decide.Overall for the player base more feeders are a good thing. No one arguing that.But the dev's have consistently favored one group (Vets including F2P over actual paying customers) over everyone else every time they retroactively do things like this (and lets not pretend this is the last one they are going to do because clearly we are going to see more shuffling of feeders around which means lots more extra vet rewards coming down the line) by giving them double dip rewards. All I and others are pointing out it that what they are doing is unfair to some of the player base and that we'd like that addressed (equal pay for equal work). Doesn't mean it's going to happen but also know I'm going to bring it up every time they do this.KGB How is it unfair that players are getting rewards proportional to the work that they've put in to get it? If they were giving them out randomly or arbitrarily that would be unfair. Equal pay for equal work is exactly what this is. People who put in the work are getting equal pay to other people who put in the work to grind lvls onto their 4 stars. People who didn't put in as much work are getting equal pay to people who equally didn't put in as much work. Giving players who have worked hard to have maxed out 4 stars isn't random or arbitrary, especially given that they've done things like this in the past and we know that at any time they could make an old 4 star a new feeder and give retro rewards, which is exactly why players grind to get lvl 370 4 stars and even keep multiple maxed out copies of the same 4 stars.Saying I didn't put in the work to have all these rewards and other people did and I don't like that just sounds like jealousy. There's nothing unfair about people being rewarded proportionately to their efforts. Do you also think it's unfair that the people who grind pve to get top spots get more rewards than those that don't? I don't think you quite understand what's happening here.Someone who today has a L370 Emma Frost has already collected 6 5* covers (Kitty). Tomorrow they will collect 6 more 5* covers (5* Emma) for a total of 12 5* covers (Same thing with Antman and Wasp->Yellowjacket covers).If I have a L270 Emma today, when I bring her to L370 (even if it's next week), I will collect a total of 6 5* covers (5* Emma). I will never collect the 6 5* Kitty covers you got. That is most definitely NOT equal work (raising a character to L370) for equal pay (the champ rewards). There are 5 new feeder changes tomorrow. The summation here is going to add up to a LOT of free extra goodies for Vets that new players can't ever get no matter how much work or money they spend. The value of that is hundreds of real dollars (based on a roughly $40 cost to buy 500 5* shards + all the LTs, CPs, HP etc that is being double dipped) that's you'd need to spend to acquire the same resources. It's just mildly unfair, it's *wildly* unfair.They could easily make this fair for everyone by simply adjusting the rewards so that Emma was a double 5* feeder (and the other feeders that previous fed no one would give out shards + LT/CP/HP that was replaced). Bad, claimed this was too valuable of a reward to give out, yet that's exactly the reward that is being given out to the vets so clearly it's not too valuable to give out.KGB
BriMan2222 said: KGB said: Bad said: However devs want a logical feeder. If they think having characters feeding logical 5*s rather than having a guide to localize all feeders, it's their call.The logical feeder to wasp 4* is wasp 5*.And a 4* feeding 2 5*s is too valuable. Of course it's their call because it's their game. They could decide tomorrow to arbitrarily give a free LT to everyone who has a last name of B or nerf Shang Chi to Wasp level or whatever else the decide.Overall for the player base more feeders are a good thing. No one arguing that.But the dev's have consistently favored one group (Vets including F2P over actual paying customers) over everyone else every time they retroactively do things like this (and lets not pretend this is the last one they are going to do because clearly we are going to see more shuffling of feeders around which means lots more extra vet rewards coming down the line) by giving them double dip rewards. All I and others are pointing out it that what they are doing is unfair to some of the player base and that we'd like that addressed (equal pay for equal work). Doesn't mean it's going to happen but also know I'm going to bring it up every time they do this.KGB How is it unfair that players are getting rewards proportional to the work that they've put in to get it? If they were giving them out randomly or arbitrarily that would be unfair. Equal pay for equal work is exactly what this is. People who put in the work are getting equal pay to other people who put in the work to grind lvls onto their 4 stars. People who didn't put in as much work are getting equal pay to people who equally didn't put in as much work. Giving players who have worked hard to have maxed out 4 stars isn't random or arbitrary, especially given that they've done things like this in the past and we know that at any time they could make an old 4 star a new feeder and give retro rewards, which is exactly why players grind to get lvl 370 4 stars and even keep multiple maxed out copies of the same 4 stars.Saying I didn't put in the work to have all these rewards and other people did and I don't like that just sounds like jealousy. There's nothing unfair about people being rewarded proportionately to their efforts. Do you also think it's unfair that the people who grind pve to get top spots get more rewards than those that don't?
KGB said: Bad said: However devs want a logical feeder. If they think having characters feeding logical 5*s rather than having a guide to localize all feeders, it's their call.The logical feeder to wasp 4* is wasp 5*.And a 4* feeding 2 5*s is too valuable. Of course it's their call because it's their game. They could decide tomorrow to arbitrarily give a free LT to everyone who has a last name of B or nerf Shang Chi to Wasp level or whatever else the decide.Overall for the player base more feeders are a good thing. No one arguing that.But the dev's have consistently favored one group (Vets including F2P over actual paying customers) over everyone else every time they retroactively do things like this (and lets not pretend this is the last one they are going to do because clearly we are going to see more shuffling of feeders around which means lots more extra vet rewards coming down the line) by giving them double dip rewards. All I and others are pointing out it that what they are doing is unfair to some of the player base and that we'd like that addressed (equal pay for equal work). Doesn't mean it's going to happen but also know I'm going to bring it up every time they do this.KGB
Bad said: However devs want a logical feeder. If they think having characters feeding logical 5*s rather than having a guide to localize all feeders, it's their call.The logical feeder to wasp 4* is wasp 5*.And a 4* feeding 2 5*s is too valuable.
stef_focus said: Just got the retro-rewards and, well, something looks to have gone a little wrong.Agent Caulson went okay, but for the 5* it looks like only the 250 shards and cover rewards were granted (those that were originally on the cover slots before shards were added to the game). The 100 and 150 shards rewards were not part of it.
stef_focus said: I doubt they are coming in batches, as then Coulson would not have had all shards granted. I expect there was a mix-up in which rewards to grant and they granted the rewards that previously had a cover or legendary token.
HoundofShadow said: New players will always fall behind. You can't expect someone who played for a few months or 1 to 2 years to catch up with someone who played for 5 to 8 years. It just doesn't make sense.
KGB said:There are 5 new feeder changes tomorrow. The summation here is going to add up to a LOT of free extra goodies for Vets that new players can't ever get no matter how much work or money they spend. The value of that is hundreds of real dollars (based on a roughly $40 cost to buy 500 5* shards + all the LTs, CPs, HP etc that is being double dipped) that's you'd need to spend to acquire the same resources. It's just mildly unfair, it's *wildly* unfair.