*** Ragnarok (Dark Avengers) ***

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ihearthawthats wrote:

doneskis wrote:

Iron Batman wrote:

So is this how they'll fix the 4* characters? Nerf everyone to oblivion.

Are villains supposed to suck? Mags is the only good one left and that won't last.

I think they need to nerf thor and wolverine next so we see more variety.

Thor could use a nerf to Mjolnir with a simultaneous buff to Call the Storm. This will allow more diverse builds other than 5/5/3 cookie cutter.

Wolvie should adjust his Claws so that it only creates 1 additional strike tile if only hid Adamantium Slash is ready. This creates better build diversity between 5/5/3 for offense ot 5/3/5 for defense.

Imo balance should allow not just team and character variety, but also build variety. Even if you fight 3 Thors in a row, it won't be as stale if they each had different builds, thus a slightly different way to fight them.

i dont want them to do any of these diverse build things until they have a respec option. it's like oh, black widows red now earns AP? well good thing i put 5 into purple!

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ihearthawthats wrote:

doneskis wrote:

Iron Batman wrote:

So is this how they'll fix the 4* characters? Nerf everyone to oblivion.

Are villains supposed to suck? Mags is the only good one left and that won't last.

I think they need to nerf thor and wolverine next so we see more variety.

Thor could use a nerf to Mjolnir with a simultaneous buff to Call the Storm. This will allow more diverse builds other than 5/5/3 cookie cutter.

Wolvie should adjust his Claws so that it only creates 1 additional strike tile if only his Adamantium Slash is ready. This creates better build diversity between 5/5/3 for offense ot 5/3/5 for defense.

Imo balance should allow not just team and character variety, but also build variety. Even if you fight 3 Thors in a row, it won't be as stale if they each had different builds, thus a slightly different way to fight them.

Yep, might as well go all the way. There should be no "optimal" build and make all builds viable or "balanced". Should have people really think hard what build to go. Punisher/hulk is probably the closest thing to having this kind of debate.

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so essentially expect nerfs in the future for anyone with a less then 5 ap cost ability?

classic mags, wolverine, spiderman are the candidates right off the top of my head

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Wish I'd seen it... ah well.

If the "current guidelines" said the old red should've been 12 AP, and 5 AP should be the minimum for any power....

Buckle up. It's going to be a bumpy ride!

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forgrim wrote:

so essentially expect nerfs in the future for anyone with a less then 5 ap cost ability?

classic mags, wolverine, spiderman are the candidates right off the top of my head

I hope they nerf mags' red if they spare his other abilities

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Iron Batman wrote:

Are villains supposed to suck? Mags is the only good one left and that won't last.

To be fair, villains are traditionally defeated by friendship, speeches, that captain planet kid with the heart ring, etc.

The lore says they suck.

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If Rags red should be 12AP then Thor's yellow should be 18? Doom's blue should be 22? Widow's green should be 30?

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basically they are redesigning around making the game just beating on each other with autoattacks, and then very occasionally the heros do a move

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Contradicting like the United States Congress.....(ooooo, winnnceeeee)

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Aluminium_Man wrote:

Iron Batman wrote:

Are villains supposed to suck? Mags is the only good one left and that won't last.

To be fair, villains are traditionally defeated by friendship, speeches, that captain planet kid with the heart ring, etc.

The lore says they suck.

Well, except doom. Doom always wins. When he doesn't, its a doombot.

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soenottelling wrote:

DumDumDugn wrote:

They said they didn't want it to mimic thor's red ability so they changed it to be almost exactly like thor's red.

They also said they wanted to keep Rag's unique spammability thats why they increased the AP to 6

It was full of contradictions like that.

Kinda wish I had, but I doubt anybody capped it. It was gone pretty fast honestly.

Key things:
1. Reasons behind nerf all contradicted themselves as stated.
2. He said that rag's red was "worth 12 ap in their current guidelines"
3. Lowest ap should go in a character is 5 ap.

So, I guess that means Spidey goes next because of #3.

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DumDumDugn wrote:

forgrim wrote:

so essentially expect nerfs in the future for anyone with a less then 5 ap cost ability?

classic mags, wolverine, spiderman are the candidates right off the top of my head

I hope they nerf mags' red if they spare his other abilities

probably fix it so his purple ability does exactly what the tooltip says (which is a nerf)

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Polkio wrote:

It is good decision. All it was before is to gather red, endless spam of red green powers of rag and dont care about any other color or character. good decision

It takes a great character that people took time to level up and makes him mid tier. It's lazy and not a good middle ground. Bumping the cost up to 4 ap would have been ok.

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Sarimrune wrote:

SUPERTOM wrote:

The difference here is that getting Rags was NOT easy. It took time and effort to level him up and, I for one felt like I earned the fruits of my labor when I finally did. Now this feel like a spit in the face.

Not fun. Not fair.

Agree with this. I worked my tail off to get a Rags with 5 red and now he is nerfed to uselessness. I expected something but not this. It would not hurt so much if it was an easy to get cover they ruined but the only way to get this guy was to pay or spend har earned HP or get a lucky token. They made a ton of cash off of this cover and then take him away.

The good news is that I've been playing way too much since launch and this is my que to exit. I'll watch the forum to see if they do something but I'm out. I won't be missed because I never spent a dime on the game (so glad of that now). It has been fun all and I'll miss the community.

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forgrim wrote:

so essentially expect nerfs in the future for anyone with a less then 5 ap cost ability?

classic mags, wolverine, spiderman are the candidates right off the top of my head

You forgot the half dozen characters with passive abilities. Those all need to cost at least 5ap now. Daken is screwed....

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forgrim wrote:

DumDumDugn wrote:

forgrim wrote:

so essentially expect nerfs in the future for anyone with a less then 5 ap cost ability?

classic mags, wolverine, spiderman are the candidates right off the top of my head

I hope they nerf mags' red if they spare his other abilities

probably fix it so his purple ability does exactly what the tooltip says (which is a nerf)

They already did.

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funny russkie wrote:

forgrim wrote:

DumDumDugn wrote:

forgrim wrote:

so essentially expect nerfs in the future for anyone with a less then 5 ap cost ability?

classic mags, wolverine, spiderman are the candidates right off the top of my head

I hope they nerf mags' red if they spare his other abilities

probably fix it so his purple ability does exactly what the tooltip says (which is a nerf)

They already did.

No they didnt, it was a hoax.

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We need a video of Ragnarok (voiced by George Lowe) singing "Wrecking Ball"

Kiamodo

Loved using him. Loved fighting against him even. Just a sad omen of things to come. Would be nice if devs let us know who is gonna be ruined in the future.

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Aluminium_Man wrote:

I just remember that they want a minimum 5 AP cost to abilities, and his old thunderclap was equivalent to a 12 AP cost.

DumDumDugn wrote:

If Rags red should be 12AP then Thor's yellow should be 18? Doom's blue should be 22? Widow's green should be 30?

Today (or in a few days) is minimum 5.. after a while it will be "no abilities should be used on first turn" so with bonuses you can get 6AP, meaning this minimum may as well be raised to maybe 7.. or "they should make at least 2x3 or 1x4 matches to use an ability" and raise it to 10.. Whatever happens I don't plan to stay long enough to find out..