*** Ragnarok (Dark Avengers) ***

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WHY DID THEY PROGRAM HIM TO FEEL PAIN

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This has turned into a pretty funny eulogy for our hero

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First off, I'm with forgrim here. The worst part of this isn't even the nerf -- it's the complete and utter lack of dev interaction with the community.

That said, what can I say that hasn't been said numerous times... those who are happy or okay with this nerf -- enjoy the forthcoming changes to Thor, Wolverine, OBW, Spidey, and Mags. The only one who might escape that is OBW since she's new and only powerful because of Wolverine. When he gets nerfed, she'll get nerfed as a side effect. And as they've demonstrated thrice now, they don't mess around when they nerf. Overpowered characters become the weakest.

I'm probably done with the game. I've put up with the numerous buggy releases and poorly QA'd changes, but the lack of communication topped by this -- meh. I don't see the point. I was already near the top of the power curve, they apparently have no intention of actually making 4* worthwhile, and between this change and the recent new 3*s it's pretty clear they don't actually want 3*s to be better than 2*s. And once they nerf the 2*s they won't be much better than the 1*s either.

I'll watch the forums for a bit, maybe, in the hopes that they'll actually start caring about their player base again. But given the near complete silence since the Christmas break began, I'm not hopeful.

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Add me the fogrim list of mad that they haven't said a damn thing in weeks.

Oh, and isn't it telling that just as the Lightning Rounds end, they nerf the character people used the most in them. Sure sold some shields and covers? Hrm? Man they need someone to get on this forum and talk to users. Cause this is... wow. So happy I never spent a dime on rags. Other than a lot of time and effort.

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SUPERTOM wrote:

I have a feeling all the people that are pissed have a decently leveled Raggy. I personally only have a single cover thanks to unlucky pulls. Regardless 2ap for that powerful of an attack was ridiculous just like Storms retaliation which could basically wipe out an entire team after one good attack. I don't really see it as a nerf as much as making him on par with other characters.

Imagine playing Street Fighter and Sagat could shoot 5 fire balls simultaneously with a simple button press, yet every other character could shoot one and had to do two full rotations.

The difference here is that getting Rags was NOT easy. It took time and effort to level him up and, I for one felt like I earned the fruits of my labor when I finally did. Now this feel like a spit in the face.

In your example, you are free to pick any character you like to play with. You didn't have to spend time/XP/whatever to 'level' Sagat up. Any time spent was to learn his skill based actions. So think of it like this: You sink money into the video game, spend a lot of time to master him and then an update comes and it changes the character considerably. All his 'moves' are gone and you have to relearn the character.

Not fun. Not fair.

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So is this how they'll fix the 4* characters? Nerf everyone to oblivion.

Are villains supposed to suck? Mags is the only good one left and that won't last.

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Lucky girl wrote:

The Ladder wrote:

Lucky girl wrote:

I am not much affected by this nerfing cause my rag is 2/1 and I don't try to level someone unless he has maxed abilities. Same for c storm - never leveled it, never used it.. and as it seems - never would use it lol..

Basically the only thing to be angry about is reducing the hp rewards from shield training from 500 to 100, as I was planning to get them today - like I found some other ppl had this intentions too.. That's like 800hp loss.. I blame payer players because they don't pay enough so devs force us to pay more

LOL - pull your hand out your own pocket!!! Idiotic comment.

If you are mad about the nerfing don't take it on me. Or at least nominate my comment for worst comment or smth so I can win some FREE hp and iso

I'm not mad about the nerfing, I'll live. But you really shouldn't take the piss out of the people who pay hard earned money to support the game.

And no, I'm not nominating your comment for worst comment. It speaks for itself.

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He only did damage on green and red matches, and only had two attacks (one of which was useless anyway). Yes he was a strong character, but he did have flaws. Nerfing wasnt necessary.

I personally want my money back as did not get what I paid for.

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You know what's interesting?

I would imagine they'll introduce a new third skill to Ragnarok. That'll take his level higher, and then his thunderclap will outperform Thor in terms of damage.

But I expect the third new skill will be pretty kick **** ... but since everyone is mostly maxed 5/5 on Rag, then they won't be able to max out the new skill ... unless they rebuild, since respec doesn't exist.

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Iron Batman wrote:

So is this how they'll fix the 4* characters? Nerf everyone to oblivion.

Are villains supposed to suck? Mags is the only good one left and that won't last.

I think they need to nerf thor and wolverine next so we see more variety.

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It was pretty high comedy. Too bad they replaced it.

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What did it say or try to say?

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They said they didn't want it to mimic thor's red ability so they changed it to be almost exactly like thor's red.

They also said they wanted to keep Rag's unique spammability thats why they increased the AP to 6

It was full of contradictions like that.

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doneskis wrote:

Iron Batman wrote:

So is this how they'll fix the 4* characters? Nerf everyone to oblivion.

Are villains supposed to suck? Mags is the only good one left and that won't last.

I think they need to nerf thor and wolverine next so we see more variety.

If they do that they'll alienate the rest of their player base that they haven't already completely pissed off.

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I just remember that they want a minimum 5 AP cost to abilities, and his old thunderclap was equivalent to a 12 AP cost.

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remylebeau wrote:

You know what's interesting?

I would imagine they'll introduce a new third skill to Ragnarok. That'll take his level higher, and then his thunderclap will outperform Thor in terms of damage.

But I expect the third new skill will be pretty kick **** ... but since everyone is mostly maxed 5/5 on Rag, then they won't be able to max out the new skill ... unless they rebuild, since respec doesn't exist.

He's still only got 2 tile-damage colours, so there's not really any omens that a 3rd power may be incoming.

I am still not pleased he's worse on offence than Thor now - it has only been an hour or 2 - but I can see a silver-lining that at least this on top of Invisible Woman, on top of Hulk, on top of Punisher even (perhaps) = the game is looking to centre squarely around the more obtainable, cheaper, less ISO intensive 2* characters.

I already have a max. Ragnorak and Grey Widow (2 of my only 3 max. characters - d'oh! ), but if I didn't then my gaze would firmly be upon Thor + Wolverine + 2* Black Widow and I'd still have significantly more HP/ISO than I do now.

If It weren't for the fact he sucked up so much HP/cash & ISO (soooo much), current Ragnorak is now a perfectly balanced 2* tank character.

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Yes them thinking Thunderclap should be a 12Ap ability is hilarious, when you compare it to Thor's red, Mag's purple....hell even MOONSTONE's red.

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I still believe... Rag will return someday. When the world has forgotten him.

I'll wait up for you Rag! ;{

Signed, a 2/1 lvl28 rag user

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DumDumDugn wrote:

They said they didn't want it to mimic thor's red ability so they changed it to be almost exactly like thor's red.

They also said they wanted to keep Rag's unique spammability thats why they increased the AP to 6

It was full of contradictions like that.

Kinda wish I had, but I doubt anybody capped it. It was gone pretty fast honestly.

Key things:
1. Reasons behind nerf all contradicted themselves as stated.
2. He said that rag's red was "worth 12 ap in their current guidelines"
3. Lowest ap should go in a character is 5 ap.

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doneskis wrote:

Iron Batman wrote:

So is this how they'll fix the 4* characters? Nerf everyone to oblivion.

Are villains supposed to suck? Mags is the only good one left and that won't last.

I think they need to nerf thor and wolverine next so we see more variety.

Thor could use a nerf to Mjolnir with a simultaneous buff to Call the Storm. This will allow more diverse builds other than 5/5/3 cookie cutter.

Wolvie should adjust his Claws so that it only creates 1 additional strike tile if only his Adamantium Slash is ready. This creates better build diversity between 5/5/3 for offense or 5/3/5 for defense.

Imo balance should allow not just team and character variety, but also build variety. Even if you fight 3 Thors in a row, it won't be as stale if they each had different builds, thus a slightly different way to fight them.