Daredevil217 said: The last two posts are disingenuous at best. I don’t see this idea of nerf Hulk and we “go back to Okoye/Thor meta” being remotely true. The meta had passed them by ever since Gritty became a thing. Once defensively strong teams like Gritty, Bishop/whoever, HammerHawk, BRBitty, Profslaught, BRB/Apoc, and some Carbage based teams came along, Thorkoye became a play at your own risk pairing. Okoye remained awesome in offense only PVE, so people who spent large sums on her we’re still getting their money’s worth. But in PVP even at 550, she was a joke compared to other shiner defensive pairs and quite frankly was a liability. IHulk is the one who changed all that. Nerfing him might mean going back to BRBitty, or Profslaught becoming more of a meta staple, but you can’t convince me Okoye remains queen in PVP without Hulk. tonypq said:Ihulk isn't going to be the last character to make a super strong combo with Okoye. Whether some other character has passive damage, cheap actives, or used with a third wheel character who can reduce ability cost, greatly accelerate attack power generation etc. The way WF works with no ramp up time or boost limit, there are likely going to be more juiced up team combos to come. I can name several examples of characters who do these things that exist in the game right now. We don’t have to wait for some future release. And guess what? You’re right. They all pair great with Okoye! And if you nerf Hulk, guess what? Not ONE of those pairs will be meta! Okoye is an offense only character period. Which means that normally is a liability to play in half the game. So why isn’t this the case right now? Her partner in crime can’t die and his passive pretty much has to do nothing in order to proc every turn. Point blank. Okoye isn’t this PVP terror you all think she is without Hulk. The meta had already passed her by but the addition of NeverDie to the game is the only reason she’s relevant.
tonypq said:Ihulk isn't going to be the last character to make a super strong combo with Okoye. Whether some other character has passive damage, cheap actives, or used with a third wheel character who can reduce ability cost, greatly accelerate attack power generation etc. The way WF works with no ramp up time or boost limit, there are likely going to be more juiced up team combos to come.
Daredevil217 said: I don’t see this idea of nerf Hulk and we “go back to Okoye/Thor meta” being remotely true. The meta had passed them by ever since Gritty became a thing. Once defensively strong teams like Gritty, Bishop/whoever, HammerHawk, BRBitty, Profslaught, BRB/Apoc, and some Carbage based teams came along, Thorkoye became a play at your own risk pairing. Okoye remained awesome in offense only PVE, so people who spent large sums on her we’re still getting their money’s worth. But in PVP even at 550, she was a joke compared to other shiner defensive pairs and quite frankly was a liability. IHulk is the one who changed all that. Nerfing him might mean going back to BRBitty, or Profslaught becoming more of a meta staple, but you can’t convince me Okoye remains queen in PVP without Hulk.
Bad said: Is that a normal meta, to equip and wasting resources like the player was facing the worst hellish nightmare?
fight4thedream said: Daredevil217 said: The last two posts are disingenuous at best. I don’t see this idea of nerf Hulk and we “go back to Okoye/Thor meta” being remotely true. The meta had passed them by ever since Gritty became a thing. Once defensively strong teams like Gritty, Bishop/whoever, HammerHawk, BRBitty, Profslaught, BRB/Apoc, and some Carbage based teams came along, Thorkoye became a play at your own risk pairing. Okoye remained awesome in offense only PVE, so people who spent large sums on her we’re still getting their money’s worth. But in PVP even at 550, she was a joke compared to other shiner defensive pairs and quite frankly was a liability. IHulk is the one who changed all that. Nerfing him might mean going back to BRBitty, or Profslaught becoming more of a meta staple, but you can’t convince me Okoye remains queen in PVP without Hulk. tonypq said:Ihulk isn't going to be the last character to make a super strong combo with Okoye. Whether some other character has passive damage, cheap actives, or used with a third wheel character who can reduce ability cost, greatly accelerate attack power generation etc. The way WF works with no ramp up time or boost limit, there are likely going to be more juiced up team combos to come. I can name several examples of characters who do these things that exist in the game right now. We don’t have to wait for some future release. And guess what? You’re right. They all pair great with Okoye! And if you nerf Hulk, guess what? Not ONE of those pairs will be meta! Okoye is an offense only character period. Which means that normally is a liability to play in half the game. So why isn’t this the case right now? Her partner in crime can’t die and his passive pretty much has to do nothing in order to proc every turn. Point blank. Okoye isn’t this PVP terror you all think she is without Hulk. The meta had already passed her by but the addition of NeverDie to the game is the only reason she’s relevant. Woah there partner, I can't speak for tonypq, but I would appreciate it if you read my post more carefully. I am talking specifically about high end PvP play. You're totally ignoring the fact that most high end players have 500 + Okoye character and you expect me to believe they are going to put Okoye on the bench for characters they more than likely don't have at a high level? Additionally, two of the teams you mentioned, specifically Bishop and HammerHawk, are out of commission and if I remember correctly you were quite vocal about having nerfed. Had they not been nerfed, the meta would have been undoubtedly more interesting and varied than it is now. BRB/Kitty teams are easily dealt with by Thor/Okoye by simply bringing a 3* Loki TU and can now be even countered with Thor/Apoc which I did name drop. I will admit Apoc/Beta would definitely see more play and it is a shame it sits right outside of the current meta. While I respect your vast knowledge of various characters and your enthusiasm for champing and trying out various combinations, as far as I am aware you are not a high end competitive player. Obviously things would be different for casual players but casual players aren't really trying to use meta characters every match. I do find it funny that you are trying to argue Okoye and Thor wouldn't be meta when your own Character Ranking and Analysis lists them currently at #1 and #2. So who's being disingenuous here?
Phumade said: at the top 5% tier yes. Especially since the spicy tokens have largely made the +3 boost a free resource.
SnowcaTT said: Phumade said: at the top 5% tier yes. Especially since the spicy tokens have largely made the +3 boost a free resource.Do tell me more about this +3 boost
Phumade said: at the top 5% tier yes.
Bad said: Phumade said: at the top 5% tier yes. You answered it by yourself. But Im not on the 5% top tier. I can rank t50 on pvp if it is not too much populated.And months ago I didnt had to use such tactics.
HoundofShadow said: So, any player who have 550 characters are exploiting the system? The dev didn't mentioned that players are not allowed to 550 characters until a certain time period has passed. You took time to develop good rosters, and those 550 players took years of hoarding to get good rosters of their own. Since Okoye is a meta character; naturally, those competitive players or players influenced by Okoye's strength want to level her as high as possible.Anyway, let's assume Okoye got nerfed. It's indisputable that Apocalypse will be the next in line to take the throne. Do you know:1) IHulk and Apocalypse were in the same LT Store together?2) what the stat of 550 Apocalypse looks like, or even 550 IHulk?Here are their statsApocalypse550, 3/5/5 build, HP: 185, 516Match damage: 1898/1687/1476Black: 20579 * 4Red: 8864 * 4Yellow: +18996Immortal Hulk550,5/3/5, HP: 86,510Match damage: 1852/1646/1441Green: 11866 AoE + 3704 tile damageRed: 70219Black: 5417 (self), 15757 (ally)Apocalypse has 50% more hp than Okoye. He can easily one shot 2 baby champed 5* characters in PvPs with his black and yellow power. If you see 550 Apocalypse with Ihulk, are you going to ask for his nerf next?My Okoye is 450 and my IHulk is still a long way from being champed. I've taken on IHulkoye teams 30+ levels above my team and with boosts, I can defeat them without luck in a pick 2. Who exactly are you using to beat iHulkoye levels?
Mayo said:A player that has an okoye at 550 is not exploiting the system, probably has a few other characters at that level and if okoye dissappears, is nerfed or limited they will not really care.
Phumade said: Mayo said:A player that has an okoye at 550 is not exploiting the system, probably has a few other characters at that level and if okoye dissappears, is nerfed or limited they will not really care. The thing is those players all remember OML and Gambit and all the associated dev promises. So “adjustments” to 5* chars are the single most scrutinized change in the game.Adjustments to MMR, event or reward redesign are far far far more preferable changes than seeing chars adjusted down.
jp1 said: Unbelievable that this thread has gained so much traction. I, for one, am against the Tonya Harding approach to competition. I don’t place well in PvP and it is was it is, don’t want mine or anyone else’s toys to be ruined so I can feel or do better.that doesn’t mean it isn’t selfish.
Daredevil217 said: fight4thedream said: Daredevil217 said: The last two posts are disingenuous at best. I don’t see this idea of nerf Hulk and we “go back to Okoye/Thor meta” being remotely true. The meta had passed them by ever since Gritty became a thing. Once defensively strong teams like Gritty, Bishop/whoever, HammerHawk, BRBitty, Profslaught, BRB/Apoc, and some Carbage based teams came along, Thorkoye became a play at your own risk pairing. Okoye remained awesome in offense only PVE, so people who spent large sums on her we’re still getting their money’s worth. But in PVP even at 550, she was a joke compared to other shiner defensive pairs and quite frankly was a liability. IHulk is the one who changed all that. Nerfing him might mean going back to BRBitty, or Profslaught becoming more of a meta staple, but you can’t convince me Okoye remains queen in PVP without Hulk. tonypq said:Ihulk isn't going to be the last character to make a super strong combo with Okoye. Whether some other character has passive damage, cheap actives, or used with a third wheel character who can reduce ability cost, greatly accelerate attack power generation etc. The way WF works with no ramp up time or boost limit, there are likely going to be more juiced up team combos to come. I can name several examples of characters who do these things that exist in the game right now. We don’t have to wait for some future release. And guess what? You’re right. They all pair great with Okoye! And if you nerf Hulk, guess what? Not ONE of those pairs will be meta! Okoye is an offense only character period. Which means that normally is a liability to play in half the game. So why isn’t this the case right now? Her partner in crime can’t die and his passive pretty much has to do nothing in order to proc every turn. Point blank. Okoye isn’t this PVP terror you all think she is without Hulk. The meta had already passed her by but the addition of NeverDie to the game is the only reason she’s relevant. Woah there partner, I can't speak for tonypq, but I would appreciate it if you read my post more carefully. I am talking specifically about high end PvP play. You're totally ignoring the fact that most high end players have 500 + Okoye character and you expect me to believe they are going to put Okoye on the bench for characters they more than likely don't have at a high level? Additionally, two of the teams you mentioned, specifically Bishop and HammerHawk, are out of commission and if I remember correctly you were quite vocal about having nerfed. Had they not been nerfed, the meta would have been undoubtedly more interesting and varied than it is now. BRB/Kitty teams are easily dealt with by Thor/Okoye by simply bringing a 3* Loki TU and can now be even countered with Thor/Apoc which I did name drop. I will admit Apoc/Beta would definitely see more play and it is a shame it sits right outside of the current meta. While I respect your vast knowledge of various characters and your enthusiasm for champing and trying out various combinations, as far as I am aware you are not a high end competitive player. Obviously things would be different for casual players but casual players aren't really trying to use meta characters every match. I do find it funny that you are trying to argue Okoye and Thor wouldn't be meta when your own Character Ranking and Analysis lists them currently at #1 and #2. So who's being disingenuous here? Seems I struck a nerve? If it wasn’t clear, I’m operating on the assumption that people have more than one option. If a person’s only 550 is Okoye, sure they’ll probably use her with other partners. And she’ll be a target to those with better (more meta) options.As you so eloquently pointed out, I’m a “small fish” and even I don’t struggle with high level Okoye sans Hulk. So my guess is other 550 folks who have Professor, Onslaught, Apoc, Beta, Kitty, Carnage, etc. will opt to use them because they are flat out better defensively. I imagine the only reason why one would still use Okoye would be because they invested solely in her (or they just play for wins/fun and only care about offense). And they will probably target every Okoye they can find with Hulk out of the picture. I mean, of course I could be wrong. I know at my level (everyone champed, all options available) Thorkoye fell out of the meta. Was everyone still running Thorkoye the way IHulk is dominating now once the above-named characters were released and maxed out?Oh, and if you want to know why Okoye is ranked number one, all you have to do is read. I thought I spelled it out pretty clearly. Okoye is a PVE staple where offense is the only thing that matters. She’s also, thanks to Immortal Hulk clogging all the PVE queues as well (well... mine. Maybe it’s different at your level of play). Her presence in both areas of the game make her clearly the best character.