Vhailorx wrote: He is just more common because of age and grinding utility. Perception does not equal reality. OML is not on every 5* team.
DFiPL wrote: If anything happens to OML, the overreaction is going to be strong.
TheXMan wrote: Maybe at this point based on availability. But a well known player with all 5 stars maxed has OML ranked 5th. There is a thread under character discussion. So does OML get a nerf like xforce did and then never get buffed back up when a bunch of 5 stars pass him up?
SnowcaTT wrote: Nerfing OML can't come fast enough. When Rulk was boosted, I saw the following question a couple times: "Rulk or Phoenix?". ...not "OML or Phoenix" ...not "OML or Rulk". Nope, OML is just assumed to -always- be the character that will never leave the lineup. Something has to be done about that. [Oh, and Rulk is way more annoying of a 4* than JG or Iceman or Cyc or whomever else is being discussed as a potential 4* nerf].
Vhailorx wrote: Blahah: OML is not better than the other 5*s. He was the first very good 5* released, so relatively more people focused on collecting him. And he also undermines the healing mechanic in the game (and this is a game yhats all about grinding, so that is very valuable). But it seems pretty clear that oml is not significantly better tha, some other very strong 5*s (There are posts all over the boards and on line arguing variously that bss, gg, phoenix, im46, and BB are better than oml). He is just more common because of age and grinding utility. Perception does not equal reality. OML is not on every 5* team. There are just very few 5* players who have newer 5*s at a comparable level. I suspect that the ones that do use non-oml teams pretty often. The fact that he is seen most often doesn't mean that he is the best. And if collecting characters that are available and then using them make characters overpowered, then we should all just wait until each tier has 10 or 20 characters before we start collecting covers.
tiomono wrote: Logan needs nerfed period. Preferably they shave the godliness off his covers at low levels and leave him alone at 5 covers. If he is the same fully covered as he is right now, but not immediately better than every other character when he is 1-1-1 lvl 255 they are on to something good.
TheVulture wrote: From a 3* playing perspective, this seems like fun news - the 3* tier has been static for so long now, there must be metrics (or at least an easy consensus) on which characters no one is willingly playing. 100% Second Kirk Justice's call for Spider-man to be reworked! Can't be a bone of contention that a character with no offense and weak support = benchwarmer personified.
jobob wrote: tiomono wrote: Logan needs nerfed period. Preferably they shave the godliness off his covers at low levels and leave him alone at 5 covers. If he is the same fully covered as he is right now, but not immediately better than every other character when he is 1-1-1 lvl 255 they are on to something good. Now, THIS ^^^ is a fair and accurate point. When comparing under covered and under leveled 5*... OML gains power much, much more quickly. If we are comparing 1/1/1 lvl 270 5*... Then no question OML is waaaay over powered. A lvl 420 Phoenix who is 5/1/5 is still pretty weak. By contrast, any 420 OML is very solid. If they nerf covers to bring the power curve more in line with other 5*, I would see that as a positive change, as long as it isn't also a nerf to a fully covered OML.
Blahahah wrote: jobob wrote: tiomono wrote: Logan needs nerfed period. Preferably they shave the godliness off his covers at low levels and leave him alone at 5 covers. If he is the same fully covered as he is right now, but not immediately better than every other character when he is 1-1-1 lvl 255 they are on to something good. Now, THIS ^^^ is a fair and accurate point. When comparing under covered and under leveled 5*... OML gains power much, much more quickly. If we are comparing 1/1/1 lvl 270 5*... Then no question OML is waaaay over powered. A lvl 420 Phoenix who is 5/1/5 is still pretty weak. By contrast, any 420 OML is very solid. If they nerf covers to bring the power curve more in line with other 5*, I would see that as a positive change, as long as it isn't also a nerf to a fully covered OML. The problem I have with the logic is, as I said, they'll likely shave away some survival but might compensate his post-transform abilities. Instead of him never wanting to change form, instead he is a character where changing form is an aim. Is that a nerf if 5/3/5 suddenly becomes better than 5/5/3 because you're no longer simply using him as a meat shield that spits out swords? You're talking downgrading, I'm talking change of direction. Take him from being a character you just have for the sake of having, and make him a character you choose to use for his purpose.
Merrick wrote: Using the usage metric to declare certain characters as overpowered is wrong. There are several characters that are part of a great team but alone are not so wonderful. Prime examples would be IM40, Iron Fist, & Scarlet Witch. IM40 gets used a lot. But always as a feeder for other characters. He is not scary by himself. I can't think of the last time I have seen Iron Fist if he wasn't paired either with Hulkbuster, Luke Cage, or OML. And you almost never see Scarlet Witch unless she is paired with Red Hulk or part of Charlie's Angels. The fact that these characters are great secondary characters and can play well with others,means they get used more than others characters. It does not mean they are overpowered by themselves.
tiomono wrote: Blahahah wrote: jobob wrote: tiomono wrote: Logan needs nerfed period. Preferably they shave the godliness off his covers at low levels and leave him alone at 5 covers. If he is the same fully covered as he is right now, but not immediately better than every other character when he is 1-1-1 lvl 255 they are on to something good. Now, THIS ^^^ is a fair and accurate point. When comparing under covered and under leveled 5*... OML gains power much, much more quickly. If we are comparing 1/1/1 lvl 270 5*... Then no question OML is waaaay over powered. A lvl 420 Phoenix who is 5/1/5 is still pretty weak. By contrast, any 420 OML is very solid. If they nerf covers to bring the power curve more in line with other 5*, I would see that as a positive change, as long as it isn't also a nerf to a fully covered OML. The problem I have with the logic is, as I said, they'll likely shave away some survival but might compensate his post-transform abilities. Instead of him never wanting to change form, instead he is a character where changing form is an aim. Is that a nerf if 5/3/5 suddenly becomes better than 5/5/3 because you're no longer simply using him as a meat shield that spits out swords? You're talking downgrading, I'm talking change of direction. Take him from being a character you just have for the sake of having, and make him a character you choose to use for his purpose. But what if all his numbers from 3 covers on are untouched? What if they just shave power from the 2 cover and below Logans that are on nearly every stinking team I face. "I'm the best there is at what I do, but what I do best isn't very nice" What he does best is suck the fun out of the game for anyone that does not have 4 or 5 fully covered 5*s. Because he is too versatile and op early on.
Q: How strong will 5-Star characters be? A: 5-Star characters will be usable as soon as you earn them. Where 3 and 4-Stars need 8 to 10 covers before they match the power of a maxed 2-Star or 3-Star, 5-Star characters need only a few covers to match the power of a maxed 4-Star.