** Moonstone (Dark Avengers) ** [PRE 2015-05]

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Anyways, this isn't NEARLY as bad as the time the devs said that IW was underrated because their metrics showed that players had a hard time beating her (in a Simulator node where goons were feeding her 4 of all her colors every turn)

IamTheDanger

Maybe they meant for low level players. I remember when I was early on in the game, with Zero maxed 2 characters, I used Moonstone quite a bit. For a fully maxed 3 roster, not so much when there are much better ways to deal with special tiles, i.e. Steve Rogers.

scottee

JCTthe3rd81 wrote:

Maybe they meant for low level players. I remember when I was early on in the game, with Zero maxed 2 characters, I used Moonstone quite a bit. For a fully maxed 3 roster, not so much when there are much better ways to deal with special tiles, i.e. Steve Rogers.

This. Most people just don't have her leveled.

During DA PVP's, when most only have Ares/Daken, having Ares/Daken/Moonstone absolutely slaughters the competition.

And even when the enemy has two colors of special tiles, you can often still use it in a spot that creates or setups up matches for both colors. But that's probably too much thinking for most.

Unknown

Per HailMary, Moonstone is indispensable and everyone should have one. I'll wait till they max theirs before I get one.

dkffiv

emaker27 wrote:

Uhhhh.... that quote sounds a tad bit crazy for a few reasons:

1. Who uses IM40?
2. Who uses IM40 with a 2* character, let alone Moonstone?
3. Are you sure you want to take on a 4* Wolverine with those two? Don't you know that player has other great characters if 4* Wolverine is viable for them?
4. By the time Moonstone gets enough black, 4* Wolverine either can fire 2 power moves or almost that.

(Non combative statement) I'm really curious how often and to what frequency the dev and design teams play the live game.

IM40 (5/4/4) OBW Punisher is an effective combo, I used it to take on some of the level 300+ nodes in simulator when everyone else was injured or dead. Does OBW count as a 2*? Points 3+4 are valid though.

*Combo specifics: IM tanks blue for OBW so you can gather it safely for heals. Recharge fuels Punisher's red + green (IM40 red if its needed) and OBW's blue and purple. Constantly steal their AP with OBW and spam her blue to prevent people dying from match damage, match purple if its safe for OBW (who double dips on the strike tiles to boot). Punisher strike tiles boost your match damage to 1k+ a turn and Punisher black is like 1.4k aoe. Use punisher red (sometimes with a double tap) to take down large HP target. IM40 can use his red or blue if you really need it but its mostly the OBW Punisher show with IM40 being a meatbag battery.

Mawtful

rednailz wrote:

Lerysh wrote:

emaker27 wrote:

Uhhhh.... that quote sounds a tad bit crazy for a few reasons:

1. Who uses IM40?
2. Who uses IM40 with a 2* character, let alone Moonstone?
3. Are you sure you want to take on a 4* Wolverine with those two? Don't you know that player has other great characters if 4* Wolverine is viable for them?
4. By the time Moonstone gets enough black, 4* Wolverine either can fire 2 power moves or almost that.

(Non combative statement) I'm really curious how often and to what frequency the dev and design teams play the live game.

The funny part about that answer was I think IM40 is one of the most underrated characters. At 166 he's got high HP and his yellow skill is quite the boost to certain teams. Plus Patch loves it when he stuns himself and hands over 9 red.

If you last for the 20 turns required to get up enough AP to use one of his abilities, and have enough extra AP to compensate for his extra AP drains. I love seeing IM40's up for attack on PVP. I'd put LCap against IM40 any day.

But LCap isn't underrated.

GTannen73

HawkeyeSucks wrote:

my favourite comment was where the dev said taking control of X-Forces healing tile is sweet.

I challenge them to put up a video that shows them get the ungodly amount of for control shift and have it go off against X-Force.

bunch of out of touch developers, i tell ya.

I actually did this once. No kidding. It was several months ago and I didn't get video of it, but it was pretty sweet. I doubt I'll ever do it again though.

GTannen73

stephen43084 wrote:

Per HailMary, Moonstone is indispensable and everyone should have one. I'll wait till they max theirs before I get one.

(raises hand) Got one! Maxed and everything. Of course, this was long before I had any viable 3* characters, so I had the Iso to spare. I even use her once in a while, usually when I really, really want an active purple power, as my Deadpool only has one purple cover at this point. But she's won me a few matches, and even stolen X-Force's Recovery tile once.

PuceMoose

The thing that makes me sad is that she's *so close* to being a fun, high-tier 2-star character. Halve the cost of black, allow the player to choose the special tile for purple, and boom, she's fun, versatile, and potentially scary to play against if you aren't paying proper attention.

babinro

Underrated doesn't mean over powered.
It simply means the character is stronger than people give credit for through their actions/words.

I'd actually agree with the devs in this case. I think if Moonstone were buffed in PvE's sometimes and more importantly made AVAILABLE at all than we'd see more people put levels into her. As is, it's a complete waste of time because seemingly 50% of all nodes have her as an enemy. At least, they used to at the time when I was deciding who to level and who to skip.

Unknown

The gap between 2* and 3* is too large.... for damage duer > no place for her / for board control > sorry lots of character do better than her / for meat shield ...sorry....

resources is too tight for maxing everyone. We have to choice and there are too many better character there

soild 2 C . Mag / Thor / Ares / BWO / C storm / Daken / Wov ...just so many....too many

GothicKratos

I'll just repost this;

GothicKratos wrote:

This is one of those moments I would like to remind everyone on the forums that a fair 80% of the player base is not a competitive player and whether Moonstone can beat X-Force just doesn't matter to them. She has pretty damn good HP and her Purple is situational but relatively good. That's good enough for the average player. I even used her for a good portion of time -- up until I basically maxed my first 2* actually. Was she on my A-Team? Of course not, but I did use her frequently enough to say she was part of my usual teams. And before I got my first decent 2* she was my go to replacement for my single Purple cover Magneto paired with Iron Man and Storm (whom was later replaced by Wolverine --- and was ultimately her downfall). Point being, endgame isn't what the majority of player have in mind. The average Joe is happy to have a time sink he can play as the Avengers in or a version of Candy Crush that doesn't make him look like a complete puss or whatever other mundane thing that average people want from a mobile game.

Thank you for the downvotes, ahead of time.

Unknown

add me to list who has her maxed. i'm in transition with one level 166 and about 3 others over level 120. i actually use her quite frequently has a third filling out a squad. purple used at the right time has saved my butt more than a few times. red can be quite powerful too. i never use black

Unknown

Something I bet a lot of you don't realize about Moonstone: If she pops a tile with Gravity Warp you get 1 AP. I keep all my Gravity Warp TUs for this reason alone. 1 AP of any color you want is totally worth 8 TU (after you used your OBW TU, of course).

I always find it funny when people criticize characters without fully understanding them, like thinking Deadpool and Colossus aren't super best buddies when they are. Throwing Deadpool is a guaranteed death to anyone with <5000 health, and sometimes bonus whales. Whatever reason people assumed the Fastball Special damage came before the power use and thus throwing Deadpool and getting aLOtT was useless. That is far from true.

JCTthe3rd81 wrote:

Maybe they meant for low level players. I remember when I was early on in the game, with Zero maxed 2 characters, I used Moonstone quite a bit. For a fully maxed 3 roster, not so much when there are much better ways to deal with special tiles, i.e. Steve Rogers.

Except for the fact they tried to pair her with IM40 to feed her red to make her good? I guess you could technically use a level 40 IM40 standing behind Wolverine and Moonstone but still...

I might give you underrated. But I will not give you the MOST underrated. She is, if anything, only slightly underrated.

Unknown

She needs to be able to always target any tile with her , so it doubles up as removal and cascade setup (+cheap low damage spike). Then slightly cheaper so you can actually get enough before enemies launch and pop CD tiles and she could be decent. As of now though, she is second tier character (10th 2* from top at best).

Unknown

Next time I see lvl 270 XF on my que with 2x166, I will think of the devs advice to use Moonstone to steal his recovery tile. Strong hint!

Unknown

If you still don't have two maxed 3* and you are solidly in 2* phase, she is ok. Not that I use her often or anything but she can pair well with Ares if you are out of other choices and with 2* Cap in PvE. If Ares, OBW, Thor, Daken are tier 1 in 2*, I would put her at tier 2, CStorm and MNMags tier 1.5 and Bullseye tier 3.

Before you ask, yes I have maxed Moonstone and Bullseye. I like her red skill, Photon Blast only. Purple becomes useless if there are special tiles in more than one color, deals ok damage if there is none. Black is unusable. There have been many good suggestions on how to buff her in the forum some of which are in the link in my forum signature.

Unknown

It could also be that lower level players don't know how to use OBW properly, eg give her 5 covers in Pink. Also she has no visible 'big' damaging powers. Espionage is deceiving and might not even work if OBW is underlevelled. Further OBW goes down too quickly for the beginning player.

Moonstone has a larger health pool and can act as a tank to a noob player. And has 2 damaging powers.

My personal opinion for underrated 2* is MNMags. There are still not that many great Purple powers (despite adding Blade and Mystique), his Purple and Red are both better than Moonstone's, and he has a semi-usable Blue, compared to a useless Black.

Unknown

Damn, I just sold my Moonstone to create a roster spot for 4Thor or Mystique. Now I have to rebuild her so I can have a way to steal X-Force's Recovery tile.

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papa07 wrote:

Damn, I just sold my Moonstone to create a roster spot for 4Thor or Mystique. Now I have to rebuild her so I can have a way to steal X-Force's Recovery tile.

buy a herico pack and you will get it back! quick ! if you are too slow you cant stealx force heal