Smart80 said: Can someone explain to me why we get sub section of supports available per period without being able to hoard over to the next period. Havent done the math, but couldnt you just as well make all supports available if you cant hoard any way? (Explenation about skipping event if not have right supports is not satisfactory.. ;-) )But would much rather have you go other way, to have sub sections AND hoarding, so you could actually have a shot at what you want...
Ed_Dragonrider said: Smart80 said: Can someone explain to me why we get sub section of supports available per period without being able to hoard over to the next period. Havent done the math, but couldnt you just as well make all supports available if you cant hoard any way? (Explenation about skipping event if not have right supports is not satisfactory.. ;-) )But would much rather have you go other way, to have sub sections AND hoarding, so you could actually have a shot at what you want... I may be completely wrong, and might have misunderstood something along the way, but the way i interpreted this whole thing is that you cant hoard Vault tokens. The vault is open for 4 weeks, you get 3-4 tokens (x4) from new event, and in addition you are welcome to spend as much Hp as you wish to chase specific vault content.However, if you do manage to luck into a Support Store token (begginer/advanced/master), then those you can hoard, untill the right set of 16 comes along for you to pull from... (With tokens only, no additional hp purchases available).The support store and the vault are not the same things, but will run at the same time (and presumably the vault will contain the supports from the same set of 16 as its parallel store). Idek. We'll see...
bluewolf said: Smart80 said: Can someone explain to me why we get sub section of supports available per period without being able to hoard over to the next period. Havent done the math, but couldnt you just as well make all supports available if you cant hoard any way? (Explenation about skipping event if not have right supports is not satisfactory.. ;-) )But would much rather have you go other way, to have sub sections AND hoarding, so you could actually have a shot at what you want... Do I wish we could hoard towards a future vault? Yes.The reason that hoarded vault tokens won't carry over is because they....well....the conspiracy theorist viewpoint is that allowing hoarding would help you pull that one you really want (let's face it, some you won't care about too much), and the fact that the Support only needs to be pulled once at the right rank means they don't want to make it TOO easy. The other thought is that no token for a store that does not repeat can be carried to a different one. From one point of view, all new release stores are identical (3 5's, 1 new and 2 others (usually Classic). But no token can be carried forward from one to the next. Each Support vault will be different as they will be adding new Supports to the game; so they would, presumably, have a different mix from a growing pool every time in the tokens contained in each vault.I prefer the Select 16 model for now, since it allows me to have a relatively good chance at a Support I want (6.25%) vs full dilution which would be 2.4% currently. Basically 3X as likely.The question I hope we have answered soon is, will there be Select 16 tokens in the PVE or PVP rewards? If not, and they remain stuck in the Duplicate 18, that will make pulling and/or winning them much less exciting.
MadScientist said: @Brigby The vault items in the first post add to 243, not to 240.
I climbed the ladder, did the three boss battles, opened my tokens, got a couple of 2*, decided that's enough. Unless I'm really bored, I won't be going for clears and progression. Absolutely not placement.
Am I looking forward to the next run in a week? Well, of course I am, it's in the future.
Am I thinking about it with a sense of excitement and anticipation? No.
bluewolf said: -snip-Brigby Perhaps this will be obvious later today, but can a Select Support token be hoarded past the 4 weeks and used in the next Select 16 store/pool? Or even when ALL the Supports are available? Or will an attempt to hoard Select Support tokens just result in many pages of different token stores? I think this is the first time anyone brought up the question of what happens to newly hoarded actual Support tokens vs focusing on the vault token issue and older Support tokens. Thanks to Ed_Dragonrider for bringing this up.
Smart80 said: So, we can treat the support tokens as LTs and hoard till the right selection is offered? Sorry, just want to be sure and have been dissapointed enough this week, waiting months to have support store being updated....
Brigby said: The Support Store tokens will update alongside the Support Store content during their rotation cycles. Vault tokens are the only ones tied to their respective vaults.
Richyyy said: Brigby said: Is this actually an improvement? Beginner tokens are a little bit better; Advanced tokens are minisculely better; and Master tokens, should you ever happen to luck into one and get excited about the possibilities, are vastly worse. I applaud the efforts you guys have made to improve this situation, and I'll reserve total judgement until it's all in the game, but as more of the information has trickled out it's less and less interesting or exciting. We've got another grindy PvE, more vaults that are mostly junk, bare minimum changes to the token odds, and a completely unnecessary slash to how much riso you get for duplicates. Two steps forwards and what looks like it's pretty much two steps back.
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jamesh said: Richyyy said: Brigby said: Is this actually an improvement? Beginner tokens are a little bit better; Advanced tokens are minisculely better; and Master tokens, should you ever happen to luck into one and get excited about the possibilities, are vastly worse. I applaud the efforts you guys have made to improve this situation, and I'll reserve total judgement until it's all in the game, but as more of the information has trickled out it's less and less interesting or exciting. We've got another grindy PvE, more vaults that are mostly junk, bare minimum changes to the token odds, and a completely unnecessary slash to how much riso you get for duplicates. Two steps forwards and what looks like it's pretty much two steps back. Master tokens with a 1:10 chance of receiving a rank 5 support have not existed for a long time. With the recent Victorious support release, the master tokens had a 1:27 chance of giving a rank 5 support, and the probability has been hovering around that level for a long time.
jamesh said:With that said, the difference between rank 3 and rank 4 supports is vastly less than it used to be too: with reduction in the number of powers a support provides, you're only looking at an increased level cap.