New Supports Experience Blog

HoundofShadow

And some players keep making stuff up like, "the dev is lying" when they are the one who can't interpret information and context correctly.

LavaManLee

Well, I will be looking for an alliance with zero PVP requirements. It is already a grind and have no desire to actually get involved much with PVP if supports are allowed.

Yepyep

@HoundofShadow said:
And some players keep making stuff up like, "the dev is lying" when they are the one who can't interpret information and context correctly.

You, of all people, accusing others of "making stuff up," is very rich indeed. A veritable scarecrow Ronan.

@HoundofShadow said:
This is what happen when you want them to bypass official approval process. The moderator tried to help, and at the time of his posting, those information was still under approval. Unfortunately, the dev team has been portrayed as a bunch of liars now.

Nobody wanted any such thing. You insist on lying by putting words and motivations on other people here. You ruin the discourse here by poisoning it with sophistries.

Everybody here sees through your vain attempts to be an arbiter of opinion in this forum. Give it a long, long overdue break already.

Bzhai

Guys can we not go down this rabbit hole again? Just put on your ignore goggles and let's focus on the main issue. If you feel strongly against the change in pvp it would be more beneficial to give the devs as much feedback and sentiment as possible.

DAZ0273

@HoundofShadow said:
This is what happen when you want them to bypass official approval process. The moderator tried to help, and at the time of his posting, those information was still under approval. Unfortunately, the dev team has been portrayed as a bunch of liars now.

And you can see AI teamup. It's written in the blog.

No this is what happens when the Devs dish out communications in non official platforms. If it isn't approved to appear here, it isn't approved to appear anywhere. If the Devs decide to side step the official approval process, that is on them.

BriMan2222

@Tony_Foot said:
No one wanted them to bypass the approval process, they wanted them to hold off any releases until the information was available. You just keep making stuff up to bash 'players'.

I didn't care if it took another week to release. In the same way I don't care if they take longer to release content that works and doesn't break the game. Is that too much to ask for?

I honestly don't know why anyone bothers to engage with Hound anymore. He doesn't have real conversations, he doesn't reply to things people have actually said, he just makes strawmen arguments replying to things that imaginary "players" have said in his imagination. It's just a waste of time. No one is ever going to change his mind about anything, he's living in his own world where "players" are constantly attacking the omnipotent and benevolent devs.

purplemur

Loved supports since beginning! This is awesome news! Pom-poms and high kicks!
Go devteam go! If the art for supports keeps coming in as gorgeous as Kamartaj and Krakoa then I might be perusing for some new wallpaper!
Just please don’t nerf the 5tiers into 3 powers; If anything open em up and give them all 5! Please don’t take away!
So excited for some NEW supports! I suggest you try inserting a new support into the release schedule and see if you can’t still generate revenue off a new release but not always a character. Sell me more bundles like that kamar taj and have just a little more breathing room on the chars.
How rad will it be to finally start getting levels on supports that have been sitting at lvl3?! Which one will be your first to focus on? I am leaning towards Sp//der but I can actually plan now instead of gamblers dream about someday maybe. Such a hug QoL improvement!

Remember, its a developing blog post - things will change and we have been clamoring for more information on their process. It’s nice to have this included on the forum.
While I would have also bought the bundle; I can emphasize with their predicament. What would the outrage have been if they had let slip supports in PvP are coming without the full scope of the upcoming changes? People would be pissed off that they bought this bundle and its going to be 6 months before it goes into PvP!! Safer to say nah. Then if senior devs meet and they hear back that the code overhaul will allow them to add to PvP afterall; then add to announcement and start the hype! They have been cautious with communication and bold with design choices. I think we owe them plenty of slack when things don’t go right and they have to make it do. The best way to improve is to take real world use and implement iterative changes based on feedback from the users. They have to throw it to players and some of the bright things amongst us will chew it to bone and understand exactly what is wrong faster than even the makers themselves. Nothing wrong with that happening. It doesn’t mean they incompetent or worth quitting over. They are growing and gaining experience and that will directly translate into a better gaming experience for all of us. So lets not grief too hard over how it will totally 100 absolutely ruin everything.
The changes to supports, the new MMR update, ui interfaces teased, I am more excited and confident for the game’s longevity than ever!

entrailbucket

I think it's an issue that literally a few days ago, someone from the publisher told us they have no plans to do this, then today we find out the developers are planning/have been planning to do this (do note that these are two different companies, although they work together closely).

I also think that adding supports to PvP, in their current state, is a mistake, that will break the game in a number of predictable and unpredictable ways. If there were significant reworks to the current supports before going into PvP, or they worked differently in PvP, then that's a different story.

DAZ0273

@Bzhai said:
Guys can we not go down this rabbit hole again? Just put on your ignore goggles and let's focus on the main issue. If you feel strongly against the change in pvp it would be more beneficial to give the devs as much feedback and sentiment as possible.

Personally I will wait for more information, preferably not second hand reported here as to how this all plays out. As I already said there is also a MMR change in the works, who knows how that all adds up and what it means.

ThaRoadWarrior

Man, this is definitely going to have some knock on effects. I'm very curious how this is going to play out

Codex

@entrailbucket said:
I think it's an issue that literally a few days ago, someone from the publisher told us they have no plans to do this, then today we find out the developers are planning/have been planning to do this (do note that these are two different companies, although they work together closely).

I don't see the issue. They said there would be no supports in PvP unless there is a change to the UI. If this was taken to be no supports in PvP, I don't see how. There is a condition to their statement.

As far as we should know the blog info before the end of Kamar taj support offer, I agree it would have impacted my decision to purchase.

HoundofShadow

Scofie is not a developer. He's a moderator of this forum. And I think another moderator has mentioned before what their roles are, and aren't.

If you want to fully trust information from non-officially approved sources, and then become unhappy when officially approved information differs from unofficial ones, then it's on you, not the dev.

Supports are not even activated in pvps yet, and there are already resistant to changes. Go get this book called "Who Moved My Cheese?", read it and learn to adapt.

WilliamK1983

But this is the official forum. Where else are we supposed to go for official information?

LavaManLee

@HoundofShadow said:
Supports are not even activated in pvps yet, and there are already resistant to changes. Go get this book called "Who Moved My Cheese?", read it and learn to adapt.

I'm sorry, but who are YOU to tell me to go read a book on change and learn to adapt? And a real simplistic, sophomoric book at that.

You have know idea what is going on in any of our lives and what we have or haven't adapted to. At all.

Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean I have to just wait for it to happen not to like it. I can not like something ahead of time. I'm thinking you just really enjoy riling people up because otherwise there is not excuse for your postings.

DAZ0273

@HoundofShadow said:
Scofie is not a developer. He's a moderator of this forum. And I think another moderator has mentioned before what their roles are, and aren't.

If you want to fully trust information from non-officially approved sources, and then become unhappy when officially approved information differs from unofficial ones, then it's on you, not the dev.

Supports are not even activated in pvps yet, and there are already resistant to changes. Go get this book called "Who Moved My Cheese?", read it and learn to adapt.

Scofie would have had nothing to quote if the Devs had stayed quiet. Or even better, before you released a brand new Support with ramifications for PvP you provide advance information to inform players on purchase choices. This is not on Scofie, it is on the person who issued the non officially approved information on the non officially approved media platform. Simples.

BTW - in most other industries, information provided through a non official channel is normally described as "a leak".

HoundofShadow

Let me state some facts, as far as some players being unhappy with the information about supports being activated in pvp is concerned:

BCS posted and said to wait for approval for more information about future of Support.

Thanks for this thread. We have an official post that is currently wrapping up approvals that help to clarify some points and give some further insight on the future of Supports. Should answer a few questions and spawn some discussion.

S0kun wrote:

Our next blog is going to be a good one folks. Apologies for not having it ready this week, but some of your questions will be answered next week if things go as planned. Fingers crossed.

Scofie posted something from Discord, and some of you ate it up like it has been approved or it's some kind of immutable truth. As a matter of fact, at the time of posting, announcement was still undergoing Marvel approval.

After this official blog is out, some of you were unhappy supports will be activated in pvps, and decided to bring up Scofie's replies last week.

entrailbucket

This has been derailed to the point of uselessness by Hound's bizarre circular white-knighting. I think the developers are perfectly capable of defending themselves if they choose to do so, and I don't even see anything particularly abusive being directed at them.

DAZ0273

@HoundofShadow said:
Let me state some facts, as far as some players being unhappy with the information about supports being activated in pvp is concerned:

BCS posted and said to wait for approval for more information about future of Support.

Thanks for this thread. We have an official post that is currently wrapping up approvals that help to clarify some points and give some further insight on the future of Supports. Should answer a few questions and spawn some discussion.

S0kun wrote:

Our next blog is going to be a good one folks. Apologies for not having it ready this week, but some of your questions will be answered next week if things go as planned. Fingers crossed.

Scofie posted something from Discord, and some of you ate it up like it has been approved or it's some kind of immutable truth. As a matter of fact, at the time of posting, announcement was still undergoing Marvel approval.

After this official blog is out, some of you were unhappy supports will be activated in pvps, and decided to bring up Scofie's replies last week.

Lol! None of that addresses the initial problem. I am not one of those who am bothered as I was never going to buy this but if you can't see that this all comes down to the leaking of information on another platform being the cause of player consternation then I have to conclude that other posters views of what you are doing here is true. The Devs have been bitten for making statements on non official platforms, they didn't have to but the consequences are their own. If you aren't 100% sure just say you can't comment at the time and wait until the official announcements are ready which preferably occur before what you are doing/selling. Really Hound, it is simple enough that even you can understand.

liminal_lad

@BriMan2222 said:

@Tony_Foot said:
No one wanted them to bypass the approval process, they wanted them to hold off any releases until the information was available. You just keep making stuff up to bash 'players'.

I didn't care if it took another week to release. In the same way I don't care if they take longer to release content that works and doesn't break the game. Is that too much to ask for?

I honestly don't know why anyone bothers to engage with Hound anymore. He doesn't have real conversations, he doesn't reply to things people have actually said, he just makes strawmen arguments replying to things that imaginary "players" have said in his imagination. It's just a waste of time. No one is ever going to change his mind about anything, he's living in his own world where "players" are constantly attacking the omnipotent and benevolent devs.

This is solid advice. I started to respond directly and this was a good reminder of how counterproductive it is.

Scofie

Mod mode off

Here is the double-edged sword of comms. Players want info and there are channels to get that info immediately rather than waiting for the "official" announcement. Me being a mod on here is irrelevant to some degree - I asked a question on discord and it got answered. I repeated that answer here.

My personal view on the blog announcement is this: if supports in PvP was a year away because of UI changes and it wasn't announced for 9 months, people would say it should've been announced here as the strategy for supports going forward. I don't know where the UI is on the roadmap. I don't know if it will stay there. I'm guessing it's sufficiently far enough away to not be able to put any timescales on it. So announcing the intention is right at this moment in time. They clearly want supports to be an integral and interesting part of the game and PvP is a big part of that, so they tried to join up the player base by getting everyone excited for the journey ahead.

It's not lying, it's not misinformation, it's not people misunderstanding the data or the messaging. It's a point in time assessment and that's a little fluid depending on how you are looking at it.