New Supports Experience Blog

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  • Timemachinego
    Timemachinego Posts: 509 Critical Contributor

    @Bad said:
    Supports granting AP at the start of battle aren't as good as mentioned.
    If you played Kang squad, they have a % and there will be lot of times when no support is activated even having 2 granting yellow.
    On PvE is easy, just quit it quickly and retry. But on pvp is not so easy option to quit.
    On the other hand, a chahulk team doesn't need any AP and the supports chosen for them only will be the ones to make them even more annoying, damaging more or having protects.
    So no support will fix an already OP team, imo, chahulk will be everywhere exactly as they are now.

    Yup, plenty of +ability damage for Hulk and +heal for Chasm.

  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 2,744 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Bad said:
    Supports granting AP at the start of battle aren't as good as mentioned.
    If you played Kang squad, they have a % and there will be lot of times when no support is activated even having 2 granting yellow.
    On PvE is easy, just quit it quickly and retry. But on pvp is not so easy option to quit.

    It is when there are a significant group of players whose main reason for playing PvP is to troll everyone else. I can (but won't) name several players who enjoy nothing more than savagely picking on individual players over and over again. For them, the RNG based built-in retreats will just make it easier for them to dump points and hit you even harder.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,965 Chairperson of the Boards

    When I'm trying to dump points, it wouldn't matter if supports fire or not -- I start the match and immediately retreat.

    I don't think it'd be very good strategy to retreat to someone you're trying to snipe just because your supports didn't trigger. I certainly wouldn't -- it seems counterproductive. By the time you retreat, q them again, and start the second match, they might already have reshielded, with a few bonus points from your retreat.

  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 2,744 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:
    When I'm trying to dump points, it wouldn't matter if supports fire or not -- I start the match and immediately retreat.

    I don't think it'd be very good strategy to retreat to someone you're trying to snipe just because your supports didn't trigger. I certainly wouldn't -- it seems counterproductive. By the time you retreat, q them again, and start the second match, they might already have reshielded, with a few bonus points from your retreat.

    My comment was primarily based on two assumptions:

    1: the person hitting you is coming from below, so the retreat costs them much less than if they re-queue and catch you still out

    2: the worst case scenario for supports in PvP where players who choose violence every event can exploit Quicksilver-fast wins to hammer someone on a shield hop

    I admit that idk if 2 is true. I can see where supports break PvP. I can see where they don't. It was more of a hypothetical scenario.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,965 Chairperson of the Boards

    1 probably won't be a thing, unless people are still doing really really long cupcake-eating hops, or your particular snipers are really weird/bad at the game.

    2 is absolutely true though. It'll definitely make sniping faster for those matches where the sniper's supports trigger. Of course, your supports will make your hop faster if they trigger, too, so that %chance is going to determine an awful lot on either side.

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    1 is still a thing in s1 and s3.
    Both the 30 minute "hops" and the bad snipers.
    I mean, you know how Beast likes to go for leisurely strolls.

  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 2,744 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:
    1 probably won't be a thing, unless people are still doing really really long cupcake-eating hops, or your particular snipers are really weird/bad at the game.

    2 is absolutely true though. It'll definitely make sniping faster for those matches where the sniper's supports trigger. Of course, your supports will make your hop faster if they trigger, too, so that %chance is going to determine an awful lot on either side.

    I primarily play in s1. It is VERY a thing.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,965 Chairperson of the Boards

    Yeah, I'm guessing it's unlikely that the devs will view "unable to trivially score 5000 points per event" as a downside of this.

  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards

    Some player in reddit mentioned that supports that have true healing have been nerfed by 50%. I don't have access to my account now, so I can't verify it.

  • Glockoma
    Glockoma Posts: 555 Critical Contributor

    Not on my end. Still good on Carol’s Communicator at least

  • Scofie
    Scofie GLOBAL_MODERATORS Posts: 1,394 Chairperson of the Boards

    @HoundofShadow said:
    Some player in reddit mentioned that supports that have true healing have been nerfed by 50%. I don't have access to my account now, so I can't verify it.

    That seems to be the side effect of the Mutant affiliation perk on Krakoa firing, not supports in general.

  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards

    Thanks for bringing this up. I just checked my support against the support thread and nothing was changed for Lucky and Carol's Communicator, which that player mentioned in reddit. That player was probably drunk when starting that thread. :D

    Krakoa support looks pretty awesome. However, the english structure seems off. I can't tell who they are referring to for the perks and R3 effect.

  • Scofie
    Scofie GLOBAL_MODERATORS Posts: 1,394 Chairperson of the Boards

    Mod mode off

    As I read R3: so if you have Kitty and Phoenix, their unique affiliations might be Godlike, A- Force (Jean) and Excalibur, Team Cap (Kitty). So you'll start the battle with 2 AP (current cap).

    What I'm not clear on is if it's 1 Yellow and 1 Green or 2 of the highest strength. I expect the latter but I don't have the support yet to try it out.

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Scofie said:
    Mod mode off

    As I read R3: so if you have Kitty and Phoenix, their unique affiliations might be Godlike, A- Force (Jean) and Excalibur, Team Cap (Kitty). So you'll start the battle with 2 AP (current cap).

    What I'm not clear on is if it's 1 Yellow and 1 Green or 2 of the highest strength. I expect the latter but I don't have the support yet to try it out.

    Just tried it, you get one yellow and one green.

  • jp1
    jp1 Posts: 1,081 Chairperson of the Boards

    The new support does not equip to 5* KK despite her mutant affiliation.

  • dianetics
    dianetics Posts: 1,653 Chairperson of the Boards

    KK mutant affiliation is very new, previously she was only a hero.
    I guess the mutant thing is a spoiler for the MCU basically dumping all inhumans after they bought fox and got the rights back for mutants.

  • Scofie
    Scofie GLOBAL_MODERATORS Posts: 1,394 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited April 2023

    @dianetics said:
    I guess the mutant thing is a spoiler for the MCU basically dumping all inhumans after they bought fox and got the rights back for mutants.

    Is that correct?

    Black Bolt was in Multiverse of Madness - might hint that they want to reboot at some point?

  • dianetics
    dianetics Posts: 1,653 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited April 2023

    KK was teased as a mutant at end of credits in her TV show. I wanted to talk about it in her release thread but I didn’t want to spoil anything then.
    There’s a lot to go through and I don’t want to list it all out.
    Basically inhumans exist because fox owned mutant movie rights. Disney bought fox and mutants are back.
    Inhumans failed on their show so they pulling away from it. All inhuman movies have been cancelled or pushed indefinitely. And the most popular inhuman Kamala is now a mutant.

    Spoilers!!!!!!! I don’t know how to do the tag on my phone.

    BB was in MoM but so was Peggy, and they killed them both.

  • Scofie
    Scofie GLOBAL_MODERATORS Posts: 1,394 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited April 2023

    @dianetics said:
    KK was teased as a mutant at end of credits in her TV show. I wanted to talk about it in her release thread but I didn’t want to spoil anything then.
    There’s a lot to go through and I don’t want to list it all out.
    Basically inhumans exist because fox owned mutant movie rights. Disney bought fox and mutants are back.
    Inhumans failed on their show so they pulling away from it. All inhuman movies have been cancelled or pushed indefinitely. And the most popular inhuman Kamala is now a mutant.

    Spoilers!!!!!!! I don’t know how to do the tag on my phone.

    BB was in MoM but so was Peggy, and they killed them both.

    Ah I've not seen the TV show yet! I did watch Inhumans though... 😬

    If you're on Android, at the top of the text box there is a symbol next to italics with a drop down menu. When I use that it creates >! Don't know if that works by typing it. Edit: Yes it does, but only once per post.

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