*** Spider-Man (Classic) ***

Twysta

PvE is going to be a joke I fear.

franckynight

Twysta wrote:

PvE is going to be a joke I fear.

Why? we can still prologue healing.. scaling is going to be way down.. and mb they stop their pitful attempts to limit our roster in any given event..

Twysta

franckynight wrote:

scaling is going to be way down..

Yeah, I suspect this too.
But it's all fine in theory... until it actually happens!

Unknown

Archer520 wrote:

Mrazy wrote:

Unrelated opinion: i see a lots of replies here keep calling widow a OP character, how? i mean we have Ares, Ares eats widow for breakfast anyday of the week, on the loki event i reached top 10 by just using ares/daken since there were so much widow combos.

Agree completely with this. Whenever I see someone complaining OBW is OP I have to refrain from pounding my head against the wall. She is a great utility/support character, but she is very, very squishy. I'll never skip a fight just because OBW is there, any halfway respectable damage-dealer character will shut her down hard before she causes too much trouble (barring a really bad board against you).

People are calling her OP because she's better than all ** alternatives by a huge margin. I'd rank her even above a lot of ***.

With your reasoning Spidey also wasn't OP because everybody could easily defeat him when attacking.

Unknown

Ghast wrote:

Mrazy wrote:

Its nice to know the game is heading in the right direction, no hero should be able to cast their skills for less than 5 AP, let alone being able to stun lock in 2 chains.

I have a non maxed out spider, like many i use mine for prologue healing only, am more of a Ares approach kinda guy. This balance just ensure the playing field gets better for everyone.

Unrelated opinion: i see a lots of replies here keep calling widow a OP character, how? i mean we have Ares, Ares eats widow for breakfast anyday of the week, on the loki event i reached top 10 by just using ares/daken since there were so much widow combos.

OBW + Strike Tile Generator = OP. She heals, steals, extends countdown tiles, passively pickpockets AND hits twice. If you do not think she is OP then you are not using her effectively.

How about not confusing 'useful' with 'overpowered''?

over_clocked

Fade to Slack wrote:

the three-star character that happens to be the MOST IMPORTANT CHARACTER IN THE MARVEL UNIVERSE

Where is Parker called the most important character in MU? Just curious, I'm not much of a comic book reader.

Unknown

locked wrote:

Where is Parker called the most important character in MU? Just curious, I'm not much of a comic book reader.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man

Unknown

Wow and some mod recently thought my "I wonder what changes we'll see today when we log in" thread was pointless and decided to give me a right old tongue lashing.

Well sir!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe you see why I posted it in the first place now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Changes yesterday, changes today, probably more changes tomorrow.

Oh no did I say something negative about the game! How dare I!

What a joke.

Unknown

Archer520 wrote:

Mrazy wrote:

Unrelated opinion: i see a lots of replies here keep calling widow a OP character, how? i mean we have Ares, Ares eats widow for breakfast anyday of the week, on the loki event i reached top 10 by just using ares/daken since there were so much widow combos.

Agree completely with this. Whenever I see someone complaining OBW is OP I have to refrain from pounding my head against the wall. She is a great utility/support character, but she is very, very squishy. I'll never skip a fight just because OBW is there, any halfway respectable damage-dealer character will shut her down hard before she causes too much trouble (barring a really bad board against you).

I'll guess it's because people with 3+ 141 heroes use a lvl 85 2* hero with 2 141s instead of 3x141. D3 will just say she's getting too much use for a 2* and nerf her.... real reason being she heals + mitigates damage through steals and they want to sell you health packs... which incidentally is the same reason they gave Spiderman the Ragnarok treatment and made him pretty useless.

Wouldn't be surprised if we get some dev posts about how much OBW is used before too long. Probably wait til a forum goer posts how she's in every PvP fight they have (since she'll be in even more with the spidey nerf) then a dev takes the opportunity to kindly "offer to look into it".

over_clocked

Oh, Moghwyn, you think he meant 'the most commercially important Marvel character'? Silly me, that's so obvious actually.
But not so in MPQ! Here, lazyThor rules, until he's nerfed anyway.

OzarkBoatswain

Quick and dirty buff suggestion: Blue level 5 puts down 2 web tiles. Stun still reigned in while his other abilities don't get hit so hard.

eviscent

So the changes ares the changes...
Did They gonna listen us and think about it ? I doubt about it.
Did they gonna be less more extrem ? Again not sure.

But if they really want to be "fair" they have to reset all ISO on the characters they change/nerf
cause they are plenty of players who have spend money and/or time in a lvl 141.
It's worth than having a Spidey Bagman lvl max (am i extrem ?)

So D3P, you reset extremly an character reset their ISO cause we spend for a valuable character and not for that sh..t you have made.

Unknown

Tl;dr if someone pointed this out, and I'm purely theorising without my own covered spidey.

But it seems he is moving from being useful on his own to being a specialist in certain teams. Obvious team is with patch+falcon:

Forget spideys blue. Create a couple purple protects right at start which falcon buffs while collecting for heal. Get 5 blue for falcon, fill purple tiles with protects and then berzerker rage. I assume patch's strikes won't override spideys tiles? Then falcon clears what enemy strikes remain while you finish your heal towards the end of the match. The optimal order might be different though. And well, go ahead and use the blue while keeping 5 for falcon at all times. Like for hulk and such.

The reason why he isn't usable by himself? You need all his colors to be effective and you DON'T want to spend most of the match collecting for support abilities. You'd rather spend those turns collecting for killer abilities to end the match faster. Used spidey in a match for his full extent? Now you'd still have to spend the turns to actually do the important thing, which is to kill the enemy team. All the while spideys powers are weakened due to destroyed tiles.

Unknown

Fade to Slack wrote:

These constant nerfs are the exact same reason I quit playing Avengers Alliance on Facebook. Instead of doing a major overhaul.

Hey, you guys are using the best characters in the game? That means no one is buying the new characters. Let's ruin them so people are forced to go after the new top-tier characters which we'll subsequently nerf.

This isn't leveling the playing field. It's salting the earth.

Quick change that really would make people reconsider Spider-Man? 1 AP increase on All Tied Up. Slightly reduced healing on Web Bandages. Make people work just a little bit harder.

What you're doing is intentionally hamstringing your game and screwing over the player base that use them for the third time since I've been playing.

If this goes through the way it's written? I'm done. Won't even give it another chance like I did after Thor and Wolverine. And I'm a whale with a page devoted to the game over on DeltaAttack.

I'm with you 100% here. I have put a lot of money into this game and some of that went into getting my SM above 100. I dont have him at 141 but I do use him as a spport for his pink protect tiles. But these changes are absurd. I wont put a single penny in this game again if this goes live. its too drastic. if this can happen to a a character its not worth putting money in this game ever again.

itstime1234

Don't worry I predict soon they will be releasing 4* Platinum Spidey with all his pre nerf powers.

Unknown

I think obw being op is again a bit misleading. Her value must be weighted against other characters. Ares has many interchangeables and replaceables who have similar or even greater value. Obw had Spidey, but now Spidey is nerfed. So where does that leave her?

For example, even if you believe Thor>Ares>obw, Thor+obw is still better than Thor+Ares.

We've already had multiple threads on obw where I was of the opinion that nerfs were not necessary, rather give us more alternatives. Since not only have they not given us alternatives but now removed one, it leaves them little choice but to also nerf obw.

Falcon arguably comes close, but no heal and expensive to get out those protect tiles. Hood has the AP steal but no defensive support. Spidey has the heal but now little else. Obw exemplifies the best aspects of each of these characters in one complete package. I would say that yes, Hood is better and Falcon too (mostly an effect of 141 vs 85), but they don't really replace her completely.

Unknown

ihearthawthats wrote:

I think obw being op is again a bit misleading. Her value must be weighted against other characters. Ares has many interchangeables and replaceables who have similar or even greater value. Obw had Spidey, but now Spidey is nerfed. So where does that leave her?

For example, even if you believe Thor>Ares>obw, Thor+obw is still better than Thor+Ares.

We've already had multiple threads on obw where I was of the opinion that nerfs were not necessary, rather give us more alternatives. Since not only have they not given us alternatives but now removed one, it leaves them little choice but to also nerf obw.

It's me I'm the jerk who wants OBW to be nerfed:

gamar wrote:

You know what, I'm reversing course on OBW being overpowered. Earlier I was steadfastly in the camp that she was so ubiquitous because she's really good and no other good 2* has her colors, not because she's so good she's unbalanced. And yes, I understand that when you have a team of 141 characters she dissolves like paper. But I've got characters at 120 now, and I STILL bring my OBW into any battle where there's an enemy OBW or Hood because it's just too risky not to have her to counter them. That's really unfun, I'm sick of USING her, don't get me started on how sick I am of SEEING her.

Unknown

I strongly disagree with these changes, far to extreme indeed.
Basiclly spidey gets nerfed at ALL his ability's ..

*Yellow is now max about 1/4 of the old one
*Blue gets wrecked at 5AP for what it does.. thats not a "perma stun" or very usefull like it was.
*Purple about 1/2 of the old one

D3 will get alot of complains and ticket/mails about this,
lose customers and in some cases even potentional money..

They should rethink this and "balance" him properlly for a 3* cover and support character rather then kill him and focus on lazy damage chrs..
mabye even compensate to customers .. they dont want ragnarok topic all over..

Ugh.

Unknown

We probably need to just stop talking about characters being OP. It doesnt appear that D3 can make a good decision about the characters people complain about. Who cares about Old Widow.

We should just start talking about which characters need large buffs.

D3, Where is the buff for GSBW, Loki Rag, IM 40, and every 2 star not named thor, widow or ares?

Unknown

I think the nature of the game is slowing down a little. Such as removing all skills that cost 2 ap to use (Rags, C.Mags, Spidey). its the new meta. I was going to power level spidey a while back since his Blue is incredibly useful but held off since the devs and admins did put out a heads up post months back on characters getting changes. (spidey was on the list so it's not like we weren't warned) as well as changes to the 2ap skills. Spidey is still a good support since not many can stun/heal/protect quite like he can. He just isn't as simple to use. Give it a bit...because with more changes coming out. perhaps spidey might come out on top if others get knocked down quite a bit more.