If you could force through one change....
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I have a bit of bad news for you: Those 3*s? They max at 266. Your 4*s START gaining champ levels at 4 levels above where those STOP gaining them. One group was specifically designed to have more raw power behind it. Stifling your roster to keep the third most powerful tier of characters "relevant" is an exercise in futility.nick_chicane said:
I dont class what I'm doing as soft capping. If I was soft capping my 4*s would be set at a much lower level than the current 240 I have them at. Soft cappers are people who deliberately leave their rosters at low levels so they can get lower scaling. What I'm doing has nothing to do with my scaling, I just want my 3*s to remain relevant rather than having my 4*s up at 270 while my 3*s are from 230 down to 195 making them useless in a fight.Milk Jugz said:With your signature quote, I'm a little surprised that's where you went with your comment fightmaster. He fully admits to softcapping..... Stop softcapping and end your cover waste!! Or hoard your CP and LT until you are ready to champ your 4s5 -
Haha!! OK, whatever, play how you like. Just don't come on the forums complaining about vaulting/ cover waste when you're doing it to yourself by softcapping!!!!bbigler said:
Maybe he's just playing to have fun. Ever thought of that?Milk Jugz said:
Doesn't matter what reasoning you are using to justify it. Can you champ? Yes. + Are you champing? No. = Softcapping!! Just hoard your cp and lt, and start champing your 4s!!! They are way more fun to use than the 3s anyway. Oh, and we don't play to not progress!!!nick_chicane said:
I dont class what I'm doing as soft capping. If I was soft capping my 4*s would be set at a much lower level than the current 240 I have them at. Soft cappers are people who deliberately leave their rosters at low levels so they can get lower scaling. What I'm doing has nothing to do with my scaling, I just want my 3*s to remain relevant rather than having my 4*s up at 270 while my 3*s are from 230 down to 195 making them useless in a fight.Milk Jugz said:With your signature quote, I'm a little surprised that's where you went with your comment fightmaster. He fully admits to softcapping..... Stop softcapping and end your cover waste!! Or hoard your CP and LT until you are ready to champ your 4s
Let's also take away the negative connotation of soft-capping. It doesn't hurt you if he soft caps. If he wants to sell covers, that's his choice. Not everyone plays for blood.
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Absolute rubbish. If progress is making over half your roster useless, then thats progress no one should have any interest in.Milk Jugz said:
Doesn't matter what reasoning you are using to justify it. Can you champ? Yes. + Are you champing? No. = Softcapping!! Just hoard your cp and lt, and start champing your 4s!!! They are way more fun to use than the 3s anyway. Oh, and we don't play to not progress!!!nick_chicane said:
I dont class what I'm doing as soft capping. If I was soft capping my 4*s would be set at a much lower level than the current 240 I have them at. Soft cappers are people who deliberately leave their rosters at low levels so they can get lower scaling. What I'm doing has nothing to do with my scaling, I just want my 3*s to remain relevant rather than having my 4*s up at 270 while my 3*s are from 230 down to 195 making them useless in a fight.Milk Jugz said:With your signature quote, I'm a little surprised that's where you went with your comment fightmaster. He fully admits to softcapping..... Stop softcapping and end your cover waste!! Or hoard your CP and LT until you are ready to champ your 4s0 -
I am aware of that, but it will still be some time yet before my 3*s get to 266 so I will enjoy it until then.New McG said:
I have a bit of bad news for you: Those 3*s? They max at 266. Your 4*s START gaining champ levels at 4 levels above where those STOP gaining them. One group was specifically designed to have more raw power behind it. Stifling your roster to keep the third most powerful tier of characters "relevant" is an exercise in futility.nick_chicane said:
I dont class what I'm doing as soft capping. If I was soft capping my 4*s would be set at a much lower level than the current 240 I have them at. Soft cappers are people who deliberately leave their rosters at low levels so they can get lower scaling. What I'm doing has nothing to do with my scaling, I just want my 3*s to remain relevant rather than having my 4*s up at 270 while my 3*s are from 230 down to 195 making them useless in a fight.Milk Jugz said:With your signature quote, I'm a little surprised that's where you went with your comment fightmaster. He fully admits to softcapping..... Stop softcapping and end your cover waste!! Or hoard your CP and LT until you are ready to champ your 4s0 -
They are not useless. You still have DDQ with the 3* required. You still have 3* PVP. They are still needed for essential nodes and farming to feed the better 4*s. I can accept having no interest in the 5* tier, but the 4* outshine the 3s so greatly I can't get behind your reasoning. Seriously, just start champing them - you won't regret it!!!nick_chicane said:
Absolute rubbish. If progress is making over half your roster useless, then thats progress I have no interest in.Milk Jugz said:
Doesn't matter what reasoning you are using to justify it. Can you champ? Yes. + Are you champing? No. = Softcapping!! Just hoard your cp and lt, and start champing your 4s!!! They are way more fun to use than the 3s anyway. Oh, and we don't play to not progress!!!nick_chicane said:
I dont class what I'm doing as soft capping. If I was soft capping my 4*s would be set at a much lower level than the current 240 I have them at. Soft cappers are people who deliberately leave their rosters at low levels so they can get lower scaling. What I'm doing has nothing to do with my scaling, I just want my 3*s to remain relevant rather than having my 4*s up at 270 while my 3*s are from 230 down to 195 making them useless in a fight.Milk Jugz said:With your signature quote, I'm a little surprised that's where you went with your comment fightmaster. He fully admits to softcapping..... Stop softcapping and end your cover waste!! Or hoard your CP and LT until you are ready to champ your 4s
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And I assume that during the same time you will also cease the complaints about useless cover pulls, since you've now shown you are actively going out of your way to ensure they remain useless?nick_chicane said:
I am aware of that, but it will still be some time yet before my 3*s get to 266 so I will enjoy it until then.New McG said:
I have a bit of bad news for you: Those 3*s? They max at 266. Your 4*s START gaining champ levels at 4 levels above where those STOP gaining them. One group was specifically designed to have more raw power behind it. Stifling your roster to keep the third most powerful tier of characters "relevant" is an exercise in futility.nick_chicane said:
I dont class what I'm doing as soft capping. If I was soft capping my 4*s would be set at a much lower level than the current 240 I have them at. Soft cappers are people who deliberately leave their rosters at low levels so they can get lower scaling. What I'm doing has nothing to do with my scaling, I just want my 3*s to remain relevant rather than having my 4*s up at 270 while my 3*s are from 230 down to 195 making them useless in a fight.Milk Jugz said:With your signature quote, I'm a little surprised that's where you went with your comment fightmaster. He fully admits to softcapping..... Stop softcapping and end your cover waste!! Or hoard your CP and LT until you are ready to champ your 4s4 -
@Nick_chicane
Just for full disclosure I am anti-vaulting myself, it has forced me to hoard cp and lt to avoid waste because I champ ALL my 4s, not just the ones d3 say you're going to pull. I'm not coming at you from a standpoint that I like vaulting, just that if your compliant about vaulting is cover waste and you are actively doing something with your roster that promotes said waste I can't get behind your reasoning.
I'll say it again, just champ them already!! The 4* tier is way more fun and the 3s won't be useless. Just make sure you're hoarding until you get the latest done and you won't be wasting covers anymore.
Most of all, just have fun playing!!!!2 -
He hurts me if were in the same bracket and he does his 4x clear in 45 min vs lvl 200 opponents bc he found the softcapper sweet spot in scaling while I'm taking an hour and 15 min to beat the same nodes bc I'm fighting lvl 320-400 opponents and I'm not lucky enough to have champed 5* Thanos on my side. Regardless, I personally have no problems with how you level your roster but I can't accept that it doesn't hurt PVE competition. Oh, and let's take away the negative connotation of those who are dedicated/committed enough and choose to play optimally. One should be able to do that without being labeled a cutthroat. Thanks.bbigler said:
Let's also take away the negative connotation of soft-capping. It doesn't hurt you if he soft caps. If he wants to sell covers, that's his choice. Not everyone plays for blood.4 -
Made me think a bit. Will go off script for one of these.
1. Have D3/Demi actually enforce their own rules in their EULA. Plus more transparency when exploits are found with wide spread cheating.
2. Colorless covers. It is not that hard.
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lol, @Milk Jugz, Now you know why I responded the way I did. It's clear this dude has no interest is playing efficiently or competitively. Just trying to help him realize that he is creating his own problems by pointing out some solutions that address the root of his issues. It's unfortunate that he will never convince himself that he is making his 4s irrelevant by leaving them low enough to keep his 3s relevant.1
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I have to agree with everything @Milk Jugz said. I champed my first 4* (Thorrina) at the end of September 2016, when my 3* were no higher than the lv180s. Did she make my 3* irrelevant? Not at all. Sure, scaling increased, but it was nowhere near unmanageable. My next champed 4* (in order) were Hulkbuster, IW, Nova, Starlord, Cyclops. Those six helped me advance exponentially in the game in all areas. And all the while my 3* were there to supplement them.
Progressing into 4* land is something you will never regret doing. And as Milk Jugz said, the 4* tier is so much more fun than the 3* one. Once you have that core group (since we're vaulted, focus on the great ones like Carol, Medusa, Blade, Coulson, Grocket) you'll find an increase in the overall quality of your gameplay. Sure, you'll have iso issues like everyone else. But that's small change for the benefits of having championed 4*3 -
Should totally go all the way and keep everyone at level 40.
Think of all the fun to be had with 1* characters!
Sell every 4 since they start at level 70, and softcap to 40, people!1 -
No, because even if I champed everyone I'd still end up with useless covers since you cant champ everyone at the same time. With a larger pool of characters useless covers would still be far less.New McG said:
And I assume that during the same time you will also cease the complaints about useless cover pulls, since you've now shown you are actively going out of your way to ensure they remain useless?nick_chicane said:
I am aware of that, but it will still be some time yet before my 3*s get to 266 so I will enjoy it until then.New McG said:
I have a bit of bad news for you: Those 3*s? They max at 266. Your 4*s START gaining champ levels at 4 levels above where those STOP gaining them. One group was specifically designed to have more raw power behind it. Stifling your roster to keep the third most powerful tier of characters "relevant" is an exercise in futility.nick_chicane said:
I dont class what I'm doing as soft capping. If I was soft capping my 4*s would be set at a much lower level than the current 240 I have them at. Soft cappers are people who deliberately leave their rosters at low levels so they can get lower scaling. What I'm doing has nothing to do with my scaling, I just want my 3*s to remain relevant rather than having my 4*s up at 270 while my 3*s are from 230 down to 195 making them useless in a fight.Milk Jugz said:With your signature quote, I'm a little surprised that's where you went with your comment fightmaster. He fully admits to softcapping..... Stop softcapping and end your cover waste!! Or hoard your CP and LT until you are ready to champ your 4s0 -
My scaling maxes out at 308, with no usable 5*s, so I definitely dont get easy fights.beyonderbub said:
He hurts me if were in the same bracket and he does his 4x clear in 45 min vs lvl 200 opponents bc he found the softcapper sweet spot in scaling while I'm taking an hour and 15 min to beat the same nodes bc I'm fighting lvl 320-400 opponents and I'm not lucky enough to have champed 5* Thanos on my side. Regardless, I personally have no problems with how you level your roster but I can't accept that it doesn't hurt PVE competition. Oh, and let's take away the negative connotation of those who are dedicated/committed enough and choose to play optimally. One should be able to do that without being labeled a cutthroat. Thanks.bbigler said:
Let's also take away the negative connotation of soft-capping. It doesn't hurt you if he soft caps. If he wants to sell covers, that's his choice. Not everyone plays for blood.0 -
Just because you want to stifle your 4* at the expense of keeping 3* "relevant", doesn't mean anyone else does. Sadly, just like 2* characters eventually get passed by, the same happens to 3*. They're middle of the road characters, and meant to be such. You're just insistent on delaying the inevitable.nick_chicane said:
No, because even if I champed everyone I'd still end up with useless covers since you cant champ everyone at the same time. With a larger pool of characters useless covers would still be far less.New McG said:
And I assume that during the same time you will also cease the complaints about useless cover pulls, since you've now shown you are actively going out of your way to ensure they remain useless?nick_chicane said:
I am aware of that, but it will still be some time yet before my 3*s get to 266 so I will enjoy it until then.New McG said:
I have a bit of bad news for you: Those 3*s? They max at 266. Your 4*s START gaining champ levels at 4 levels above where those STOP gaining them. One group was specifically designed to have more raw power behind it. Stifling your roster to keep the third most powerful tier of characters "relevant" is an exercise in futility.nick_chicane said:
I dont class what I'm doing as soft capping. If I was soft capping my 4*s would be set at a much lower level than the current 240 I have them at. Soft cappers are people who deliberately leave their rosters at low levels so they can get lower scaling. What I'm doing has nothing to do with my scaling, I just want my 3*s to remain relevant rather than having my 4*s up at 270 while my 3*s are from 230 down to 195 making them useless in a fight.Milk Jugz said:With your signature quote, I'm a little surprised that's where you went with your comment fightmaster. He fully admits to softcapping..... Stop softcapping and end your cover waste!! Or hoard your CP and LT until you are ready to champ your 4s0 -
I'd put all the currently vaulted 4*s in the Classic Legends store as a trial solution to vaulting.
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Why not just make a Vintage Legends token alongside the Classic one that does the same thing? I'd rather not have my progress in the 5* tier be subject to dilution in the 4* tier.Ayasugi-san said:I'd put all the currently vaulted 4*s in the Classic Legends store as a trial solution to vaulting.3 -
You're mistaken. Just because I respect his decisions, does not mean that I do those things myself. Unlike many people on this forum, I can respect personal preferences that are different from my own.Milk Jugz said:
Haha!! OK, whatever, play how you like. Just don't come on the forums complaining about vaulting/ cover waste when you're doing it to yourself by softcapping!!!!bbigler said:
Maybe he's just playing to have fun. Ever thought of that?
Let's also take away the negative connotation of soft-capping. It doesn't hurt you if he soft caps. If he wants to sell covers, that's his choice. Not everyone plays for blood.
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There's a fine line between dedicated and addicted. So, it sounds like you're angry that he was smarter than you by soft-capping because of the PVE scaling problems. If you want to blame someone, look at D3, not this guy.beyonderbub said:
He hurts me if were in the same bracket and he does his 4x clear in 45 min vs lvl 200 opponents bc he found the softcapper sweet spot in scaling while I'm taking an hour and 15 min to beat the same nodes bc I'm fighting lvl 320-400 opponents and I'm not lucky enough to have champed 5* Thanos on my side. Regardless, I personally have no problems with how you level your roster but I can't accept that it doesn't hurt PVE competition. Oh, and let's take away the negative connotation of those who are dedicated/committed enough and choose to play optimally. One should be able to do that without being labeled a cutthroat. Thanks.bbigler said:
Let's also take away the negative connotation of soft-capping. It doesn't hurt you if he soft caps. If he wants to sell covers, that's his choice. Not everyone plays for blood.
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I concur, I face level 330 dudes with my 4* roster.nick_chicane said:
My scaling maxes out at 308, with no usable 5*s, so I definitely dont get easy fights.beyonderbub said:
He hurts me if were in the same bracket and he does his 4x clear in 45 min vs lvl 200 opponents bc he found the softcapper sweet spot in scaling while I'm taking an hour and 15 min to beat the same nodes bc I'm fighting lvl 320-400 opponents and I'm not lucky enough to have champed 5* Thanos on my side. Regardless, I personally have no problems with how you level your roster but I can't accept that it doesn't hurt PVE competition. Oh, and let's take away the negative connotation of those who are dedicated/committed enough and choose to play optimally. One should be able to do that without being labeled a cutthroat. Thanks.bbigler said:
Let's also take away the negative connotation of soft-capping. It doesn't hurt you if he soft caps. If he wants to sell covers, that's his choice. Not everyone plays for blood.
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