Revised Event: Welcome to S.H.I.E.L.D.

DAZ0273

I got close, ready to drop the whales and win and then a cascade killed Deadpool and now I have no more health packs. Will let them regen but this is not overly fun.

jamesh

OJSP said:

Rod5 said:

bluewolf said:

In case people haven't noticed, these node are just the exact same nodes they used in ST scaled up.

This Day 2 5E node used to require the 3 essential 4s.

Tomorrow it'll be Thing, Mordo and 4SL scaled to like L600 or whatever.

Begs the question - what is day 4?

We just don't know yet. All we know is it's a wave node (first post).

I think it will probably have a high level 3*Captain Marvel triggering Energy Absorption or 2* Storm doing Raging Tempest..

The first post says there will be loaner characters available for that final node.  It will be interesting to see whether those loaners have any chance of completing the node.  At least it won't cost any health packs to try.

HoundofShadow

Everyone's most hated character works too. Just saying. 

Xception81

HoundofShadow said:

Everyone's most hated character works too. Just saying. 

And who is that? <edit> Oh Bishop... duh.  

Loosie

Finally!!! I brought Red/Yellow +2 AP as well as all coloured +2 AP. Was then lucky enough to get a 5-star match right away, and able to fire off kitty's red next turn, and yellow turn after that. That got some strikes out from OML, and they fired their team-up quickly as well so I got attacks from kitty's red. Was able to deny blue and green enough that Riri went down, my special tile stayed long enough that they kept getting boosted and Mockingbird went down quickly. Then it was just the goon.

Dogface

HoundofShadow said:

Everyone's most hated character works too. Just saying. 

Thank you very much. Killed it with clergy 

Rod5

The other strategy worth thinking about is taking out the Decoy 1st as he generates a load of green AP for Riri and black for himself - 2 AP per turn.

HoundofShadow

Valkyrie works too well. I think she is the best that I have tried. No ap boost and no support used. You don't need to worry about opponent gaining red ap.

I have won five times with Valkyrie (5/5/3) and a useless OML. If you want to speed up the fight, load up on +3 yellow ap. A low champion level Valkyrie is an advantage here.

Edit: 
List of characters that I used to win:
Eddie Brock
C&D
Bishop
America Chavez
Valkyrie

Southside84

I got through using 5* strange with a lv 200 vibranium ore.  Make sure you have good supports equipped, especially if your Logan is useless like mine.

Crimson bands riri and hit red AP to slow Mockingbird.  I ended up using an MBW team up as well.  Patsy boosting Logan's strikes and the shield from supports saved the day.

bluewolf

DAZ0273 said:

I got close, ready to drop the whales and win and then a cascade killed Deadpool and now I have no more health packs. Will let them regen but this is not overly fun.

You should ask your alliance for 3DP teamups and just bring one of those. Run someone who can live long enough to get 14 TU AP. 

MrPlow

Did it with my lvl255 OML and 278 Bishop.  Loaded up on color boosts and got Hellcat powers to work as quick as possible and stun as much as possible.

Vhailorx

Revised thoughts after playing day 2:

(1) in theory 200 4* shards in fine. In practice, this event is more hassle than 200 4* shards is worth.

(2) locking progress behind a pick-1 node that scales to level 500+ and requires players to use a classic 5* and a new 4* is terrible design.

(3) the preview thread was incredibly deficient.  It lacked all important information about essentials (now 2*-5*, rather than just 3x old 4*s), and scaling (now perhaps as high as 600?), as well as not even including a table of rewards.

Vhailorx

OJSP said:

Vhailorx said:

the preview thread was incredibly deficient.  It lacked all important information about essentials (now 2*-5*, rather than just 3x old 4*s)

How much speak peek is enough before it becomes a spoiler?

I'd think the stars above the nodes are an indication of that (and the listed characters in the vault had people guessing that already)

If they already gave it away by inference, then what is the harm in saying explicitly?

And as for the first question: this wasn't a sneak peak, this was an announcement reintroducing a much-requested event. Why would spoilers be a concern at all?!

The changes should have been explicitly described so plays didn't have to make inferences and educated guess abiut the new system even afrer re-reading the post multiple times.  Also, it is not particularly credible that they just happened to leave out important, player-unfriendly information from yet another anouncement post.  Demi/d3 has a long history of glossing over or leaving out the bad news while hyping the good news as much as possible in their announcements. When years and years of "good faith oversights" all generally point in the same direction, it's probably not good faith error so much as straight spin.

Rod5

If you make an event that caters for all playing levels, then it surely there will be rewards that only the strongest rosters can access. In the same way that small rosters don’t get CL10 rewards. Otherwise you make one for different CLs and it’s basically just another PvE event.

ArchusMonk

Sadly I was correct. They decided to lock 4* rewards behind a required 5*. 4* rosters will max out at 50 shards for the event. This is 50 more shards than I would have if they hadn’t brought back ST, but it’s 350 less than I might have been able to get with the old ST.

I understand that new 4* covers and shards are no longer as difficult to get as they were before, but I don’t understand why that fact should preclude me from at least having a chance at obtaining the other 150 shards and the vault token. They could have loaned out OML 3/3/3 day 2 and 1/1/1 day 3, so I could have at least tried the nodes without any realistic chance of winning outside of extreme luck or whale points. (And just to be clear, if they ever run this for a 5* release, I would not expect any 5* loaner on any day.)

Anyways, day 1 was great. The sandbox mode is great.  However, the design decisions regarding progression reward structure and especially locking the bulk of the rewards behind a required 5* really sucked most of my enjoyment out of this event. 

ArchusMonk

Rod5 said:

If you make an event that caters for all playing levels, then it surely there will be rewards that only the strongest rosters can access. In the same way that small rosters don’t get CL10 rewards. Otherwise you make one for different CLs and it’s basically just another PvE event.

I don’t mind not getting all the rewards. I mind not at least having the opportunity to try for them when the rewards are 4* and I have a 4* roster. Loan me an underpowered OML so I can at least try. When the reward is 5*, then lock me out until I’m 5*. I have no issue with that. 

ROTBI

Wow, that last node is some grade A bull carp!  Even with Cloak bringing Riri down to level 1 she still mowed through my team like nothing,

This wasn't even remotely close to fair.

DAZ0273

bluewolf said:

DAZ0273 said:

I got close, ready to drop the whales and win and then a cascade killed Deadpool and now I have no more health packs. Will let them regen but this is not overly fun.

You should ask your alliance for 3DP teamups and just bring one of those. Run someone who can live long enough to get 14 TU AP. 

My Alliance is probably incapable of this but hey, I shall give it a try. Beyond that - this is ridiculous and why bother?

Michael1957

I’m sure 99% of the people complaining how hard this is are the same ones who only use Gritty, BRBishop or Hammerhawk and since it’s not possible to us them here they’re clueless how to win without using them. 

Waddles_Pines

Used oml lvl 340 and Lvl 333 Peggy with loaner hellcat.  Kill decoy first, then mbird...

Oh and get hellcat's repeater out fast...