Phantron wrote: There isn't a good way to build a good team around her because her color coverage is one of the most common that you're bound to run into a 'soandso can do this better'. For PvP she is immediately marginalized in any event you have a featured character above around level 120. For PvE any consideration for red runs into Captain America, who is probably the #1 PvE character in the game. For green/black, the number of characters that does this color coverage well is significant. For anti-goon purposes, you also run into Falcon and friends, who mows down goons very easily. Now if you're missing all the characters who are on top of their respective roles she's interchangeable with someone like HT or Punisher, but you're more likely to have either of those two covered than she is because she's newer. If everyone gets a max covered/leveled Gamora it's still not clear if she'd be any better than either of those two and you certainly don't have that.
Phaserhawk wrote: Well let's run theoretical's. Say you are able to match green and black 4 times for 12 each and you also matched red 4 times but got some 4 matches and you had 15. 5/5/3--1868 AoE--2439(3) 5/3/5--2480 AoE--2256 (3) 3/5/5--2028 AoE--3051 (3) 4/5/4--2057 AoE--2628 (3)
simonsez wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: Well let's run theoretical's. Say you are able to match green and black 4 times for 12 each and you also matched red 4 times but got some 4 matches and you had 15. 5/5/3--1868 AoE--2439(3) 5/3/5--2480 AoE--2256 (3) 3/5/5--2028 AoE--3051 (3) 4/5/4--2057 AoE--2628 (3) So for 12G, 12Bk, 15R, you can do a total of 15k damage, as long as you cripple your team enough and get a good enough board, so that she tanks enough to get 9 strike tiles out. Or you could run a 2nd tier team like Patch, BP, and Deadpool, and use 9G, 12Bk, 12R to hit Beserker Rage, 2 LotP, and RotP and about 24k total damage. I seriously don't get all this discussion trying to prove she's not as awful as most everyone thinks she is.
Lerysh wrote: 4/5/4 was always the best damage build because 5 is utility. To me, that utility is worth giving up some damage on especially with how situational it is. I run Daken/Patch/Psylocke a lot. I like Pyslocke more than the average player I think, her cheap abilities pair well with Daken/Patch strike tiles and the two of them regen so you can sustain long play sessions. Daken/Patch/Gamora is more damage for less colors. Now all I need is Green/Red/Blue, forget Black. Yes it means the board can screw me a bit more but it also accelerates matches which is good. If she were fully leveled and put in front Gamora would only tank Green in this situation. Her is worthless to me. Since I already like Pyslocke more than the average player I suspect I will like Gamora more than the average player. You could construct a team around her using and it might be good. I'm just not going to do it. Human Torch puts out 1808 in for 10 Black. It's incorrect to say Gamora's can put out better sustained damage than either Punisher or Torch. Gamora Punisher and Human Torch all occupy relatively the same niche. R/G/B characters who have 3 damage powers and a high damage That doesn't make any of them any less useful. Every character you can sub in when a piece of your team goes down is one less health pack you need that cycle. Think of it this way, would you rather have 2 Punishers on your roster or a Punisher and a Gamora?
Phaserhawk wrote: Obviously there are better teams, and none of this is to say how good she is, for me it's how best to maximize her skills
NorthernPolarity wrote: ark123 wrote: NorthernPolarity wrote: ark123 wrote: And BP would be a thousand times better than her. And xf ladythor is a thousand times better than any other character duo in the game, whats your point? I'm comparing yellow strike tile generating, AoE causing 3* characters with big spells that cost 12 black. Don't be purposely dense. I've seen your math thread, I know you're not dumb. You're comparing Gamora to one of the strongest characters in the game. Saying that "Gamora is worse than BP" is a pretty bad argument because 90% of 3*s fall under the exact same category. It seems like for you, "average" tier is the exact same thing as "trash tier".
ark123 wrote: NorthernPolarity wrote: ark123 wrote: And BP would be a thousand times better than her. And xf ladythor is a thousand times better than any other character duo in the game, whats your point? I'm comparing yellow strike tile generating, AoE causing 3* characters with big spells that cost 12 black. Don't be purposely dense. I've seen your math thread, I know you're not dumb.
NorthernPolarity wrote: ark123 wrote: And BP would be a thousand times better than her. And xf ladythor is a thousand times better than any other character duo in the game, whats your point?
ark123 wrote: And BP would be a thousand times better than her.
simonsez wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: Obviously there are better teams, and none of this is to say how good she is, for me it's how best to maximize her skills Fair enough... I just see her as so far down in the pecking order, it'll be forever until she becomes one's best use of ISO, so best build seems pretty moot.
Phantron wrote: By the way I don't think not being special is necessarily bad. If everyone is special then it's the same as no one is specail. If Gamora was the first R/G/black character and Punisher is new we might be saying why bother with Punisher because he covers the same role as Gamora. But since she's not the first R/G/black character that's what she has to live with.
ark123 wrote: Wait I was wrong, you can totally get value from her black. lol.