ThaRoadWarrior said: For sure - I think at the heart of the retroactive feeder debate is the idea that it takes a LONG time to grow a 4* either from new release or even baby champ, so it felt good to have your time investment in a retroactive feeder conversion pay off. For instance when I was still chasing my first 5*, it was in the pre-shard bonus hero days, and I spent about 10 months chasing America Chavez up to 360 to finish Jessica Jones. That was one character being actively force fed to chase another character. It took so long to feed my way to a finished character that I'd actually champed 2 other 5*s in the meantime. Once you're in the 5* game, with very few exceptions 4* characters only exist to be reward factories that push your 5* roster up. So sure, add more feeders so at least they get fed eventually. I am still curious if the dev team would truly want to immediately catch up to new releases though, since it would mean that at some point you will have newly released 4*s feeding characters currently in latest.
KGB said:That's essentially all that's happening. We are paying 2K to get a 5* feeder. Given how players constantly ask for feeders for the unfed 5* you'd think there would be a lineup around the block to pay 2K because that's VASTLY cheaper than buying out one of the limited vaults for 500 shards given you can earn up to 6 covers for a max champed 4. KGBP.S. I expect the newly released 3* will dual feed 4*s in order to start catching up on the crazy number of unfed 4*.
WilliamK1983 said: I wonder if it's one of the characters that lost out to Black Knight in the contest from January of this year?
ThaRoadWarrior said: Yepyep said: BriMan2222 said: Yepyep said: KGB said:<snip>I imagine these extra characters are the way they are going to catch up on feeders. If that's the case, then for all those complaining, Shardmas is what's caused this to have to happen since they don't want another retro reward debacle.<snip> KGB How was it a debacle? I thought it was great... It was great only after they gave us full rewards. They didn't intend to. They only gave like 1/3 of the rewards at first. It was only after huge back lash of players bombarding them with negative comments on the forum and face book and review bombing the game in the app store and stopping any spending they did on the game that they gave us full retro rewards.They've never updated feeders since then. So players have inferredfrom this that don't want to give us full rewards for retro feeders but also know the fans will riot if they update feeders and don't give 100 percent of the retro rewards. Wow, @KGB and @BriMan2222 I'm not at all trying to challenge you. But I have no memories of any of this controversy over Shard+(Christ)mas, i.e. the raining down of gifts of shards that one day. It was all 100% seamless for me and right on the day it dropped. I wonder if it (the debacle) might not have been just platform hiccups and players terrified of being left behind -- whether justified or not. And yo! I'm no apologist for the devs on this forum... But seriously, it was a good thing and things have been mostly good since then. It was a welcome recalibration of power (maybe less so for the 550 club, because there's nowhere to go north of GOD).Is there a concise history of this debacle memorialized anywhere, please? The shardmas “debacle” came about when shards were worked into champ rewards all over, and rather than keep with the tradition that had long been in place of giving players all the updated rewards 1:1, for some reason it was decided that if your character who was already a feeder was past level 280 you would only get a flat 100 shards regardless of how many historical covers you would have earned under the old retroactive reward system. I believe newly minted feeders gave out 1:1.https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/80703/r192-champion-rewards-updateswhen people talk about “Shardmas 2.0” they are referring to the “fix” when all the shards people expected they would have gotten were paid out after the aforementioned review bombing, complaints everywhere, presumably actual spend stops, etc, and that was the last time a character was retroactively made into a feeder. Since then we have seen sporadic and arbitrary characters launching as feeders to older 5s which I think is fine and frankly should have been the way it was done always (minus the arbitrary part - it feels way better to be able to predict based on lore which character will feed another).
Yepyep said: BriMan2222 said: Yepyep said: KGB said:<snip>I imagine these extra characters are the way they are going to catch up on feeders. If that's the case, then for all those complaining, Shardmas is what's caused this to have to happen since they don't want another retro reward debacle.<snip> KGB How was it a debacle? I thought it was great... It was great only after they gave us full rewards. They didn't intend to. They only gave like 1/3 of the rewards at first. It was only after huge back lash of players bombarding them with negative comments on the forum and face book and review bombing the game in the app store and stopping any spending they did on the game that they gave us full retro rewards.They've never updated feeders since then. So players have inferredfrom this that don't want to give us full rewards for retro feeders but also know the fans will riot if they update feeders and don't give 100 percent of the retro rewards. Wow, @KGB and @BriMan2222 I'm not at all trying to challenge you. But I have no memories of any of this controversy over Shard+(Christ)mas, i.e. the raining down of gifts of shards that one day. It was all 100% seamless for me and right on the day it dropped. I wonder if it (the debacle) might not have been just platform hiccups and players terrified of being left behind -- whether justified or not. And yo! I'm no apologist for the devs on this forum... But seriously, it was a good thing and things have been mostly good since then. It was a welcome recalibration of power (maybe less so for the 550 club, because there's nowhere to go north of GOD).Is there a concise history of this debacle memorialized anywhere, please?
BriMan2222 said: Yepyep said: KGB said:<snip>I imagine these extra characters are the way they are going to catch up on feeders. If that's the case, then for all those complaining, Shardmas is what's caused this to have to happen since they don't want another retro reward debacle.<snip> KGB How was it a debacle? I thought it was great... It was great only after they gave us full rewards. They didn't intend to. They only gave like 1/3 of the rewards at first. It was only after huge back lash of players bombarding them with negative comments on the forum and face book and review bombing the game in the app store and stopping any spending they did on the game that they gave us full retro rewards.They've never updated feeders since then. So players have inferredfrom this that don't want to give us full rewards for retro feeders but also know the fans will riot if they update feeders and don't give 100 percent of the retro rewards.
Yepyep said: KGB said:<snip>I imagine these extra characters are the way they are going to catch up on feeders. If that's the case, then for all those complaining, Shardmas is what's caused this to have to happen since they don't want another retro reward debacle.<snip> KGB How was it a debacle? I thought it was great...
KGB said:<snip>I imagine these extra characters are the way they are going to catch up on feeders. If that's the case, then for all those complaining, Shardmas is what's caused this to have to happen since they don't want another retro reward debacle.<snip> KGB
DarthDeVo said: nixed said: IceIX said:To assist with the distribution of this sudden character windfall, we’ll be giving away a copy of this bonus character, pro bono. What does this mean exactly? You're giving us an extra 1k HP to go with the character? Or an extra roster slot for everyone? Or are you guys just throwing a few extra covers at us and saying it's a "free" character? Because if it's just covers, then saying you're "giving it away for free" seems a little duplicitous, no? Like I understand that most of the MPQ forum users are likely 5+ year players who are already post-HP, but the vast majority of players are not yet Post-HP. Sudden extra characters, and the trend of knowing there are new 3-stars coming in addition to 4's and 5's is a bit concerning. I'd kill to have my roster slots only cost 1K HP again. No, once you're past 300, each slot is 2K a pop. It's not really all that hard to get at least one cover for a new 4*, so forgive me if some "free" cover(s) isn't exactly doing much for me. If you're handing out a free roster slot to roster said "free" bonus character, that's a different story. But I see this and all I can really think is, "Great, gonna have to cough up an extra 2K HP now."
nixed said: IceIX said:To assist with the distribution of this sudden character windfall, we’ll be giving away a copy of this bonus character, pro bono. What does this mean exactly? You're giving us an extra 1k HP to go with the character? Or an extra roster slot for everyone? Or are you guys just throwing a few extra covers at us and saying it's a "free" character? Because if it's just covers, then saying you're "giving it away for free" seems a little duplicitous, no? Like I understand that most of the MPQ forum users are likely 5+ year players who are already post-HP, but the vast majority of players are not yet Post-HP. Sudden extra characters, and the trend of knowing there are new 3-stars coming in addition to 4's and 5's is a bit concerning.
IceIX said:To assist with the distribution of this sudden character windfall, we’ll be giving away a copy of this bonus character, pro bono.
HoundofShadow said: The latest 4* preview doesn't look like She-Hulk. There isn't any tile destruction at all, which is typical of all the Hulks in-game.She-Hulk releases on August 17 and this means the bonus 4* is related to She-Hulk because it's the closest date to her TV show and the fact that they are giving away free cover for this bonus 4* character kind of strengthen the argument. Anyway, the new 4* ability is interesting.
Virus said: HoundofShadow said: The latest 4* preview doesn't look like She-Hulk. There isn't any tile destruction at all, which is typical of all the Hulks in-game.She-Hulk releases on August 17 and this means the bonus 4* is related to She-Hulk because it's the closest date to her TV show and the fact that they are giving away free cover for this bonus 4* character kind of strengthen the argument. Anyway, the new 4* ability is interesting. You were wrong….again.
KGB said: Here's the other thing no one's considered. How many players would pay 2K in hero points to turn a 4* into a feeder? I bet a LOT of players would be happy to pay 2K to turn character X into a 5* feeder (no retro rewards, just straight turn a 4* into a feeder).That's essentially all that's happening. We are paying 2K to get a 5* feeder. Given how players constantly ask for feeders for the unfed 5* you'd think there would be a lineup around the block to pay 2K because that's VASTLY cheaper than buying out one of the limited vaults for 500 shards given you can earn up to 6 covers for a max champed 4. KGBP.S. I expect the newly released 3* will dual feed 4*s in order to start catching up on the crazy number of unfed 4*.
ThaRoadWarrior said:that being said, the game is getting pretty close to 300 unique characters as it is, so the 1 of everybody crowd will get there sooner than later. Right now including Chasm, Spider Glider, Bonus 4*, and 1*s there are 270 unique characters available I think? I just have a single 1* for ddq and 5 4* duplicates because their originals have hit max champ and it took me 2300 days to have that happen or whatever it's been. So we're less than a year away from there being 300 characters in game at the new 3 characters per month (assuming no further bonuses) release schedule once simultaneous 3/5s begin.
ThaRoadWarrior said: I don’t keep dupes of 2*s, I flip them as soon as they hit max champ. You definitely done need to keep dupes for those to work right if you are playing the high SCLs because they aren’t required for anything. Same with 3*s. They don’t add anything even to PVP at high levels, they are just node access keys. I realize many people do, I’m merely saying you super don’t HAVE to.