@JoeHandle said: @entrailbucket said: @JoeHandle said: @entrailbucket said:@DAZ0273 I really don't want them to cater to me. I'm using me as an example. The problem is not that m'Thor beats my teams and I'm mad about it. The problem is that m'Thor beats literally any team of any level. I think that's not terribly great for a game that has 300 characters or whatever and keeps releasing new ones. They can't tell us those new guys matter when one character can dominate like she does. Deleteing mThor won't improve the dreck they've been releasing. Yes, 90% of everything is ****, and MPQ has been doing its part to demonstrate. Continuing to let older releases (that once had utility!) moulder ... characters sliding from "use when boosted" down to "well, at least they have champ rewards ..." ... isn't helping the game's diversity, either. I agree with this. But a big part of why these characters LOOK like dreck is that we're comparing them (rightly) to characters that are crazy strong. Is it faster/easier to knock down a few crazy strong guys, or buff 300 mediocre ones? Reminds me of ... story time! No ... they're dreck because they're dreck Taking away the smoothest rolling wheel won't make the square wheels roll any smoother. Stop cluttering up the game with quadrilateral "wheels" ... and put some air in the oldest, neglected tires.
@JoeHandle said:
@entrailbucket said: @JoeHandle said: @entrailbucket said:@DAZ0273 I really don't want them to cater to me. I'm using me as an example. The problem is not that m'Thor beats my teams and I'm mad about it. The problem is that m'Thor beats literally any team of any level. I think that's not terribly great for a game that has 300 characters or whatever and keeps releasing new ones. They can't tell us those new guys matter when one character can dominate like she does. Deleteing mThor won't improve the dreck they've been releasing. Yes, 90% of everything is ****, and MPQ has been doing its part to demonstrate. Continuing to let older releases (that once had utility!) moulder ... characters sliding from "use when boosted" down to "well, at least they have champ rewards ..." ... isn't helping the game's diversity, either. I agree with this. But a big part of why these characters LOOK like dreck is that we're comparing them (rightly) to characters that are crazy strong. Is it faster/easier to knock down a few crazy strong guys, or buff 300 mediocre ones?
@entrailbucket said:
@JoeHandle said: @entrailbucket said:@DAZ0273 I really don't want them to cater to me. I'm using me as an example. The problem is not that m'Thor beats my teams and I'm mad about it. The problem is that m'Thor beats literally any team of any level. I think that's not terribly great for a game that has 300 characters or whatever and keeps releasing new ones. They can't tell us those new guys matter when one character can dominate like she does. Deleteing mThor won't improve the dreck they've been releasing. Yes, 90% of everything is ****, and MPQ has been doing its part to demonstrate. Continuing to let older releases (that once had utility!) moulder ... characters sliding from "use when boosted" down to "well, at least they have champ rewards ..." ... isn't helping the game's diversity, either.
@entrailbucket said:@DAZ0273 I really don't want them to cater to me. I'm using me as an example. The problem is not that m'Thor beats my teams and I'm mad about it. The problem is that m'Thor beats literally any team of any level. I think that's not terribly great for a game that has 300 characters or whatever and keeps releasing new ones. They can't tell us those new guys matter when one character can dominate like she does.
@entrailbucket said:@DAZ0273 I really don't want them to cater to me. I'm using me as an example.
The problem is not that m'Thor beats my teams and I'm mad about it.
The problem is that m'Thor beats literally any team of any level. I think that's not terribly great for a game that has 300 characters or whatever and keeps releasing new ones. They can't tell us those new guys matter when one character can dominate like she does.
Deleteing mThor won't improve the dreck they've been releasing. Yes, 90% of everything is ****, and MPQ has been doing its part to demonstrate.
Continuing to let older releases (that once had utility!) moulder ... characters sliding from "use when boosted" down to "well, at least they have champ rewards ..." ... isn't helping the game's diversity, either.
I agree with this. But a big part of why these characters LOOK like dreck is that we're comparing them (rightly) to characters that are crazy strong. Is it faster/easier to knock down a few crazy strong guys, or buff 300 mediocre ones?
Reminds me of ... story time!
No ... they're dreck because they're dreck
Taking away the smoothest rolling wheel won't make the square wheels roll any smoother.
Stop cluttering up the game with quadrilateral "wheels" ... and put some air in the oldest, neglected tires.
Yes, it does. None of these characters exist in a vacuum. You can't evaluate them objectively, you can only judge them against each other.
When the 5* tier was relatively new, we all used OML/Phoenix for everything, and they were great. Over time, the tier passed them by. Were they objectively "dreck" back then, even though they were the best in the game? No. They only started looking bad when their power level decreased, relative to everybody else.
If m'Thor didn't exist, or was weaker, everyone else looks better.
What is the "m'Thor" thing about anyway? I guess this is a line nickname thing or something? It is sort of really annoying to me for some reason, lol!
@DAZ0273 said: What is the "m'Thor" thing about anyway? I guess this is a line nickname thing or something? It is sort of really annoying to me for some reason, lol!
It's so that people know they are referring to the 5*MightyThor vs other Thors. There too many of them to just say "Thor". It is very helpful to know which specific character is being discussed.
Google "m'lady meme."
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@LavaManLee said: @DAZ0273 said: What is the "m'Thor" thing about anyway? I guess this is a line nickname thing or something? It is sort of really annoying to me for some reason, lol! It's so that people know they are referring to the 5*MightyThor vs other Thors. There too many of them to just say "Thor". It is very helpful to know which specific character is being discussed.
@LavaManLee said:
Oh, I just call her Jane. I know there is a 4 version but nobody uses that one.
All I can say is my baby champed Gambit is absolutely wrecking any mmmbop Thor's I am meeting, it isn't even close, so if you want easy PvP this week getcha self a Gambit!
@DAZ0273 said: All I can say is my baby champed Gambit is absolutely wrecking any mmmbop Thor's I am meeting, it isn't even close, so if you want easy PvP this week getcha self a Gambit!
Yeah, I'm seeing very few mthor teams this pvp and the ones I do are gambit fodder. With half thor fueling him red on top of his own passive she doesn't last long.
Also half thor and a big ascended juggernaut can one shot her and a big dr strange will blast her if she gets enough ap to start firing powers. This boost week is very anti Jane.
It's like the devs saw all the conversation about being sick of seeing her in pvp, and were like, have a week without her on us.
The boost list is still largely chronological for 5s (and I think 4s, but I’m not tracking it closely).
They have mixed it up a little but BP, Strange, Gambit and Thor were all released within a year of each other. It was also when 5s were rarer. Thor immediately followed Gambit. (The Hellfire boost list moved things around a bit.)
Anyway they aren’t dynamically responding to player concerns imo.
@bluewolf said: The boost list is still largely chronological for 5s (and I think 4s, but I’m not tracking it closely). They have mixed it up a little but BP, Strange, Gambit and Thor were all released within a year of each other. It was also when 5s were rarer. Thor immediately followed Gambit. (The Hellfire boost list moved things around a bit.) Anyway they aren’t dynamically responding to player concerns imo.
@bluewolf said: The boost list is still largely chronological for 5s (and I think 4s, but I’m not tracking it closely).
I was mostly joking on that last comment
@BriMan2222 said: @bluewolf said: The boost list is still largely chronological for 5s (and I think 4s, but I’m not tracking it closely). They have mixed it up a little but BP, Strange, Gambit and Thor were all released within a year of each other. It was also when 5s were rarer. Thor immediately followed Gambit. (The Hellfire boost list moved things around a bit.) Anyway they aren’t dynamically responding to player concerns imo. I was mostly joking on that last comment
@BriMan2222 said:
Shoulda caught that! Kinda suspected that….but I couldn’t stop my inner pedant, I guess.
I think is about time, thanks.
NO. Enough with this topic.
This has to be trolling
This is kinda his thing I think:
Nerf Kang: https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/88709/nerf-kang/p1 Nerf Okoye: https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/84073/nerf-okoye/p1
Same comment both times too.
Wow, if this was all it took, I could've written about 20,000 less words on here...
@BobDucca said: This is kinda his thing I think: Nerf Kang: https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/88709/nerf-kang/p1 Nerf Okoye: https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/84073/nerf-okoye/p1 Same comment both times too.
@BobDucca said: This is kinda his thing I think:
Yeah, this is why I said this must be trolling. The same guy creates a nerf whoever is popular at the time thread and then disappears into the bushes like Homer Simpson while everyone else argues.
How about no?
I have to say, I like the hashtag "ChasmDidNothingWrong," despite the fact that I thoroughly disagree with it. If Chasm wasn't nerfed I probably wouldn't still be playing, he sucked all the life out of this game and was boring as heck to fight.
Maybe he's a Chasm fan.
I think that's just part of the trolling. Saying characters like kang should be Nerfed but chasm was just fine. Next topic will be Nerf wasp.
I'm still here frens, pretty sure trolling is against the site rules so I would never do that.
Anyway, back on topic, I would gladly hear everyone thoughts on why she shouldn't be nerfed, I can give mine on why she should considering she's the most powerful character in the game and no one else comes even close, the only thing that kept her at bay after release was Chasm and after the nerf he has been found dead in a ditch in 2v2 so she has been free to run rampant since.
With that said, lets keep this thread free of ad hominem attacks and focus on the important things, like nerfing mThor.