BlackBoltRocks wrote: Vhailorx wrote: The good news: Pending more details, the powers precis suggests this character will be very strong. The bad news: Red/yellow/blue is already well reported in the 4* and 5* play space. Power creep seems very real. This is the KK/Cylcops/IF/Cage phase of 4* growth. The value of older, 'pretty good' 4*s is plummeting (kingpin, carnage, ant-man, flaptain, etc). I would think the smart play is to not champ them at all and save iso for the top tiers and the power creep-y new releases (***vhailorx said irritably having champed kingpin 2 weeks ago. . . ). Dang i was planning to champ Elektra and Invisible Woman
Vhailorx wrote: The good news: Pending more details, the powers precis suggests this character will be very strong. The bad news: Red/yellow/blue is already well reported in the 4* and 5* play space. Power creep seems very real. This is the KK/Cylcops/IF/Cage phase of 4* growth. The value of older, 'pretty good' 4*s is plummeting (kingpin, carnage, ant-man, flaptain, etc). I would think the smart play is to not champ them at all and save iso for the top tiers and the power creep-y new releases (***vhailorx said irritably having champed kingpin 2 weeks ago. . . ).
Thorin radd wrote: Avarice13 wrote: TLCstormz wrote: Are there any characters in the have who DO use Cap's colors? 4* Thor, 3* Magneto and 1* Iron Man are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head. There's no way it's another iron man and I highly doubt it's a 4* Magneto because it says A Hero Reimagined.. Mags isn't much on the hero spectrum lol. And 2 4* Thors would be strange plus the powers don't fit Thor if you ask me. Captain Hydra is my vote. Also 4Clops, Flaptain Im40, 5StarIM, vision,
Avarice13 wrote: TLCstormz wrote: Are there any characters in the have who DO use Cap's colors? 4* Thor, 3* Magneto and 1* Iron Man are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head. There's no way it's another iron man and I highly doubt it's a 4* Magneto because it says A Hero Reimagined.. Mags isn't much on the hero spectrum lol. And 2 4* Thors would be strange plus the powers don't fit Thor if you ask me. Captain Hydra is my vote.
TLCstormz wrote: Are there any characters in the have who DO use Cap's colors?
Vhailorx wrote: They weren't worth champ'ing before (on which we agree if am reading the tone of your post correctly!). But this recent string of strong 4* releases. Is rendering the next tier up in 4* land almost as irrelevant. Why bother rustling up CD tiles for Kingpin's black when Kate bishop's does about as much damage/ap and is less contingent. And punisher max does wildly more damage if you generate enough strike tiles (which already provide a benefit to you and aren't consumed by punisher's black).
Vhailorx wrote: The question is what to do if you already have some 4* champs (especially if they are strong ones), and are starting to fully cover some mid tier 4*s like thing and KP. And I am starting to think that's no longer worth it. The marginal added value of an extra boosted 4* every once in a while doesn't seem worth the massive opportunity cost in iso. Yes, it takes 6-8 months of steady play to max a 4*, but it also takes most players months to get enough iso to champ a single 4*. I think that once you can play at the 4* tier in PVP and pve, it's no longer worth using resources to level any more 4*s above 200 unless they are top tier. A new character (i.e. another 360k iso hole) comes along every 2 weeks. And even grinding like crazy it's impossible to earn iso at that pace.
spectator wrote: Keeping an eye on the boost list and champing more unique characters is probably the better way of going about it. Kingpin for example is a great character to max simply because he is the only yellow accelerator in the game. If you're going to hoard iso for 6 to 8 months, you may find yourself quitting before you get to max a new high tier 4* simply due to boredom or lack of progression outside of your iso count going up
Avarice13 wrote: 4* Captain Marvel i guess could be a possibility. But im still voting captain hydra
Vhailorx wrote: So the bottom line is that my current plan is to stockpile iso and eschew all but the best 4*s for the foreseeable future. Once I am sitting on enough iso to easily champ the next strong 4*s that i might cover in the short term, I will feel more comfortable spending iso on mid tier 4*s and champ'ing my last few 3*s.
Vhailorx wrote: spectator wrote: Keeping an eye on the boost list and champing more unique characters is probably the better way of going about it. Kingpin for example is a great character to max simply because he is the only yellow accelerator in the game. If you're going to hoard iso for 6 to 8 months, you may find yourself quitting before you get to max a new high tier 4* simply due to boredom or lack of progression outside of your iso count going up KP is a great example on which I can speak with personal experience, I built up a decent stockpile of iso during civil war and the the double xp event and recently had to choose between champ'ing KP, or ant-man (for 60k more iso), or standing pat and waiting for one of my next wave of top tier 4*s to get 13/13 covers (cyclops, jg, iceman, thing all at 10 or 11 over the next two weeks, nova at 8). I took the middle path and champed kp. He's fine. But I kinda regret it. Have an extra 20k body while he was boosted was nice. But I already had better options for just about every game scenario (even with only 4 other 4* champs: imhb, 4*thor, xfw, xpool). But the opportunity cost was fairly high. KP doesn't really let me do anything that I couldn't do before I champed him. So the marginal benefit of champ'ing him is fairly small. But, if I get a lucky couple of pulls over the next few weeks I could champ 1 or 2 clear 4* studs and not have the iso to champ them immediately. That's a bit a guaranteed outcome at all, but if it happens than the opportunity cost of champ'ing KP would be very high in retrospect. So the bottom line is that my current plan is to stockpile iso and eschew all but the best 4*s for the foreseeable future. Once I am sitting on enough iso to easily champ the next strong 4*s that i might cover in the short term, I will feel more comfortable spending iso on mid tier 4*s and champ'ing my last few 3*s.
spectator wrote: Vhailorx wrote: spectator wrote: Keeping an eye on the boost list and champing more unique characters is probably the better way of going about it. Kingpin for example is a great character to max simply because he is the only yellow accelerator in the game. If you're going to hoard iso for 6 to 8 months, you may find yourself quitting before you get to max a new high tier 4* simply due to boredom or lack of progression outside of your iso count going up KP is a great example on which I can speak with personal experience, I built up a decent stockpile of iso during civil war and the the double xp event and recently had to choose between champ'ing KP, or ant-man (for 60k more iso), or standing pat and waiting for one of my next wave of top tier 4*s to get 13/13 covers (cyclops, jg, iceman, thing all at 10 or 11 over the next two weeks, nova at 8). I took the middle path and champed kp. He's fine. But I kinda regret it. Have an extra 20k body while he was boosted was nice. But I already had better options for just about every game scenario (even with only 4 other 4* champs: imhb, 4*thor, xfw, xpool). But the opportunity cost was fairly high. KP doesn't really let me do anything that I couldn't do before I champed him. So the marginal benefit of champ'ing him is fairly small. But, if I get a lucky couple of pulls over the next few weeks I could champ 1 or 2 clear 4* studs and not have the iso to champ them immediately. That's a bit a guaranteed outcome at all, but if it happens than the opportunity cost of champ'ing KP would be very high in retrospect. So the bottom line is that my current plan is to stockpile iso and eschew all but the best 4*s for the foreseeable future. Once I am sitting on enough iso to easily champ the next strong 4*s that i might cover in the short term, I will feel more comfortable spending iso on mid tier 4*s and champ'ing my last few 3*s. It sounds like you regret spending the iso that you dont really have a better use for then and still do not have a better use for now. The problem with hoarding is there will always be something better to use it on in the future and you end up never using it. Reminds me of how i tend to play jrpg games, i never use health potion because i figured ill need them for a bigger battle and by the time i feel comfortable using them, they have little effect on the state of my current characters.
Vhailorx wrote: Spectator, you are stating the downside risk of any strategy centered on stockpiling resources. But i am not advocating hoarding for ever, or hoarding for hoarding's sake. My,main point is that if demiurge is going to release stronger 4*s as we reach the end of that tier, then we players have to adjust our value perceptions about mid tier 4*s and prioritize resources accordingly. Iso is too scarce to do much else.
Vhailorx wrote: Not quite atomzed, I think you should be stockpiling iso for (1) the next good 5* that you can level up to 400ish (Phoenix would be a good option!); or (2) the next really good 4* that you cover (i would say that list is currently iceman, cyclops, rulk, jg, imhb, nova, quake, punisher. And probably x-23, xpool, and thing since they have very useful passives. Recent releases may be added to the list when the community gets more experience with them).
My thinking is that there will never be enough iso to level everyone (unless demiurge makes some big changes). And once a player has a core of 3-5 decent 4* champs, the marginal value of adding another mid tier champ is really small.
Sure, it will take months to cover new players, and it might seem silly to sell of excess covers for a mid tier 4* when you have the iso to champ them. But the opportunity cost is too high if the new 4* champ won't really change your ability to achieve your in-game goals.