***** Emma Frost (Phoenix Five) *****

ElReyFelix

ThaRoadWarrior said:

ElReyFelix said:

I don't think there's a bad build for Shang-Chi. It speaks to how strong a character he is. He will usually accomplish much the same regardless of his build. I have experimented with different builds and I think it ultimately comes down to personal preference and who you're pairing him with.

All that being said, I choose to usually run him at 3/5/5.

There is a speed advantage to only having to place 3 tiles when you run him at 3/5/5. He can be a tad more fragile with the lower heal, but the cognative load of only having to worry about 3 tile breaks is noticable if you are trying to move fast.

These are the main benefits I find of the 3/5/5 build. I still get the board control I feel that I need, but I feel it's quicker with just placing the 3 tiles, and doesn't require as much thought. But for those who prefer to be able to place the 4 or 5 tiles, that's perfectly fine. Comes down to personal preference 

Bad

Obviously emma will have better synergy and she would be more dangerous and fun to play with her affiliations partners. 
However, although overlapping colors, she can be a great support to SC only because of that outstanding red power, which SC will feed sooner or later.
And having that option, even before seeing the numbers, makes for a valid character to chase for me.

Blackstone

Saw a bunch of new comments and thought there was new info on the new character.

Being compared to SC isn't a bad thing though. 

shardwick

Tiger_Wong said:

allen_koholic said:

killahKlown said:

allen_koholic said:

New Emma feels kinda like a diet Shang Chi.

That blue power seems borderline useless and unfortunate.

Really?

I feel like her red is Shang Chi on energy drinks

It costs slightly more and even when she's sitting on top of a ton of red AP, it still hits a about as hard SC after he's combo'd twice. 

New Emma can hit hard.  Or she can do board control. Or she can tank.  But those are (mostly) XORs.  SC can do all of those at once.  

#1 we have no idea how much damage Emma (if this is indeed her) will deal with her red. “High team damage”. However, I’m pretty sure it’s gonna be better than SC until he reaches combo 5.

#2 Emma looks WAY better defensively (numbers depending)

#3 She actually looks like a better teammate than SC, who the entire must revolve around.

#4 the absolute last thing you want SC doing is tanking. 

Uh, the main thing that I want Shang doing is tanking because it means that I'm going to be using fewer health packs on the other two characters, and even though he's out front and taking most of the damage I can still keep him healed up. It's honestly pretty rare when I even need to use a health pack on him.

killahKlown

Agreed... you want him tanking as quickly as possible.  But what do I know, my Shang Chi is tiny.

And if he is paired with this Emma, that's another reason you want him tanking, she increases teammates match damage 

Pantera236

my Shang Chi is tiny.

So tiny 🤣

killahKlown

ElReyFelix said:

I don't think there's a bad build for Shang-Chi. It speaks to how strong a character he is. He will usually accomplish much the same regardless of his build. 

You arr wrong.  3 purple is bad build.  HA HA

SuperCarrot

I like the 5 red because if somehow a bad board has developed, the five tile destruction can help you out of that situation easier than destroying three.

IceIX

Note: Emma Frost has been officially announced! A few changes from her pre-release info:

• Red Base damage on her Psychic Flames was reduced, but the bonus damage per AP was increased
• Red Passive was changed from match damage to ability damage. This was done so that the Phoenix Five all had a different buffing niche. Colossus for reduced match damage taken, Cyclops for increased match damage, and now Emma for increased ability damage.
• Blue was updated to no longer use Protect tiles to bring her into/out of Diamond Form. It now creates a Fortified Countdown tile.
• Blue now prevents *all* match damage to Emma while in Diamond Form
• Not a change per-se, but a note that even in Diamond Form, Emma's Passives still function and if there is a Purple ability tile out, that keeps working as well. She just can't fire *new* actives.

ThaRoadWarrior

Cool, hype to try her out. Art looks good so far. That purple seems like an obvious 3 cover.

WilliamK1983

Good store for me with the other Phoenix Five.  My Colossus is 3/1/1 and Cyclops is 3/2/1.  Wouldn't mind adding to the both of them. 

Artwork looks pretty sweet.  For the 3* version too.   

Bad

So at level 450 with 10 red AP she would damage for 10.300. Then supposedly her passive kicks in granting her in total a 52% increased ability damage, so it should be 15.400 AoE.
Not bad, still the one taking advantage should be colossus and his black. 
Or is it 22k and with the 52% is 33k AoE? It's confusing on the description. 

HoundofShadow

3/5/5 build for SC if you're playing competitively for top 10 placements in pves 5/x/x is too slow. 

5* Emma just broke the record for the most number of chosen tiles destroyed. By chosen, I'm not referring to abilities similar 5* Storm's green power, but abilities similar to 2*/3* Bullseye, SC etc.

Also, she's the first character to take zero match damage in the game, so she's going to hard counter SC and Colossus. SC can go winfinite for as long as he wants, but he's going to deal 0 match damage to her, except when he's firing his red power. 

Her build is 5/5/3 for me.

ThaRoadWarrior

There are characters who can do it sort of, but not extended periods of time. Like Worthy Cap on his jump in front, unless there is a cascade. Most will go down to 1 damage. How does that interact with 5* Gamora’s yellow?

Grizwald

Will Colossus and Cyclops be getting the Phoenix Force update?

Tiger_Wong

Wow. That blue is making me feel some kind of way now. So if her teammates are downed, the CD will expire and just pop up again? So you’ll constantly recycle taking 0 match damage? 

That’s bananas! Yo, these new devs are wild! And I’m here for it. 

As much as I would HATE to put her with Phoenix and Cyclops (Scott & Jean forever!!) , that’s probably the first team I’m looking at trying. 

Seph1roth5

Her red passive seems a lot weaker than scarlet witch's though.  Max 77%(92% if they're phoenix 5) extra ability damage compraed to scarlet witch's max of 150% max with a full pool.

I liked it better when it was match damage, but I get the wanting different niches.  Would prefer if she got the bonus damage by having x-men on the team though, not phoenix 5.  The phoenix 5 shouldn't boost each other they didn't get along well at ALL lol.  Hell, she should get some sort of boost if another phoenix five dies.  Like have her blue triger when a phoenix five is downed AND when everyone else is.

killahKlown

Tiger_Wong said:

Wow. That blue is making me feel some kind of way now. So if her teammates are downed, the CD will expire and just pop up again? So you’ll constantly recycle taking 0 match damage? 

I think you're reading that wrong.  Her teammates are only "downed" once.  So it will kick in one time if she's the last one standing.  It's not infinite 

ph34rm3

Brightside (fingerscrossed) we might get a Namor/Magik release to complete the force 

Grizwald

ph34rm3 said:

Brightside (fingerscrossed) we might get a Namor/Magik release to complete the force 

I asked about this in August.  It's likely by the end of 2024.