Break the hoard or not ?

nousernamehere

Hello everyone. 

I have most of 4* champed, and transitioning to 5* with one 5* champion, BRB. I mostly play PVE, and PVP up to 650 points.
I wanted to break my hoard (151LL, 4000CP), but I don't know if I should go for Colossus/Wanda/Knull or wait for Wanda/Knull/???. Knull really doesn't seem that good, but I guess I'll have to cover him as well if I want Wanda.

Or maybe I should wait for a whole new (and hopefully better) trio, but I would be missing Wanda.

What do you think ? And what are you planning to do with your hoards ?

HoundofShadow

Colossus/Wanda/Knull seems to be the better choice. He can help you to punch up in SCL10 pves. If I were you, I would wait for the next 5*, coming to you between 1st to 3rd June.

BRB/Polaris can handle almost any teams, including iHulkoye, in pvps and your goal is only 650. 

Just wait and revive this thread on 1st June.

Ares76

I am stuck in the same dilemma - with the difference that I have 30+ five-star champs already. Since the last 10 five-stars or so were mediocre (last good one was Apocalypse, maybe Onslaught) a lot of people hoarded enough resources in the last months to be able to champ three latest.

I would definitely wait till the next 5-star is announced. There will be a lot discussions in this forum where people will be comparing Colossus to the next five-star. 

Zalasta

I'm also in this boat. Haven't really busted the hoard since Apoc/Onslaught.  Not a lot of interest in the five stars released since. Hoping for some better characters in the next two or three releases. Otherwise, I'll keep hoarding.

Painmonger

Wanda can be a decent damage booster & damage reducer, so in that light she is similar to Okoye & Apocalypse. If you don't already have either of them, I would say she's worth pulling for, especially since hers is percentage based & you could keep her lower level to work with your 4* for now. The main thing would be the next 5* to see how they compare to Colossus, so probably a safe bet to wait until the next one is announced in a few weeks & go from there. 

justsing

I don’t expect Colossus / Wanda / Knull to make a huge difference in PVE. It’s more in PVP that they shine. Since you don’t play a ton of PVP, I’m not convinced you’d get much benefit from unhoarding.

I think it might be better if you save your CP for a special store with someone like Apoc, who will actually pair well with BRB and also help speed things up in PVE since that’s your focus. Perhaps saving for the next Anniversary Fan Favorites store is a good target. 

Warbringa

I think that Colossus is good myself and I have most of the meta 5* champed.  He is a great transitioning 5* for a mainly 4* roster because he actually makes a team with 4* viable in PvP and even some PvE nodes where they wouldn't be due to match damage.  You will still run into problems in PvP against Hulkoye and to a lesser extent BRB/Kitty if they get their protect engine going but that is something you will face with any 5* team not in that combo.  

Just to let you know I used Colossus/Peggy/Chavez last night to great success against all 5* teams (some had Polaris in them as an exception) with many of them featuring meta characters like Apocalypse, Thor, Okoye, BRB and Kitty.  The pure match damage that Colossus does along with Chavez's crits sometimes doing 20K+ per turn if matching any of Colossus 3 colors and the fact you take almost no match damage yourself is efficient.  Peggy is just there to really prevent enemy AI from firing powers quickly (and her blue stun is good) since that is where you will take damage with this team.  You will get hit on defense but I made up the small points I lost there in one victory so no big deal. 

My disclaimer is that I play as a casual player so if you are competitive, don't consider my experience thinking this team will get you to max progression as you will simply run into Hulkoye and BRB/Kitty teams once you crawl past 1000 points or so, and this team doesn't handle them as well (especially Hulkoye).    

entrailbucket

If you don't have Hulk or Okoye you're much, much better off waiting for a store that has Hulk or Okoye.  None of the new guys are anywhere close to their level for PvP or PvE.

Borstock

If you're going to continue to play PvP to 650, this group of 5's probably won't be a homerun for you. This is a PvP group.

Theghouse

Echoing what has been said above, if you are not competitive in PvP now and don't plan to be in the future, this trio isn't as exciting.

Okoye, Apoc, or Kitty will have a much more profound impact on your PvE experience, especially Apoc with his excellent synergy with BRB.

Jacklag

There will always be a better trio eventually, that's what the devs have been signalling when each new release has higher health an damage then the previous. But if you always keep wandering about the future you will never enjoy the present.

As present goes, 5*Colossus, Wanda and Knulls is a pretty good array. I would recommend you spend your LT"s on Latest Legends store and your CP on a different special store of three 5*s that you find interesting.

Wanda, Carnage and Daredevil was a good one. But the current Knull, Black bolt and Black Panther isn't terrible either.

nousernamehere

Thanks everyone for your answers ! 

I will obviously wait for the next announcement to make any decision. 
Since everyone mostly says Col/Wanda/Knull is a PVP group, I'll wait the announcement and if the next one is not good, I'll save for a special store.

I said I didn't play a lot of PVP, but I actually played it up to 900 points before I champed BRB. Since then, it's been hard to climb so I just go up to 650 for the Mighty token. I knew it would happen, but I don't mind, I prefer PVE, even though I like to mix both.

I will still revive this thread after the announcement to hear what you are thinking about what to do next for hoarders ! Thanks again.

entrailbucket

Knull is not good.  I've been saying this since prerelease, and early reports of people facing the super-boosted version confirm this.

He has a lot of health but he's very slow and frequently does nothing at all. 

If you're convinced about Colossus and Wanda you might want to consider pulling while Cyclops is still in latest.  Cyclops is also not good but he might actually be better than Knull.

DAZ0273

What do we feel is the issue with Knull? He seemed OK but a loaner is often not the greatest feedback but I saw some players saying he had one of the better loaner experiences. Is it that this does not translate to more covers/higher levels? I don't have much of a hoard at present but what I do have I would like to make good use of as and when pursuing Wanda and whoever else is passably good.

entrailbucket

He's extremely slow to get going compared to the good passive damage dealers and he's also very unreliable by comparison, in that you need his (unfortified) countdown tiles to stay on the board or he does nothing at all.

Daredevil217

Cyke over Knull is not an unpopular opinion. Both are pretty low tier. I personally would take Knull over Cyke though. 

Cyke has overcosted low damage red/green abilities. Yellow, while unique, won’t supplant Apoc or Okoye as a damage booster. The fact that they capped the match damage boost hurts even more. He really just doesn’t do anything well and sports the most popular colors in the tier, so a lot of active red/green/yellow toons can easily take his spot. 

A lot of Knull’s hate after his PvP came from how slow, boring, and annoying he was. That’s precisely what could make him a player down the road- just like Carbage before him, who slowly spammed special tiles and I believe had the top match damage (health too?) in the game at the time of his release. People look at Knull in a vacuum and say he does nothing, which is correct (in said vacuum).  Because of his health, match damage, and giant sword, people expect him to be this big damage dealing tank . But he’s actually a support character masquerading as a nuker. He spams specials but needs people to amplify them. He does low damage, but needs people to boost it. One on one he’s trash. But 3 on 3 he can 1) slow an opponent down via tile spam animations and large health and 2) add a little as a third wheel to the tile-boosting and damage-boosting metas that are all the rage. Cyclops doesn’t really do either. 

Again, neither of these guys are T10 and I don’t see either as being major players when not essential. But I see more utility in Knull over Cyke even though neither are very good. 

entrailbucket

Yeah, you can probably assemble some kind of Knull-adjacent jank as a troll team, but you can do that with a lot of 5*.

I think the lesson (that somehow nobody has learned yet) is: don't trust the pre-release hype.

jp1

Cyclops makes a decent tank for Hulkoye in PVE. With the proper support he can tank green for a champed IHulk. 

That alone makes him more useful than some other toons. That said, I’m very tired of pulling covers for him while my Wanda and Colossus languish.

Aweberman

I think Cyclops is pretty good in PvE simply for his yellow.  A team of Cyclops/Thor/boosted 5 is going to crank the match damage to very high levels fairly quickly.  Playing along with Thor also allows him probably to tank all the colors (for a little while, anyway) and provide decent stun and board shake with his (admittedly-too-expensive) green.

Omegased

Aweberman said:

I think Cyclops is pretty good in PvE simply for his yellow.  A team of Cyclops/Thor/boosted 5 is going to crank the match damage to very high levels fairly quickly.  Playing along with Thor also allows him probably to tank all the colors (for a little while, anyway) and provide decent stun and board shake with his (admittedly-too-expensive) green.

you're not wrong, but i don't think he adds enough.

I usually run Apoc/thor for a lot of PvE, and the majority of teams will be dead before any advantage Cyc can make.

I guess it's an example of, while he does ok - there's others that do better.

does that mean he's useless? absolutely not. but if you're lucky enough to have thor champed, you've probably got better partners

Srheer0

Hi Tc,

When I champed my first 5 in hindsight I could have done it a month or two sooner. Don't make the same mistake I did  

Don't pull for cycl5ps. I have overall been disappointed in him and very rarely get to use his black.

Colossus is good, can pair well with things like Adam warlock and Killmonger later on down the road that have even more match damage built into their kits.  

Wanda is very worth. She is not the best partner for BRB, but can accelerate his blue or green power damage and AP generation depending on how you use her pink. So I would say pull for her for sure. 

Knull seems kindof weak. Annoyingly, if you want Wanda you are going to end up with some knulls or some cycl5psses. Knull is the king in black. But has a terrible black power.  

The 5star I have been spoiled after knull looks very interesting. If you start being able to do pvp to 900 (you can do it with BRB and polaris quite easily) this will accelerate your roster growth and give you some more CPs.  

So you have 2 choices.  

Either pull for wanda and collo5sus and hope you don't get too many knulls.

Or wait until knull leaves (I think it will be 14-16 weeks from today) and see how good the next latests are.