Champions 2.0 Post-launch FAQ and Discussion

Borstock

@entrailbucket said:
The metagame is boosted characters now. Chasm is gone. If you don't have a 600+ character every single week, you're going to get stomped by somebody who does.

You're just describing the experience of every non-550 player in PvP up until now, anyway. I really don't see it changing much outside of possibly bringing back some of the diversity we lost when Chasm destroyed PvP. So, the whale will hit me with a ridiculous Karnak and Juggernaut instead of their maxed and boosted 5's. Nothing I can do about it either way.

entrailbucket

@Borstock said:

@entrailbucket said:
The metagame is boosted characters now. Chasm is gone. If you don't have a 600+ character every single week, you're going to get stomped by somebody who does.

You're just describing the experience of every non-550 player in PvP up until now, anyway. I really don't see it changing much outside of possibly bringing back some of the diversity we lost when Chasm destroyed PvP. So, the whale will hit me with a ridiculous Karnak and Juggernaut instead of their maxed and boosted 5's. Nothing I can do about it either way.

Probably! I was more taking issue with @Phumade (who I think is a 550 player) not recognizing the value of these characters for 550 players.

Like...all these folks are running unboosted 550 Thor in everything. Well, with a few more levels, a boosted IW will one-shot 550 Thor pretty easily.

Borstock

@entrailbucket said:

@Borstock said:

@entrailbucket said:
The metagame is boosted characters now. Chasm is gone. If you don't have a 600+ character every single week, you're going to get stomped by somebody who does.

Probably! I was more taking issue with @Phumade (who I think is a 550 player) not recognizing the value of these characters for 550 players.

Like...all these folks are running unboosted 550 Thor in everything. Well, with a few more levels, a boosted IW will one-shot 550 Thor pretty easily.

Fair enough. Though there already are 550's who do that.

WhiteBomber

I remember when Invis Woman was the best character in the game (he says in really old man shaky voice). Hopefully those turds continue to shine in champions 2.0. Moooore variety, yes! I'll see you all there in 3 years.

Phumade

@entrailbucket said:

@Borstock said:

@entrailbucket said:
The metagame is boosted characters now. Chasm is gone. If you don't have a 600+ character every single week, you're going to get stomped by somebody who does.

You're just describing the experience of every non-550 player in PvP up until now, anyway. I really don't see it changing much outside of possibly bringing back some of the diversity we lost when Chasm destroyed PvP. So, the whale will hit me with a ridiculous Karnak and Juggernaut instead of their maxed and boosted 5's. Nothing I can do about it either way.

Probably! I was more taking issue with @Phumade (who I think is a 550 player) not recognizing the value of these characters for 550 players.

Like...all these folks are running unboosted 550 Thor in everything. Well, with a few more levels, a boosted IW will one-shot 550 Thor pretty easily.

Oh I'm a 500 player. 12 between 530-500, and about 30 between 500 - 480. I pretty much have to play the 600 boosted each week.

The only issues for me is that I personally don't play more than 20 chars very well. I feel like you need to be using chars on a semi regular basis to be fast efficient etc. For me that s really about 20-30 chars or 5-10 different meta themes. After 50 chars, I just stick to the biggest combs that I know how to play effectively.

entrailbucket

@Phumade said:

@entrailbucket said:

@Borstock said:

@entrailbucket said:
The metagame is boosted characters now. Chasm is gone. If you don't have a 600+ character every single week, you're going to get stomped by somebody who does.

You're just describing the experience of every non-550 player in PvP up until now, anyway. I really don't see it changing much outside of possibly bringing back some of the diversity we lost when Chasm destroyed PvP. So, the whale will hit me with a ridiculous Karnak and Juggernaut instead of their maxed and boosted 5's. Nothing I can do about it either way.

Probably! I was more taking issue with @Phumade (who I think is a 550 player) not recognizing the value of these characters for 550 players.

Like...all these folks are running unboosted 550 Thor in everything. Well, with a few more levels, a boosted IW will one-shot 550 Thor pretty easily.

Oh I'm a 500 player. 12 between 530-500, and about 30 between 500 - 480. I pretty much have to play the 600 boosted each week.

The only issues for me is that I personally don't play more than 20 chars very well. I feel like you need to be using chars on a semi regular basis to be fast efficient etc. For me that s really about 20-30 chars or 5-10 different meta themes. After 50 chars, I just stick to the biggest combs that I know how to play effectively.

You're missing out!

Seriously! Most characters really don't require any sort of special skill or play patterns to use. I throw random pairings out there all the time and do just fine. Sometimes I forget what somebody does, but using them is a good refresher course.

Daredevil217

@bbigler said:
Here’s a hypothetical:
Let’s say Karnak is boosted next week and you have a max champed Karnak plus a dupe at level 283. Let’s say Karnak is ascendable too. Wouldn’t you like to ascend him now and play him?..,just to see if he’s the wrecking ball you think he would be?

Now repeat this hypothetical with:
Polaris
Medusa
Carnage
Juggernaut
Grocket
etc…

I went hard in the LL store (and am now a 550 player… sigh). But this was a big big reason. I opened like 3 or 4 thousand mighty tokens to max my dupe Medusa (Medupsa?) and ascend her. But aside from this being the best possible trio of latests for me to chase and max champ, I really wanted targeted pulls on a small pool of meta 4s like Polaris, Grocket, Juggs, Chavez, Deathlok, and Karnak (who was my sole bonus 4* on the road to 550s). I’m trying to have my cake and eat it too with the max-max. Polaris and Grocket are ready. Juggs is 2 covers away. Chavez needs 12. Karnak needs 30 still. Deathlok needs over 100. If Karnak gets his day tomorrow I’m going to use all my stockpiled milestone rewards (lord knows how many I have since you can’t see past the current).

Altair22

Basically its now an arms race with Champions 2.0 hey I say bring it on

Altair22

@entrailbucket said:

@Phumade said:

@entrailbucket said:

@Borstock said:

@entrailbucket said:
The metagame is boosted characters now. Chasm is gone. If you don't have a 600+ character every single week, you're going to get stomped by somebody who does.

You're just describing the experience of every non-550 player in PvP up until now, anyway. I really don't see it changing much outside of possibly bringing back some of the diversity we lost when Chasm destroyed PvP. So, the whale will hit me with a ridiculous Karnak and Juggernaut instead of their maxed and boosted 5's. Nothing I can do about it either way.

Probably! I was more taking issue with @Phumade (who I think is a 550 player) not recognizing the value of these characters for 550 players.

Like...all these folks are running unboosted 550 Thor in everything. Well, with a few more levels, a boosted IW will one-shot 550 Thor pretty easily.

Oh I'm a 500 player. 12 between 530-500, and about 30 between 500 - 480. I pretty much have to play the 600 boosted each week.

The only issues for me is that I personally don't play more than 20 chars very well. I feel like you need to be using chars on a semi regular basis to be fast efficient etc. For me that s really about 20-30 chars or 5-10 different meta themes. After 50 chars, I just stick to the biggest combs that I know how to play effectively.

You're missing out!

Seriously! Most characters really don't require any sort of special skill or play patterns to use. I throw random pairings out there all the time and do just fine. Sometimes I forget what somebody does, but using them is a good refresher course.

Yah in the latest doop PVP I fought with a newbie with a starter roster of mostly 1s 2s some threes a few 4s, using Ascended base 1 t0 5 level boosted spiderman and IM (at 450 lvl). yah vs. Boosted 5 stars Shang chi, Old man logan had a semi hard time besting the ascended boosted spiderman 1 base.

entrailbucket

I checked my Karnak for fun -- he's level 451. His black match damage is 1010 and he gets a 560% bonus after the first 4 turns. I think the boost basically doubles match damage, so a boosted baby champ 5* Karnak will do 30k on a black match-3.

bbigler

I believe Champions 2.0 is paving the way to SCL 11 and a 6th tier. After a year or two when most players have level 500+ heroes and are getting tons of Legendary tokens, they’ll change the release cadence to include 6-Star characters.

But I have no idea how they would change the release cadence.

EDIT: maybe
3 - 4 - 5 - 6?
4 - 3/5 - 6?
5 - 5 - 6?
3 - 5 - 6?

ThaRoadWarrior

Personally, I always thought the 4* tier needed to freeze, at which point you’d be at 5-5-6 or 5-6-Support

BriMan2222

@Daredevil217 said:

@bbigler said:
Here’s a hypothetical:
Let’s say Karnak is boosted next week and you have a max champed Karnak plus a dupe at level 283. Let’s say Karnak is ascendable too. Wouldn’t you like to ascend him now and play him?..,just to see if he’s the wrecking ball you think he would be?

Now repeat this hypothetical with:
Polaris
Medusa
Carnage
Juggernaut
Grocket
etc…

I went hard in the LL store (and am now a 550 player… sigh). But this was a big big reason. I opened like 3 or 4 thousand mighty tokens to max my dupe Medusa (Medupsa?) and ascend her. But aside from this being the best possible trio of latests for me to chase and max champ, I really wanted targeted pulls on a small pool of meta 4s like Polaris, Grocket, Juggs, Chavez, Deathlok, and Karnak (who was my sole bonus 4* on the road to 550s). I’m trying to have my cake and eat it too with the max-max. Polaris and Grocket are ready. Juggs is 2 covers away. Chavez needs 12. Karnak needs 30 still. Deathlok needs over 100. If Karnak gets his day tomorrow I’m going to use all my stockpiled milestone rewards (lord knows how many I have since you can’t see past the current).

Welcome to the 550 club! One of us, One of us Gooble Gobble, Gooble Gobble.....

Colognoisseur

I didn’t read through the whole thread. Have they announced when the second batch of characters we will be able to ascend will arrive?

Bowgentle

Nope.
Also no ETA on when the ISO rewards will turn into the real ones.

BlixTheFrog

So this is strange : I have a dupe Hulkling, not championed yet. While pulling, I got an extra cover that I saved... and I was surprised to see I had another one available. Turns out, the game offers me to use that 2 stars ascended Iron Man we all got the other day as a Hulkling cover... Pretty weird.

MrHappyface

I think my game is bugged or something!
I got characters that should be ascend-able but the "ascend" button is missing
& then I have characters that should NOT be ascend-able, but yet I have the "ascend" button available.

examples:
I have 3* Black Widow, lvl 266 (champ) & lvl 166 (non-champ), yet no "ascend" button
Also I have a 3* Cyclops, lvl 266 (champ) & lvl 43 (non-champ, & the "ascend" button IS available.

MegaBee

@MrHappyface said:
I think my game is bugged or something!
I got characters that should be ascend-able but the "ascend" button is missing
& then I have characters that should NOT be ascend-able, but yet I have the "ascend" button available.

examples:
I have 3* Black Widow, lvl 266 (champ) & lvl 166 (non-champ), yet no "ascend" button
Also I have a 3* Cyclops, lvl 266 (champ) & lvl 43 (non-champ, & the "ascend" button IS available.

3* Black Widow isn't on the list of characters eligible for ascending.

MrHappyface

@MegaBee said:
3* Black Widow isn't on the list of characters eligible for ascending.

what list? link me!

MegaBee

@MrHappyface said:

@MegaBee said:
3* Black Widow isn't on the list of characters eligible for ascending.

what list? link me!

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/89125/new-feature-champions-2-0-live-with-r287