entrailbucket said: We don't know what their criteria are, but there are some commonalities among all the characters to be nerfed:- Every character that's been nerfed has been really strong, either offensively or defensively.- As a corollary, every character to be nerfed has dominated the meta for at least several months.- Every character to be nerfed has had a designed counter introduced before being nerfed, and the counter hasn't reduced their use.There are plenty of characters that have met these criteria that *haven't* been nerfed, but every character that's been nerfed has met them. What does that mean? It means we don't know anything.
DAZ0273 said: entrailbucket said: We don't know what their criteria are, but there are some commonalities among all the characters to be nerfed:- Every character that's been nerfed has been really strong, either offensively or defensively.- As a corollary, every character to be nerfed has dominated the meta for at least several months.- Every character to be nerfed has had a designed counter introduced before being nerfed, and the counter hasn't reduced their use.There are plenty of characters that have met these criteria that *haven't* been nerfed, but every character that's been nerfed has met them. What does that mean? It means we don't know anything. Who was OML's specific designed counter? I guess Kate Bishop's blue countered his healing, I think she was in game before his nerf? Can't think of anybody else?
HoundofShadow said: R4G wonders when they will be nerfed.
entrailbucket said: DAZ0273 said: entrailbucket said: We don't know what their criteria are, but there are some commonalities among all the characters to be nerfed:- Every character that's been nerfed has been really strong, either offensively or defensively.- As a corollary, every character to be nerfed has dominated the meta for at least several months.- Every character to be nerfed has had a designed counter introduced before being nerfed, and the counter hasn't reduced their use.There are plenty of characters that have met these criteria that *haven't* been nerfed, but every character that's been nerfed has met them. What does that mean? It means we don't know anything. Who was OML's specific designed counter? I guess Kate Bishop's blue countered his healing, I think she was in game before his nerf? Can't think of anybody else? Kate Bishop. Predictably, it didn't work at all. At the time players had high hopes that she would counter him, but in practice it was just way too slow to have any impact.
HoundofShadow said: There are other teams that you've forgotten, before the 5* boost. For example:Kitty/BRB; Kitty/R4G; Kitty/Polaris; Polaris/BRB; BRB/Apocalypse; Apocalypse/Onslaught; Prof $/OnslaughtWith the 5* boost, there are more varieties from the boosted list, but the list of characters above appears less frequently.I think for those pro-Okoye's nerf, it's important to see how their roster look like. For example, if Okoye was nerfed, Apocalypse will step up and replace her. Maybe pro-nerf camp have high level Apocalypses. And given that Okoye has been promoted really heavily over the years, chances are most players affected have higher levelled Okoyes compared to their Apocalypses or other top characters. If so, this is done due to competitive reasons, rather than game balance reason.
Codex said: I too think the D3 would nerf Okoye. My thinking is strictly from a revenue source for D3. Once I get a high level Okoye or one that competes well is PvE and PvP. D3 will be losing my revenue stream.One option for d3 is to create a better Okoye. This is a likely scenario. But consider if Okoye is enough for me to place well in PvE and PvP then why would i spend. For those ppl not competive like myself that only reaches progresssion the only way would be if they nerf Okoye and leaving me to chase Apoc or next great boosting damage character. I don't know if I am alone in my thinking. I have to say from a money making perspective d3 could nerf Okoye. I do think also that since d3 has put out Okoye in a lot of special legendary stores more so than others they may not nerf her. Reason being D3 sees the enormous impact of Okoye making it less of a grind of a game. And nerfing Okoye may cause some ppl to leave.Anyways that is my 2 HP.
Daredevil217 said: “The point is: I don't know if they're going to nerf her, *but neither does anybody else*.”I mean… is this really saying anything at all? I could say the same thing about Wasp. Sure, they’ve never nerfed the worst character, but there’s a lot they haven’t done before!!I don’t think anyone is saying “Okoye will never be nerfed”. Like Hound, I think it’s highly unlikely, but clearly she is a better candidate than Wasp (or maybe not!? We don’t know anything!). Who are all these Charlie Browns you’re arguing with? That’s the thing I don’t get.“I'm actually not pro- or anti- Okoye nerf, it doesn't affect me in any way. I have her at 480 or something but I never use her.“The part I bolded is just not true. You yourself have said that in order to succeed you need a 550 Okoye. So while YOU don’t play her, everyone else does. And so it stands to reason that everyone else losing their most effective weapon would result in better placement and rewards in both PVP and PVE for you, and you wouldn’t have to do a thing to change your playstyle. Your 550 pistols become a lot more attractive once the rocket launchers get banned. Often times it feels like you’re debating with folks who I don’t see making the arguments you are claiming they are. So it feels like you’re actually arguing with or trying to convince yourself. Like, who are these Charlie Browns everywhere who think nerfs can never happen to the most powerful characters? Who are all these people who don’t understand “conventional wisdom” that having more options is a good thing? Who are all these people who don’t understand that over 7 years, the game has changed and will continue to change immensely? You’re saying a lot of (at least to me) really obvious statements and so I’m genuinely curious if this comes from having to face an endless sea of 550 Okoyes for YEARS rocking 550 classics who aren’t nearly as good. I imagine that must’ve been hard. By the way:- You have used developer history as a reason to say “They will nerf her [Polaris]” going as far as telling folks to make other plans. - Others (myself included) have used developer history to say “I don’t THINK Okoye will be nerfed”.- To counter all those historical examples you say we can’t trust history because the developers have done unprecedented things before! We know nothing!- Doesn’t that kind of negate the first point? I don’t quite understand.
TheRiddler said: The issue for me is that Okoye has been around for 3+ years now at this point. That is 3 years that you have given people to chase a character. I'm sure there are lower level players who spent a ton of time and their limited resources to get her at champed levels. I guess in my eyes if they were gonna nerf the character then it should have been done long time ago at this point. Instead we have seen her constantly pushed in special release stores, anniversary vaults, special sales bundles etc. A nerf at this point would seem to say "We had no problem constantly pushing and selling you a overpowered character for 3 years but now she is too strong and we would rather you chase somebody new."