New Feature: Costumes! *Updated (11/26/18)

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  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2018
    shardwick said:
    They really need an achievement system in the game so you can unlock things like costumes and variant art covers by winning with a character so many times. Unlock 5* Thor's costume with 1,000 wins with him on your team or pay so much money to get his costume now.
    No they don't.
    They need to bring these to a sensible price point and dump those idiotic bundles.

    Obviously people WANT these so it makes sense to sell them, but not with those bundles.
  • Spudgutter
    Spudgutter Posts: 743 Critical Contributor
    AardvarkPepper said:

    JHawkInc said:
    "Costumes are rare and special - most Costumes will only be available for a limited period of time or only to players who reach particular achievements in the game."

    Today's achievement?

    "Have $75 to spend on a Thor costume." (because there's a new one in a bundle with 14k HP and 75 CP because the devs want to see if they can wring almost a hundred bucks out of you based on FOMO of a cosmetic item...)

    The art looks neat, and I'd sure rather use it than the gladiator look, but this kinda makes me feel like Bob Cratchit with how Scroogeish this looks. "No, Tiny Tim, you don't get the fun new thing for Christmas, the fun new cosmetic thing that should either be free, or at least available for a reasonable fee and without the nonsense timer, so it can be purchased reasonably by reasonable people, instead of greedily manipulating people with FOMO to extort ridiculous fees. No, Tiny Tim, you're poor, and the powers that be have decided you don't contribute to society in a meaningful way, and so you get nothing. Not even for Christmas."

    I'm not saying the devs should be haunted, but if they were it should only be by the Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come because that's the sad one. 
    Someone saying someone else should be working for free or for a "reasonable cost" calling that someone else a Scrooge.

    Ehmmm . . .

    I know $75 is steep.  But MPQ devs have the metrics on who spends, and the price point was probably created with that in mind.  Later maybe the price will drop, then it may be available to other players who won't be able to enjoy it while it's so new and novel, but that's as it goes.

    I get a $75 price point might be out of someone's range (it is for me anyways).  But to call MPQ devs Scrooge and belabor them for not putting stuff out for free, for shame.

    If there's really a big community feeling that there should be volunteer work, maybe the community can get some artists and programmers and lawyers together and offer their services for free to MPQ.  It's a big step, but I think it's more feasible than asking someone *else* to work for free.




    Give me a break. This isn't "all new" art.  They take the model, remove some layers, and add some new ones.  Sound familiar?  It should.  Look at every single Wolverine variation in the game, and you will spot the similarities.

    Had they included bonus cp for the alliance, i wouldn't have as big a problem with this.  Leaving it off, intentional or not, is just more bad form.  
  • StevO-J
    StevO-J Posts: 751 Critical Contributor
    Sure, the HP and CP are what makes this bundle expensive, but are people really buying these? I can only speak for myself, but this bundle is WAY too much to even consider. Would there be an option to get just this Costume for 1-2 euros I could see myself buying it, but not this way. Well, I guess this pop-up in game ticked off my 'LOL, wut?' moment of today...
  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,843 Chairperson of the Boards
    I bought this immediately -- I don't care about Thor, he's boring and I never use him anyway.  But $75 for 75cp is crazy, that's like 10x more cp than you get for $100.  More of these please!

    I guess it's a worse deal for the buyclub people, but I couldn't care less about them.  It'd be nice if this gave cp to my alliance, but the people complaining about that aren't upset because they want to give cp to their alliance, they're upset because they can't score extra cp by betraying their alliances to buy with random strangers instead.
  • Daredevil217
    Daredevil217 Posts: 3,966 Chairperson of the Boards
    I said earlier I’d consider spending for Flixdevil. When I said that, I was thinking at the other price points (a 20 dollar bundle max). No way in hell would I remotely consider at this price point. I’m a 2 dollar a month player who only ever bought one bundle (Taskmaster) outside that in all my years playing. $75 is over three years worth of spending for me. 

    I know I also get HP (I’m HP positive) and 3 latest pulls (probably 3 4*) but that’s nowhere near a 75 dollar value to me personally. 

    I’m not going to blast the developers. I’ll just kindly move on. Fact is there are people who already have the costume on Line and think it’s super cool. This is for them. I will say, it seems D3 never learned that lesson about shearing sheep. It seems they always want to go for the big score, but I think more money could be made via micro transactions. But seeing as how this is not my area of expertise; I have to trust their metrics. Whatever keeps the lights on I guess. And to be fair, they’ve kept this mobile ship afloat over 5 years and claimed a while back to have grossed an insane amount (I don’t remember the number; just people being upset we didn’t get more free stuff as a thank you). 
  • Shintok17
    Shintok17 Posts: 620 Critical Contributor
    edited December 2018
    If they offered these costumes by themselves at a lower price I believe a lot more people would spend money on them. Not everybody needs or wants to pay for all that CP or HP. Some people just want the new costume. Those resources are what is making the price so high. I just wish some of these costumes could be attainable by playing the game or achieving something in the game. Something like challenges. Is that not what were told when costumes were first released. It's obvious costumes can only be obtained by spending money or through RNG vaults.
  • broll
    broll Posts: 4,732 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2018
    I take back the good things I said about the consumes, they're gonna bungle this as bad or worse than supports.  Who's really going to buy this ever?  Let alone a few days before Christmas a time when it's common for people to have no side spending money. At least put it after Christmas where people might have gift money burning a hole in their pocket.  12/20 - 12/23.  They clearly don't want this to succeed.

    Instead of this horrid roll-out out, make them available all the time in a store.  Each one costs $0.99 to $5 based on quality (the first release being the $0.99, this Thor one being closer to the $5).  Wouldn't you guys make more money by encouraging every player to buy one to many small purchase rather than trying to get the already over-spending whales to drop stupid amounts of money. 

    Also if the forced rarity really going to help sell them?  I would think once they start getting out there and people see them on PvP opponents that would be free advertising, instead by the time that happens the offer will be gone and you as a company shot yourself in the foot by denying that person the purchase.

    Always striving for new lows I guess...
  • Smart80
    Smart80 Posts: 748 Critical Contributor
    Am i the only one that prefers his original look?

    Also, an offer like this is not even tempting me, so Im good with this. People who like it, buy it, others dont. With cheap costume only offer, many will just buy without even thinking, thats much more deceptive marketing to me...
  • broll
    broll Posts: 4,732 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2018
    Smart80 said:
    Am i the only one that prefers his original look?

    Also, an offer like this is not even tempting me, so Im good with this. People who like it, buy it, others dont. With cheap costume only offer, many will just buy without even thinking, thats much more deceptive marketing to me...
    I don't see it as deceptive.  People are paying the advertised price.  It's on them to track their spending. 

    I find forced/artificial scarcity far more deceptive.  That is literally attempting to artificially jack up the price of something by effecting the well established rules of supply and demand.
  • Warbringa
    Warbringa Posts: 1,299 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2018
    Apparently they are fine getting just the revenue from big spenders and if that is enough for them to reach their business metrics then good for them and I thank those big spenders for mainly funding the game.  They are losing $ though by not offering smaller purchase options ($5 or under) to the vast majority of their player base.  The only small purchase offered is the $1.99 HP/Iso  (and the $4.99 which you should never buy when you get basically the same value out of $1.99) purchase for monthly rewards but even that isn't positioned well by them because they want people to upgrade to VIP.  Btw that $1.99 monthly purchase is the best bang for you buck in this game if you are going to spend $ on it.  Once the big spending revenue ends, they will be forced to change their pricing models to keep the game afloat.
  • Nick441234
    Nick441234 Posts: 1,496 Chairperson of the Boards
    I swear to god, I've never had to look at an offer 5 times on this game just to confirm I was actually seeing what I was seeing. At first I thought, wow, thats expensive but at least they are throwing in a Thor cover too. Then I realise there wasn't even a Thor cover!! 75cp, that can be earned in 3 PVE events. A bunch of HP, which again can be earned in a few weeks of play. Then a costume that should be either free or at the most £2.99 at a push? 

    Yet they want £70.99. £70.99!!!!!!!!!! Thats the same price as I could pick up Red Dead Redemption 2 AND Forza Horizon 4 for. Its utterly insane beyond anything they have offered before. 
  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards
    Almost every business has different pricing tiers/products targeted at different segment of their customer bases. You can find it everywhere: mobile phones, gaming mouses, burgers and even potato chips.

    Using a simple three-tiered pricing model (personal opinion) for MPQ:

    1) low spenders: <$20
    2) mid spenders: <$50
    3) high spenders: >$50

    This Thor costume bundle falls under no. 3. If you belong to 1 or 2, it's quite obvious you are not the targeted segment for this particular product.

    The second thing is value. Value is subjective. It might look overpriced to you, but to others, it's value for money.

    The devs are doing what every other business are doing: coming up with different products to target different segments of their customer bases.
  • Twomp_thaDJ
    Twomp_thaDJ Posts: 237 Tile Toppler
    20K HP & 7 CP = $100 
    15K HP & 75 CP = $75 


    this bundle was made for those who buy Starks and to tempt those who buy Asgard.. it definitely wasn’t made for casuals and I doubt it was made for those who spend $20 once a year.. so I hate to be Debbie downer but this was created to for the whales in the game and whether you choose to believe it, there is a good amount of them. So for those of u looking at this to fail.. it most likely won’t.. *shrug*

    fyi I’m in the Asgard group.. and this is till a little to rich for my blood.. specially since if have kids and a wife that that kinda money could go to in the holiday season...

    I will echo to what some have mentioned previously tho, these bundles make no sense to be limited time. I think they would make more money long term if folks could buy them when they have the ability to
  • shardwick
    shardwick Posts: 2,121 Chairperson of the Boards
    Shintok17 said:
    If they offered these costumes by themselves at a lower price I believe a lot more people would spend money on them. Not everybody needs or wants to pay for all that CP or HP. Some people just want the new costume. Those resources are what is making the price so high. I just wish some of these costumes could be attainable by playing the game or achieving something in the game. Something like challenges. Is that not what were told when costumes were first released. It's obvious costumes can only be obtained by spending money or through RNG vaults.
    A challenge mode would work too. Like a week long challenge to unlock a 4* cover, a costume or variant covers. It'd give people something else to do in the game and would help keep things fresh. Plus it could be tied to clearance levels so new players could unlock things as well.
  • Phumade
    Phumade Posts: 2,496 Chairperson of the Boards
    It'll be pretty obivious how popular this offer becomes.  We'll all see the new thors in pvp etc...
  • IronLad
    IronLad Posts: 22 Just Dropped In
    That is weird & disappointing - hope that Superior Octopus is more obtainable.
  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards
    shardwick said:
    Shintok17 said:
    If they offered these costumes by themselves at a lower price I believe a lot more people would spend money on them. Not everybody needs or wants to pay for all that CP or HP. Some people just want the new costume. Those resources are what is making the price so high. I just wish some of these costumes could be attainable by playing the game or achieving something in the game. Something like challenges. Is that not what were told when costumes were first released. It's obvious costumes can only be obtained by spending money or through RNG vaults.
    A challenge mode would work too. Like a week long challenge to unlock a 4* cover, a costume or variant covers. It'd give people something else to do in the game and would help keep things fresh. Plus it could be tied to clearance levels so new players could unlock things as well.
    Again, they're not interested in keeping things fresh.
    They want you to spend money on costumes.
  • StevO-J
    StevO-J Posts: 751 Critical Contributor
    Reading other reactions here has been quite informative. But it seems to come close to this: if they want people to spend money on Costumes, that's fine... make them available for a small price. In today's form with the Costume in this bundle, I think the people are buying it just for the offer of resources which is pretty good depending on your spending pattern I guess. But the Costume that comes with it does not factor in to that decision it seems. I'm not sure this is the intended model...

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