***** Emma Frost (Phoenix Five) *****

Hammer3001

So we can call a 3-Star & 5-Star Phoenix Namor for November; right?

shardwick

@IceIX Ok I have to ask. There are now three versions of Emma Frost in the game but still no villainous White Queen which is probably my favorite female Marvel villain ever. Any particular reason why? 

658_2

I woulda guessed Namor as a no brainer 5* tie-in for BP2, since the trailer makes it look like whoever is taking the mantle of BP will be a big third act reveal and Marvel has thus far kept it tightly under wraps. Presumably, they wouldn’t want the plot point spoiled, even post release for at least a month or two. MCU Namor (not P5) still seems likely, but M’Baku and Nakia have yet to hit MPQ also.

New EF isn’t bad in a vacuum but I’m struggling to see where you use her in the game. It’s not going to be in SC or Col boost weeks. 

Hammer3001

I’m going to say October will be new versions of Magik; 4-Star will be Werewolf by Night.

November will be 3/5 Namors; 4 Star will be Abomination.

December will 3/5 Ironhearts; 4 Star will be Adam Warlock since he’s premiering in Guardians Holiday Special.

HoundofShadow

October will be 5* Web Weaver, seeing how Disney is cashing in on LGBTQ+, and the 3*/5* release will make it easier for them to cover Web Weaver. And we get 4*/5* Werewolf for Halloween.

November 11: Black Panther: Wakanda Forever movie. However, our 5* releases on Nov 17. They'll probably bring 5* release tie-in one week forward, or they will start with 4* tie in on Nov 3, followed by 5* tie-in on Nov 17.

The worst case scenario is pulling a bonus 4* release like what they did with She-Hulk. So, we'll get usual 4* release on Nov 3, followed by bonus 4* on Nov 10, and then 5* release on Nov 17. Given how generous the dev is, they might even pull a bonus 5* release instead on Nov 10.

December: Rocket and Groot special tie-in.

Kaidrin1979

If all 5 P5 are released, you have to dicide which 3 do you want to use.

Kaidrin1979

Especially if they all support the other P5

658_2

I’m definitely going 3/5* Werewolf by Night in October. Hits in too many ways to pass up. Agreed with Hammer on 3/5* Ironheart in December, and Guardians 4. January, dev pick. February, 3/5* Ant Man is a stone cold lock, with a Wasp rebalance and Kang boss event

Waddles_Pines

Still waiting on Frankencastle for Halloween...

Woiciu

Her red passive will powerup passive powers for other characters? 

Sekilicious

WilliamK1983 said:

Good store for me with the other Phoenix Five.  My Colossus is 3/1/1 and Cyclops is 3/2/1.  Wouldn't mind adding to the both of them. 

Artwork looks pretty sweet.  For the 3* version too.   

What a terrible time for me to have no cp as this is a pretty good store.

 I know I’m late to the party, but  I greatly appreciate how half of this forum was about Shang-Chi with the faithful being flabbergasted that not everyone runs him at 5/5/3. Myself, I use 5/5/3 for challenge nodes and when paired with Valkyrie, 3/5/5 when paired with Chavez (+boosts of course), especially for shield hops in PvP. The need for speed is real sometimes, and SC is much faster at 3/5/5.

ThaRoadWarrior

killahKlown said:

Tiger_Wong said:

Wow. That blue is making me feel some kind of way now. So if her teammates are downed, the CD will expire and just pop up again? So you’ll constantly recycle taking 0 match damage? 

I think you're reading that wrong.  Her teammates are only "downed" once.  So it will kick in one time if she's the last one standing.  It's not infinite 

With all the revivers we have now, and Sighclops being a little broken with what he considers an "active teammate" for the purposes of his yellow to black, I'll reserve judgement until we see it in practice I think. Probably intended to work as you say, but we'll see if it actually does I guess.

WilliamK1983

Sekilicious said:

WilliamK1983 said:

Good store for me with the other Phoenix Five.  My Colossus is 3/1/1 and Cyclops is 3/2/1.  Wouldn't mind adding to the both of them. 

Artwork looks pretty sweet.  For the 3* version too.   

What a terrible time for me to have no cp as this is a pretty good store.

And the anniversary store is imminent too.  The cp I have saved up(approx 1200 right now) won't do much good split between two stores.  Decisions, decisions 🤔 

Sekilicious

WilliamK1983 said:

Sekilicious said:

WilliamK1983 said:

Good store for me with the other Phoenix Five.  My Colossus is 3/1/1 and Cyclops is 3/2/1.  Wouldn't mind adding to the both of them. 

Artwork looks pretty sweet.  For the 3* version too.   

What a terrible time for me to have no cp as this is a pretty good store.

And the anniversary store is imminent too.  The cp I have saved up(approx 1200 right now) won't do much good split between two stores.  Decisions, decisions 🤔 

Shang-Chi is almost guaranteed to be in both the anniversary and the Chinese New Year stores. Getting extra covers for him can be prioritized over everything other than fully covering new LL characters. In my opinion anyways 

akboyce

IceIX said:

• Red Passive was changed from match damage to ability damage. This was done so that the Phoenix Five all had a different buffing niche. Colossus for reduced match damage taken, Cyclops for increased match damage, and now Emma for increased ability damage.

What?

The Phoenix Two HAD a unified theme and that was MATCH DAMAGE. Colossus's was giant and Cyclops further enhanced and spoiled Emma would have cranked it up to 11.

Now she buffs ability damage? AKA she buffs only 2 abilities for her Phoenix team? Her own Red and Colossus's Black. Technically Colossus's blue and Cyclop's black but one is nearly no damage (and competes with Emma's Blue) and the other requires everyone but Cyclop's to be stunned so he can transform without losing Emma. I GUESS Jean Grey's green as well but that requires her to die before Emma. 

This buffing niche does not fit with her teammates and while it may make her a more interesting partner for a wider set of characters it does make her a worse partner for her the Phoenix's which is a shame since she is the first character to CARE about being with them. 

Small Edit: Obviously if Namor and Magik come equipped some damaging non-red abilities she will work well with them but I would have really preferred the match damage skill for Colossus/Cyclops/Emma team

KGB

HoundofShadow said:

Also, she's the first character to take zero match damage in the game, so she's going to hard counter SC and Colossus. SC can go winfinite for as long as he wants, but he's going to deal 0 match damage to her, except when he's firing his red power. 

Well if you are playing SC at 5 Red, you should be able to easily destroy that fortified CD and kick her out of Diamond form at which point you can proceed to kill her.

Another reason to run SC at 5 Red

KGB

HoundofShadow

A portion of this thread is talking about SC. 

I find it difficult to rate her when teaming up with other non-PF allies because I don't know whether her abilities will add on to other characters that boosts power damage or the game will choose whichever is higher.

Her red will deal a maximum of 6588 AoE + ~1002 bonus damage * 22 red ap (max) = 28632.

Teammates' power increases by a max of 77% and PF allies get 92% instead.

Throw her with Wanda and Valkyrie to stack up the power damage (+ a max of 150%) and red aps more quickly and her AoE should deal a total of ~71,580, which should be able to wipe out majority of the enemies by then. Unfortunately, this means she's terrible in wave modes unless you are relying on the extra 77% to deal more power damage with other team compositions. Most 5* characters with red are pretty strong, so I'm not sure if you want to hold on to 30 red aps for that extra 77% buff.

Bad

akboyce said:

Now she buffs ability damage? AKA she buffs only 2 abilities for her Phoenix team? Her own Red and Colossus's Black. Technically Colossus's blue and Cyclop's black but one is nearly no damage (and competes with Emma's Blue) and the other requires everyone but Cyclop's to be stunned so he can transform without losing Emma. I GUESS Jean Grey's green as well but that requires her to die before Emma. 

You are forgetting cyclops green, a power which damages, stuns and creates red tiles, so the synergy is legit. Also colossus blue damages quite a bit.

KGB said:

Well if you are playing SC at 5 Red, you should be able to easily destroy that fortified CD and kick her out of Diamond form at which point you can proceed to kill her.

It's a fortified cd and SC has to struggle with his thing. Not so easy, or at least wasting 14 red AP or 7 purples for to take down a miserable cd would feel like a pain in the ... to me.

HoundofShadow said:

Throw her with Wanda and Valkyrie to stack up the power damage (+ a max of 150%) and red aps more quickly and her AoE should deal a total of ~71,580, which should be able to wipe out majority of the enemies by then.

That's not how it should be working. Usually SW only boost the not conditional part of the power, so her boost works better with single hits. SW would buff only the 4095 initial AoE. 
Now, does Emma buffs her conditional part too, the damage per red AP? It should be.  However then that should work differently than SW. 
So, finally, don't discard buggy performances and it's needed to put in practice.

ThaRoadWarrior

Seems like Frost/Gargantos/Hawkeye is going to be potentially a wild pick-3 team.

Within the P5, so far it seems she wants to play with Sighclops the most since he can generate a large amount of red off his green. If he pumps her match damage decently then Diamond Form Could be pretty solid, but to use that effectively you really need to have Thor in there for yellow accrual rapidly.

Bad

By the way SW's text says "friendly powers deal an aditional % damage per AP" and EF says "ability damage ". 
If that "ability damage " includes the conditional part, then EF could be a better booster.