New Feature in R191: Shards

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  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 5,945 Chairperson of the Boards
    jamesh said:
    Thanks.  That looks like what I was after.  That "stats and more" screen is a bit of a mess.
    Indeed it is.

    It's worth noting that you can hold Shards forever, so you can keep a cover(s) in reserve until you need it or want to use it.
  • DyingLegend
    DyingLegend Posts: 1,211 Chairperson of the Boards
    Shard costs are too high. Needs to be cut in half. 
  • Rhipf
    Rhipf Posts: 295 Mover and Shaker
    spatenfloot said:
    BoyWonder1914 said:
    Highly curious now what the numbers are going to look like for shards given in placement/progression. This feels like a snails pace in terms of how frequently I got 3-star BHs, at least in current state. Could say the same for 4s and 5s though definitely not to as significant a degree. How they dole these out in other parts of the game is gonna be critical.
    I opened a small batch of standard tokens after the patch. Under BH I would have gotten three 3 star covers. Under shards, I got 1/3 of one.
     If you only got 1/3 of a 3* you must have opened ~17 standard tokens (or had multiple 3* favourites). If you previously got three 3* covers in 17 standard pulls you really had good luck drawing 3*s from standard tokens.
  • shardwick
    shardwick Posts: 2,121 Chairperson of the Boards
    @IceIX The in-game FAQ says that although you can't favorite a limited character you can still get shards for them. Are limited characters available in the Shard Store?
  • spatenfloot
    spatenfloot Posts: 665 Critical Contributor
    Rhipf said:
    spatenfloot said:
    BoyWonder1914 said:
    Highly curious now what the numbers are going to look like for shards given in placement/progression. This feels like a snails pace in terms of how frequently I got 3-star BHs, at least in current state. Could say the same for 4s and 5s though definitely not to as significant a degree. How they dole these out in other parts of the game is gonna be critical.
    I opened a small batch of standard tokens after the patch. Under BH I would have gotten three 3 star covers. Under shards, I got 1/3 of one.
     If you only got 1/3 of a 3* you must have opened ~17 standard tokens (or had multiple 3* favourites). If you previously got three 3* covers in 17 standard pulls you really had good luck drawing 3*s from standard tokens.
    Yes, that's my problem with the shards. There are no lucky streaks to get players excited.
  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 183 Tile Toppler
    edited November 2019
    pheregas said:
    ThaRoadWarrior said:
    pheregas said:
    I'll probably never get a 3* shard to max.   By the time my shardable 3 has enough points to get the cover, I'll probably have already earned it organically.
    3* shards are going to be for feeder levels for me. I'll just park it and never change it.
    Yeah...  I'll see how that goes.  Might just park it at Hawkeye to get the 20 Kate covers I need to finally champ 5* Hawkeye.

    It used to be I'd just select whoever gave me the LT or 4* next.

    And the irony is not lost on me that I'm using 3* shards to earn a 4* to get 5* feeder covers instead of directly sharding the desired 5*.
    Not to be all negative but.. how disappointing will it be if you pull the 5* Hawkeye you need and now those shards sit unused on the 3* and 4*?
  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 183 Tile Toppler
    edited November 2019
    Reecoh said:
    The new UI issues aside ... opening my mini hoard from the last week of Heroics & Elites something was missing for me. I realized that I was expecting the shards to be better when I got a higher tier cover - which corresponded to the possibility of a matching tier bonus hero after all this time. That's missing now, you just get the same shard count no matter what.
    That coupled with having to keep an eye on the shard count while I open has really made opening the tokens feel less fun now.

    In my opinion this is going to drive away new players pretty quickly.  Having to do even more in this game to get further along is not a good thing when looking for a fun game.  Fun often equates with relaxing.  This is not relaxing.

    I quit MBL when it got to be too many mechanics.  Seems I'm headed that way for MPQ now.  I'm actually regretting buying HP during the anniversary now.  Sorry Marvel games.  
  • aftarquino
    aftarquino Posts: 13 Just Dropped In
    Honestly, what is the advantage of shards instead of Bonus Hero?
    With BH you could assign more than one character and wait for a lucky pull, now if you assign more than one char you need to wait a century to have 500 shards and, when you have, probably this char will be with13 covers and champed.
    Complete waste of time.
  • crackninja
    crackninja Posts: 444 Mover and Shaker
    Lilith said:
    Double Plus Good Brothers!  Your Shard Rations have been Raised from 5% to 3%!
    We have always been at war with bonus heroes...
  • pheregas
    pheregas Posts: 1,721 Chairperson of the Boards
    Chameleon said:
    pheregas said:
    ThaRoadWarrior said:
    pheregas said:
    I'll probably never get a 3* shard to max.   By the time my shardable 3 has enough points to get the cover, I'll probably have already earned it organically.
    3* shards are going to be for feeder levels for me. I'll just park it and never change it.
    Yeah...  I'll see how that goes.  Might just park it at Hawkeye to get the 20 Kate covers I need to finally champ 5* Hawkeye.

    It used to be I'd just select whoever gave me the LT or 4* next.

    And the irony is not lost on me that I'm using 3* shards to earn a 4* to get 5* feeder covers instead of directly sharding the desired 5*.
    Not to be all negative but.. how disappointing will it be if you pull the 5* Hawkeye you need and now those shards sit unused on the 3* and 4*?
    It would surely be disappointing, but it would also be impossible.  I don't pull from special new release stores except for the earned new release tokens and I only pull from Latests.  Ain't nobody got time for classics dilution.
  • firethorne
    firethorne Posts: 1,505 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited November 2019
    So, now that this is in action, I see a potentially infuriating scenario.

    Say you have a 5* at 4/4/4, and you specifically want to use the system to champ characters.  Say you get 450/500 shards, and then by pure chance you draw that final cover from a token.  So, you'll have a 5/4/4 and 450 shards.  That 450 isn't transferable to a different character, is it?  If you're using this as a way to champ old characters, it seems like you need to accumulate shards long before you'll know if you actually need them or not.  I honestly don't understand why they set that up as a per-character resource rather than a generic currency you could spend when you wanted on who you wanted.


  • DeNappa
    DeNappa Posts: 1,399 Chairperson of the Boards
    firethorne said:
    So, now that this is in action, I see a potentially infuriating scenario.

    Say you have a 5* at 4/4/4, and you specifically want to use the system to champ characters.  Say you get 450/500 shards, and then by pure chance you draw that final cover from a token.  So, you'll have a 5/4/4 and 450 shards.  That 450 isn't transferable to a different character, is it?  If you're using this as a way to champ old characters, it seems like you need to accumulate shards long before you'll know if you actually need them or not.  I honestly don't understand why they set that up as a per-character resource rather than a generic currency you could spend when you wanted on who you wanted.
    This scenario plus the decrease in "bonus return" stats have been the main concerns raised by the skeptics from pretty early in this thread :p.
  • shardwick
    shardwick Posts: 2,121 Chairperson of the Boards
    bluewolf said:
    The "shards in other places" thing better come along quickly.  As of right now this all feels very much like being sold a "New and Improved!" box of cereal and finding out that they are putting 1/2 the amount in the same size box. 
    Don't get me started on that. Reminds me of being a kid when a family size box of cereal lasted forever. These days you're lucky to get like three or four bowls of cereal from it.
  • Dogface
    Dogface Posts: 1,000 Chairperson of the Boards
    shardwick said:
    bluewolf said:
    The "shards in other places" thing better come along quickly.  As of right now this all feels very much like being sold a "New and Improved!" box of cereal and finding out that they are putting 1/2 the amount in the same size box. 
    Don't get me started on that. Reminds me of being a kid when a family size box of cereal lasted forever. These days you're lucky to get like three or four bowls of cereal from it.
    And then there are those tricks by which they decrease the size and keep the price the same, in order not to jack up the price. Candy bars are a good example of this.
  • RickOShay
    RickOShay Posts: 452 Mover and Shaker
    edited November 2019
    Some of us are being way too negative. If BH was never a thing, we would completely love TH.

    That said, (negatives):

    We certainly didn't need a separate screen showing our Shards accumulated after every single token draw.

    The current drop rate being lower than BH's needs to be addressed ASAP, to let us know how and where the difference will be made up (I believe it will be close to fair).

    Man I wish we could transfer shards to a different character for an HP fee, or just have general Tier based shards. But I get that this takes too much chance away and would not allow for proper monetization.

    Other parts of this implementation could have been planned differently / better.
    Many of us have continually mentioned assembling a Player based 'Adviser' team, to correspond with the Dev's on roll outs like this. And I for one should NOT be allowed. I'm continually over-positive.
    @IceIX

    Back to the Positives that I believe many are overshadowing: 

    Choosing your TH Cover color can have tremendous value. This will save me tons of draws on 5* Professor X for example. 
    I just pulled 234 Legendary draws and got Xavier from 0/1/0 to 3/7/2 with 500 Shards saved. 
    Never would I have assigned a BH to a character with 5+ in a color, but now I can safely hold those shards for when I pull again, and simply purchase the blue or black if it happens to run behind the others. 
    So many 5* characters I went through months of dread simply because I couldn't rationally assign a BH to their build (6/4/1, 3/7/2, etc etc).

    Look through the forums for people posting about BH Cold Streaks.
    TH means that you will Never have a cold streak again. Yes we need to be earning shards from non-token areas of the game. We will. Hopefully very soon. 

    Getting characters to 10 covers to be ready for Shield Training:
    This will be just as tricky as it was before, but at least you have certainty on how many pulls it will take from different token areas. With BH you had No Guarantee that you will earn covers from a certain number of draws. Sure you had odds and expectations, but no certainty.
    With TH you can be Assured to get 1 4* cover from 27 Latest draws, or from lots of Heroics, and now the upcoming Mighty Token draws. Maybe some of us will assign new characters as our TH immediately once they can be set. Watch your shards a bit and plan accordingly. It's a bit more management and we're stuck on that character now. 
    Well, ask around to see how many people had Worthy Cap at 5+ yellow and very few blue and red...

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