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  • Milk Jugz
    Milk Jugz Posts: 1,122 Chairperson of the Boards
    bbigler said:

    Milk Jugz said:
    nick_chicane said:
    Milk Jugz said:
    With your signature quote, I'm a little surprised that's where you went with your comment fightmaster. He fully admits to softcapping..... Stop softcapping and end your cover waste!! Or hoard your CP and LT until you are ready to champ your 4s
    I dont class what I'm doing as soft capping. If I was soft capping my 4*s would be set at a much lower level than the current 240 I have them at. Soft cappers are people who deliberately leave their rosters at low levels so they can get lower scaling. What I'm doing has nothing to do with my scaling, I just want my 3*s to remain relevant rather than having my 4*s up at 270 while my 3*s are from 230 down to 195 making them useless in a fight.
    Doesn't matter what reasoning you are using to justify it. Can you champ? Yes. + Are you champing? No. = Softcapping!! Just hoard your cp and lt, and start champing your 4s!!! They are way more fun to use than the 3s anyway. Oh, and we don't play to not progress!!! 
    Maybe he's just playing to have fun.  Ever thought of that?

    Let's also take away the negative connotation of soft-capping.  It doesn't hurt you if he soft caps.  If he wants to sell covers, that's his choice.  Not everyone plays for blood.
    Haha!! OK, whatever, play how you like. Just don't come on the forums complaining about vaulting/ cover waste when you're doing it to yourself by softcapping!!!! 
  • Nick441234
    Nick441234 Posts: 1,496 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited June 2017
    Milk Jugz said:
    nick_chicane said:
    Milk Jugz said:
    With your signature quote, I'm a little surprised that's where you went with your comment fightmaster. He fully admits to softcapping..... Stop softcapping and end your cover waste!! Or hoard your CP and LT until you are ready to champ your 4s
    I dont class what I'm doing as soft capping. If I was soft capping my 4*s would be set at a much lower level than the current 240 I have them at. Soft cappers are people who deliberately leave their rosters at low levels so they can get lower scaling. What I'm doing has nothing to do with my scaling, I just want my 3*s to remain relevant rather than having my 4*s up at 270 while my 3*s are from 230 down to 195 making them useless in a fight.
    Doesn't matter what reasoning you are using to justify it. Can you champ? Yes. + Are you champing? No. = Softcapping!! Just hoard your cp and lt, and start champing your 4s!!! They are way more fun to use than the 3s anyway. Oh, and we don't play to not progress!!! 
    Absolute rubbish. If progress is making over half your roster useless, then thats progress no one should have any interest in. 
  • Nick441234
    Nick441234 Posts: 1,496 Chairperson of the Boards
    New McG said:
    nick_chicane said:
    Milk Jugz said:
    With your signature quote, I'm a little surprised that's where you went with your comment fightmaster. He fully admits to softcapping..... Stop softcapping and end your cover waste!! Or hoard your CP and LT until you are ready to champ your 4s
    I dont class what I'm doing as soft capping. If I was soft capping my 4*s would be set at a much lower level than the current 240 I have them at. Soft cappers are people who deliberately leave their rosters at low levels so they can get lower scaling. What I'm doing has nothing to do with my scaling, I just want my 3*s to remain relevant rather than having my 4*s up at 270 while my 3*s are from 230 down to 195 making them useless in a fight.
    I have a bit of bad news for you: Those 3*s? They max at 266. Your 4*s START gaining champ levels at 4 levels above where those STOP gaining them. One group was specifically designed to have more raw power behind it. Stifling your roster to keep the third most powerful tier of characters "relevant" is an exercise in futility.
    I am aware of that, but it will still be some time yet before my 3*s get to 266 so I will enjoy it until then. 
  • Milk Jugz
    Milk Jugz Posts: 1,122 Chairperson of the Boards
    nick_chicane said:
    Milk Jugz said:
    nick_chicane said:
    Milk Jugz said:
    With your signature quote, I'm a little surprised that's where you went with your comment fightmaster. He fully admits to softcapping..... Stop softcapping and end your cover waste!! Or hoard your CP and LT until you are ready to champ your 4s
    I dont class what I'm doing as soft capping. If I was soft capping my 4*s would be set at a much lower level than the current 240 I have them at. Soft cappers are people who deliberately leave their rosters at low levels so they can get lower scaling. What I'm doing has nothing to do with my scaling, I just want my 3*s to remain relevant rather than having my 4*s up at 270 while my 3*s are from 230 down to 195 making them useless in a fight.
    Doesn't matter what reasoning you are using to justify it. Can you champ? Yes. + Are you champing? No. = Softcapping!! Just hoard your cp and lt, and start champing your 4s!!! They are way more fun to use than the 3s anyway. Oh, and we don't play to not progress!!! 
    Absolute rubbish. If progress is making over half your roster useless, then thats progress I have no interest in. 
    They are not useless. You still have DDQ with the 3* required. You still have 3* PVP. They are still needed for essential nodes and farming to feed the better 4*s. I can accept having no interest in the 5* tier, but the 4* outshine the 3s so greatly I can't get behind your reasoning. Seriously, just start champing them - you won't regret it!!! 
  • NewMcG
    NewMcG Posts: 368 Mover and Shaker
    nick_chicane said:
    New McG said:
    nick_chicane said:
    Milk Jugz said:
    With your signature quote, I'm a little surprised that's where you went with your comment fightmaster. He fully admits to softcapping..... Stop softcapping and end your cover waste!! Or hoard your CP and LT until you are ready to champ your 4s
    I dont class what I'm doing as soft capping. If I was soft capping my 4*s would be set at a much lower level than the current 240 I have them at. Soft cappers are people who deliberately leave their rosters at low levels so they can get lower scaling. What I'm doing has nothing to do with my scaling, I just want my 3*s to remain relevant rather than having my 4*s up at 270 while my 3*s are from 230 down to 195 making them useless in a fight.
    I have a bit of bad news for you: Those 3*s? They max at 266. Your 4*s START gaining champ levels at 4 levels above where those STOP gaining them. One group was specifically designed to have more raw power behind it. Stifling your roster to keep the third most powerful tier of characters "relevant" is an exercise in futility.
    I am aware of that, but it will still be some time yet before my 3*s get to 266 so I will enjoy it until then. 
    And I assume that during the same time you will also cease the complaints about useless cover pulls, since you've now shown you are actively going out of your way to ensure they remain useless?
  • Milk Jugz
    Milk Jugz Posts: 1,122 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited June 2017
    @Nick_chicane

    Just for full disclosure I am anti-vaulting myself, it has forced me to hoard cp and lt to avoid waste because I champ ALL my 4s, not just the ones d3 say you're going to pull. I'm not coming at you from a standpoint that I like vaulting, just that if your compliant about vaulting is cover waste and you are actively doing something with your roster that promotes said waste I can't get behind your reasoning. 

    I'll say it again, just champ them already!! The 4* tier is way more fun and the 3s won't be useless. Just make sure you're hoarding until you get the latest done and you won't be wasting covers anymore.
     
    Most of all, just have fun playing!!!! 
  • beyonderbub
    beyonderbub Posts: 662 Critical Contributor
    bbigler said:

    Let's also take away the negative connotation of soft-capping.  It doesn't hurt you if he soft caps.  If he wants to sell covers, that's his choice.  Not everyone plays for blood.
    He hurts me if were in the same bracket and he does his 4x clear in 45 min vs lvl 200 opponents bc he found the softcapper sweet spot in scaling while I'm taking an hour and 15 min to beat the same nodes bc I'm fighting lvl 320-400 opponents and I'm not lucky enough to have champed 5* Thanos on my side. Regardless, I personally have no problems with how you level your roster but I can't accept that it doesn't hurt PVE competition. Oh, and let's take away the negative connotation of those who are dedicated/committed enough and choose to play optimally. One should be able to do that without being labeled a cutthroat. Thanks. 
  • The rockett
    The rockett Posts: 2,016 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited June 2017
    Made me think a bit.  Will go off script for one of these. 

    1.  Have D3/Demi actually enforce their own rules in their EULA.  Plus more transparency when exploits are found with wide spread cheating.
    2. Colorless covers.  It is not that hard. 


  • Fightmastermpq
    Fightmastermpq Posts: 995 Critical Contributor
    lol, @Milk Jugz, Now you know why I responded the way I did.  It's clear this dude has no interest is playing efficiently or competitively. Just trying to help him realize that he is creating his own problems by pointing out some solutions that address the root of his issues.  It's unfortunate that he will never convince himself that he is making his 4s irrelevant by leaving them low enough to keep his 3s relevant.
  • BlackBoltRocks
    BlackBoltRocks Posts: 1,202 Chairperson of the Boards
    I have to agree with everything @Milk Jugz said. I champed my first 4* (Thorrina) at the end of September 2016, when my 3* were no higher than the lv180s. Did she make my 3* irrelevant? Not at all. Sure, scaling increased, but it was nowhere near unmanageable. My next champed 4* (in order) were Hulkbuster, IW, Nova, Starlord, Cyclops. Those six helped me advance exponentially in the game in all areas. And all the while my 3* were there to supplement them.

    Progressing into 4* land is something you will never regret doing. And as Milk Jugz said, the 4* tier is so much more fun than the 3* one. Once you have that core group (since we're vaulted, focus on the great ones like Carol, Medusa, Blade, Coulson, Grocket) you'll find an increase in the overall quality of your gameplay. Sure, you'll have iso issues like everyone else. But that's small change for the benefits of having championed 4*
  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    Should totally go all the way and keep everyone at level 40.
    Think of all the fun to be had with 1* characters!
    Sell every 4 since they start at level 70, and softcap to 40, people!

  • Nick441234
    Nick441234 Posts: 1,496 Chairperson of the Boards
    New McG said:
    nick_chicane said:
    New McG said:
    nick_chicane said:
    Milk Jugz said:
    With your signature quote, I'm a little surprised that's where you went with your comment fightmaster. He fully admits to softcapping..... Stop softcapping and end your cover waste!! Or hoard your CP and LT until you are ready to champ your 4s
    I dont class what I'm doing as soft capping. If I was soft capping my 4*s would be set at a much lower level than the current 240 I have them at. Soft cappers are people who deliberately leave their rosters at low levels so they can get lower scaling. What I'm doing has nothing to do with my scaling, I just want my 3*s to remain relevant rather than having my 4*s up at 270 while my 3*s are from 230 down to 195 making them useless in a fight.
    I have a bit of bad news for you: Those 3*s? They max at 266. Your 4*s START gaining champ levels at 4 levels above where those STOP gaining them. One group was specifically designed to have more raw power behind it. Stifling your roster to keep the third most powerful tier of characters "relevant" is an exercise in futility.
    I am aware of that, but it will still be some time yet before my 3*s get to 266 so I will enjoy it until then. 
    And I assume that during the same time you will also cease the complaints about useless cover pulls, since you've now shown you are actively going out of your way to ensure they remain useless?
    No, because even if I champed everyone I'd still end up with useless covers since you cant champ everyone at the same time. With a larger pool of characters useless covers would still be far less. 
  • Nick441234
    Nick441234 Posts: 1,496 Chairperson of the Boards
    beyonderbub said:
    bbigler said:

    Let's also take away the negative connotation of soft-capping.  It doesn't hurt you if he soft caps.  If he wants to sell covers, that's his choice.  Not everyone plays for blood.
    He hurts me if were in the same bracket and he does his 4x clear in 45 min vs lvl 200 opponents bc he found the softcapper sweet spot in scaling while I'm taking an hour and 15 min to beat the same nodes bc I'm fighting lvl 320-400 opponents and I'm not lucky enough to have champed 5* Thanos on my side. Regardless, I personally have no problems with how you level your roster but I can't accept that it doesn't hurt PVE competition. Oh, and let's take away the negative connotation of those who are dedicated/committed enough and choose to play optimally. One should be able to do that without being labeled a cutthroat. Thanks. 
    My scaling maxes out at 308, with no usable 5*s, so I definitely dont get easy fights. 
  • NewMcG
    NewMcG Posts: 368 Mover and Shaker
    nick_chicane said:
    New McG said:
    nick_chicane said:
    New McG said:
    nick_chicane said:
    Milk Jugz said:
    With your signature quote, I'm a little surprised that's where you went with your comment fightmaster. He fully admits to softcapping..... Stop softcapping and end your cover waste!! Or hoard your CP and LT until you are ready to champ your 4s
    I dont class what I'm doing as soft capping. If I was soft capping my 4*s would be set at a much lower level than the current 240 I have them at. Soft cappers are people who deliberately leave their rosters at low levels so they can get lower scaling. What I'm doing has nothing to do with my scaling, I just want my 3*s to remain relevant rather than having my 4*s up at 270 while my 3*s are from 230 down to 195 making them useless in a fight.
    I have a bit of bad news for you: Those 3*s? They max at 266. Your 4*s START gaining champ levels at 4 levels above where those STOP gaining them. One group was specifically designed to have more raw power behind it. Stifling your roster to keep the third most powerful tier of characters "relevant" is an exercise in futility.
    I am aware of that, but it will still be some time yet before my 3*s get to 266 so I will enjoy it until then. 
    And I assume that during the same time you will also cease the complaints about useless cover pulls, since you've now shown you are actively going out of your way to ensure they remain useless?
    No, because even if I champed everyone I'd still end up with useless covers since you cant champ everyone at the same time. With a larger pool of characters useless covers would still be far less. 
    Just because you want to stifle your 4* at the expense of keeping 3* "relevant", doesn't mean anyone else does. Sadly, just like 2* characters eventually get passed by, the same happens to 3*. They're middle of the road characters, and meant to be such. You're just insistent on delaying the inevitable.
  • Ayasugi-san
    Ayasugi-san Posts: 116 Tile Toppler
    I'd put all the currently vaulted 4*s in the Classic Legends store as a trial solution to vaulting.
  • Fightmastermpq
    Fightmastermpq Posts: 995 Critical Contributor
    Ayasugi-san said:
    I'd put all the currently vaulted 4*s in the Classic Legends store as a trial solution to vaulting.
    Why not just make a Vintage Legends token alongside the Classic one that does the same thing?  I'd rather not have my progress in the 5* tier be subject to dilution in the 4* tier.
  • bbigler
    bbigler Posts: 2,111 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited June 2017
    Milk Jugz said:
    bbigler said:

    Maybe he's just playing to have fun.  Ever thought of that?

    Let's also take away the negative connotation of soft-capping.  It doesn't hurt you if he soft caps.  If he wants to sell covers, that's his choice.  Not everyone plays for blood.
    Haha!! OK, whatever, play how you like. Just don't come on the forums complaining about vaulting/ cover waste when you're doing it to yourself by softcapping!!!! 
    You're mistaken.  Just because I respect his decisions, does not mean that I do those things myself.  Unlike many people on this forum, I can respect personal preferences that are different from my own. 
  • bbigler
    bbigler Posts: 2,111 Chairperson of the Boards
    beyonderbub said:
    bbigler said:

    Let's also take away the negative connotation of soft-capping.  It doesn't hurt you if he soft caps.  If he wants to sell covers, that's his choice.  Not everyone plays for blood.
    He hurts me if were in the same bracket and he does his 4x clear in 45 min vs lvl 200 opponents bc he found the softcapper sweet spot in scaling while I'm taking an hour and 15 min to beat the same nodes bc I'm fighting lvl 320-400 opponents and I'm not lucky enough to have champed 5* Thanos on my side. Regardless, I personally have no problems with how you level your roster but I can't accept that it doesn't hurt PVE competition. Oh, and let's take away the negative connotation of those who are dedicated/committed enough and choose to play optimally. One should be able to do that without being labeled a cutthroat. Thanks. 
    There's a fine line between dedicated and addicted.  So, it sounds like you're angry that he was smarter than you by soft-capping because of the PVE scaling problems.  If you want to blame someone, look at D3, not this guy. 
  • bbigler
    bbigler Posts: 2,111 Chairperson of the Boards
    nick_chicane said:
    beyonderbub said:
    bbigler said:

    Let's also take away the negative connotation of soft-capping.  It doesn't hurt you if he soft caps.  If he wants to sell covers, that's his choice.  Not everyone plays for blood.
    He hurts me if were in the same bracket and he does his 4x clear in 45 min vs lvl 200 opponents bc he found the softcapper sweet spot in scaling while I'm taking an hour and 15 min to beat the same nodes bc I'm fighting lvl 320-400 opponents and I'm not lucky enough to have champed 5* Thanos on my side. Regardless, I personally have no problems with how you level your roster but I can't accept that it doesn't hurt PVE competition. Oh, and let's take away the negative connotation of those who are dedicated/committed enough and choose to play optimally. One should be able to do that without being labeled a cutthroat. Thanks. 
    My scaling maxes out at 308, with no usable 5*s, so I definitely dont get easy fights. 
    I concur, I face level 330 dudes with my 4* roster.

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