Heart Of Darkness: Test run 1 anti tapping feedback

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  • Lopan15
    Lopan15 Posts: 225 Tile Toppler
    Not sure if it's because of no tapping or people dropping down because of that royal fam node, but after killing off my usable roster and healthpacks trying for a 5th clear of that one node, I'm throwing in the towel and will be out of top 20 (which I had a small chance at which is better than normal).  It's pretty sad when one node on the last day makes you never want to run scl 9 for this event ever again.  It didn't matter who I brought in or who I targeted.  I couldn't get anyone below half health before I got wiped every time.  Thoroughly not enjoyable.  Before tapping I was consistently top 10.  Once tapping started I was consistently just outside of top 20 playing the same way.  I gave up optimal grinding and found I was still easily top 50 (usually ~25th - 30th place).  Much less stress for the same rewards.  With this event I was hanging close to top 20 with not optimal clearing.  It would be interesting to know how many tappers dropped down as well as how many dropped down because of the ridiculous node.
  • ZeroKarma
    ZeroKarma Posts: 513 Critical Contributor
    I finished 2nd in the event. By one point. 

    Started my final clear a eat a bit too early and had too much time left. But that’s as it should be right? 

    While im disappointed by the final result, the format was awesome and it came down to seconds on the last sub. PVE has never been so challenging and it was a lot of fun.
  • The rockett
    The rockett Posts: 2,016 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited March 2018

    WOW WOW WOW!!!!  This is so much fun and a great race again.  Here is my recap from this event.

    Sub 1: ended in 1st overall

    Sub 2: ended top 10 overall

    Sub 3: ended 1st overall

    Event:  Ended 1st place over all


    My Bracket:

    1. Me:98642
    2. 98641
    3. 98627
    4. 98605
    5.  98523


    @zerokarma  bracket

    1. 98676
    2. 98675
    3. 98611
    4. 98455
    5. 98305


    1.9.3

    1. 97771
    2. 97770
    3. 97715
    4. 97499
    5. 97215


    There were no ties in the top 10 in any of these brackets. I really hope they keep this going forward. 


  • Gabisia
    Gabisia Posts: 6 Just Dropped In
    The rockett said:

    WOW WOW WOW!!!!  This is so much fun and a great race again.  Here is my recap from this event.

    Sub 1: ended in 1st overall

    Sub 2: ended top 10 overall

    Sub 3: ended 1st overall

    Event:  Ended 1st place over all


    My Bracket:

    1. Me:98642
    2. 98641
    3. 98627
    4. 98605
    5.  98523


    @zerokarma  bracket

    1. 98676
    2. 98675
    3. 98611
    4. 98455
    5. 98305


    1.9.3

    1. 97771
    2. 97770
    3. 97715
    4. 97499
    5. 97215


    There were no ties in the top 10 in any of these brackets. I really hope they keep this going forward. 


    Congrats great competition 
  • The rockett
    The rockett Posts: 2,016 Chairperson of the Boards
    Gabisia said:
    The rockett said:

    WOW WOW WOW!!!!  This is so much fun and a great race again.  Here is my recap from this event.

    Sub 1: ended in 1st overall

    Sub 2: ended top 10 overall

    Sub 3: ended 1st overall

    Event:  Ended 1st place over all


    My Bracket:

    1. Me:98642
    2. 98641
    3. 98627
    4. 98605
    5.  98523


    @zerokarma  bracket

    1. 98676
    2. 98675
    3. 98611
    4. 98455
    5. 98305


    1.9.3

    1. 97771
    2. 97770
    3. 97715
    4. 97499
    5. 97215


    There were no ties in the top 10 in any of these brackets. I really hope they keep this going forward. 


    Congrats great competition 

    Heck yea it was!!!!
  • Hadronic
    Hadronic Posts: 338 Mover and Shaker
    Gabisia said:
    The rockett said:

    WOW WOW WOW!!!!  This is so much fun and a great race again.  Here is my recap from this event.

    Sub 1: ended in 1st overall

    Sub 2: ended top 10 overall

    Sub 3: ended 1st overall

    Event:  Ended 1st place over all


    My Bracket:

    1. Me:98642
    2. 98641
    3. 98627
    4. 98605
    5.  98523


    @zerokarma  bracket

    1. 98676
    2. 98675
    3. 98611
    4. 98455
    5. 98305


    1.9.3

    1. 97771
    2. 97770
    3. 97715
    4. 97499
    5. 97215


    There were no ties in the top 10 in any of these brackets. I really hope they keep this going forward. 


    Congrats great competition 
    all 3 brackets, 1st place is exactly 1 point ahead of second. Smells suspicious.
  • Daredevil217
    Daredevil217 Posts: 3,967 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited March 2018
    Daredevil217 said:
    LXSandman said:
    While I think this change is great from a theoretical point of view.  I also think that it will effect a very few number of people.

    The only people who notice this change will be the upper crust of rosters.  Those people who can do a final clear in 31 minutes etc.

    Essentially all that is happening is that they are changing what you need to win from Extreme Time to Extreme Roster (And favourable timing).  Which, as I said, I agree with.  Unfortunately most of us don't have either of those things... hahaha

    I've noticed a difference.  Caught my usual fresh slacker bracket (came in like 64ish).  I have all boosted 4s champed.  Did my grinds as fast as I could and am currently only 20 with many people behind me also having done full clears.

    Normally, I catch a slacker bracket and I'll finish my grind T5, and the next day MAYBE 10 people will have done full clears.  I'm wondering if the tappers have moved down to 8 where I compete (no champed 5s so I feel its an appropriate SCL for me) due to the easier clears/top rewards where they can smash rosters like mine.  I'm going to wait the event out and see how things shake out before drawing any conclusions, but it is odd especially given what the prize is. 
    Update to this.

    Sub 1 I mistimed (too late) and left I believe one clear of the loaner and last wave node which hurt but I was still 9th. 

    Sub 2 I played it safer. Ended about 7 minutes early and am unsure where in the T10 I finished as I was doing seeds. 

    Sub 3 I finished 11th fastest with my initial clears, which as the days go on that happens. A stronger roster than mine may jump in later and out-clear me but I have such a lead from playing earlier it doesn’t matter. 

    Overall I am sitting on 6th. I’m 120 away from 5th and 150 away from 4th. So unless they miss clear I won’t get T5, but it’s possible with Royal Fam and more tile movers in general. I’m jumping super early (like an hour and a half) and letting the chips fall where they may. But I’m about 2500 away from 11th. Meaning that T10 is sewn up. Overall this is exactly where I would likely be in a tapping bracket. I’m pretty much always top 5 or 10. So not a huge change for me in CL8. 
  • The rockett
    The rockett Posts: 2,016 Chairperson of the Boards
    Hadronic said:
    Gabisia said:
    The rockett said:

    WOW WOW WOW!!!!  This is so much fun and a great race again.  Here is my recap from this event.

    Sub 1: ended in 1st overall

    Sub 2: ended top 10 overall

    Sub 3: ended 1st overall

    Event:  Ended 1st place over all


    My Bracket:

    1. Me:98642
    2. 98641
    3. 98627
    4. 98605
    5.  98523


    @zerokarma  bracket

    1. 98676
    2. 98675
    3. 98611
    4. 98455
    5. 98305


    1.9.3

    1. 97771
    2. 97770
    3. 97715
    4. 97499
    5. 97215


    There were no ties in the top 10 in any of these brackets. I really hope they keep this going forward. 


    Congrats great competition 
    all 3 brackets, 1st place is exactly 1 point ahead of second. Smells suspicious.
    Um....no.  I would Name the people in these brackets but it is against the forums rules.  
    I know all of them and we all play at the top end of pve and have gone against each other for a long time.  
  • Gabisia
    Gabisia Posts: 6 Just Dropped In
    The rockett said:
    Hadronic said:
    Gabisia said:
    The rockett said:

    WOW WOW WOW!!!!  This is so much fun and a great race again.  Here is my recap from this event.

    Sub 1: ended in 1st overall

    Sub 2: ended top 10 overall

    Sub 3: ended 1st overall

    Event:  Ended 1st place over all


    My Bracket:

    1. Me:98642
    2. 98641
    3. 98627
    4. 98605
    5.  98523


    @zerokarma  bracket

    1. 98676
    2. 98675
    3. 98611
    4. 98455
    5. 98305


    1.9.3

    1. 97771
    2. 97770
    3. 97715
    4. 97499
    5. 97215


    There were no ties in the top 10 in any of these brackets. I really hope they keep this going forward. 


    Congrats great competition 
    all 3 brackets, 1st place is exactly 1 point ahead of second. Smells suspicious.
    Um....no.  I would Name the people in these brackets but it is against the forums rules.  
    I know all of them and we all play at the top end of pve and have gone against each other for a long time.  
    Also agree.. No supsicious Just great competition... 
  • ZeroKarma
    ZeroKarma Posts: 513 Critical Contributor
    Hadronic said:
    Gabisia said:
    The rockett said:

    WOW WOW WOW!!!!  This is so much fun and a great race again.  Here is my recap from this event.

    Sub 1: ended in 1st overall

    Sub 2: ended top 10 overall

    Sub 3: ended 1st overall

    Event:  Ended 1st place over all


    My Bracket:

    1. Me:98642
    2. 98641
    3. 98627
    4. 98605
    5.  98523


    @zerokarma  bracket

    1. 98676
    2. 98675
    3. 98611
    4. 98455
    5. 98305


    1.9.3

    1. 97771
    2. 97770
    3. 97715
    4. 97499
    5. 97215


    There were no ties in the top 10 in any of these brackets. I really hope they keep this going forward. 


    Congrats great competition 
    all 3 brackets, 1st place is exactly 1 point ahead of second. Smells suspicious.
    While the other brackets were friendly, mine was certainly not. I respect the person who won, but I’d never give him an LT for free. 

    Can I assume this was snark, or do you not realize how tough it would be to make such a situation happen on purpose?
  • LifeofAgony
    LifeofAgony Posts: 690 Critical Contributor
    If early reports are showing top cl brackets have no ties, then what is the other concern for why this shouldn’t be made permanent?  
  • Quebbster
    Quebbster Posts: 8,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    LifeofAgony said:
    If early reports are showing top cl brackets have no ties, then what is the other concern for why this shouldn’t be made permanent?  
    Lower scoring players may not find it as enjoyable. I don't know really, I don't care either way since I have had a similar performance here as I have had in other events. But for every player who gets top X now who couldn't Before there is someone who used to get top X but can't under the new system.
  • Smart80
    Smart80 Posts: 748 Critical Contributor
    Quebbster said:
    LifeofAgony said:
    If early reports are showing top cl brackets have no ties, then what is the other concern for why this shouldn’t be made permanent?  
    Lower scoring players may not find it as enjoyable. I don't know really, I don't care either way since I have had a similar performance here as I have had in other events. But for every player who gets top X now who couldn't Before there is someone who used to get top X but can't under the new system.
    Most lower scoring players dont hit node more than 7 times and are most likely uneffected, i’ld think..

    second part could be concern, but as the new system is kinder to whales compared to free exploitating tappers in the old, I dont think devs will care too much for that issue either..
  • grunth13
    grunth13 Posts: 608 Critical Contributor
    Well, I was in 4th place after the initial 4 clears of sub 2, but then got caught up taking care of a patient in the OR and missed my end grind for sub 2.  Dropped from 4th to 104th.  All my work in sub 1 and initial sub 2 down the drain because of something I couldn't plan.  I'm liking Stax's stopwatch idea more and more.
  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 5,824 Chairperson of the Boards
    LifeofAgony said:
    If early reports are showing top cl brackets have no ties, then what is the other concern for why this shouldn’t be made permanent?  
    That is a fantastic question - one that would be very nice to hear from the devs on.  

    But historically, we rarely get much information about what they are focused on / concerned with when these kinds of tests are run.  
  • ZeroKarma
    ZeroKarma Posts: 513 Critical Contributor
    grunth13 said:
    Well, I was in 4th place after the initial 4 clears of sub 2, but then got caught up taking care of a patient in the OR and missed my end grind for sub 2.  Dropped from 4th to 104th.  All my work in sub 1 and initial sub 2 down the drain because of something I couldn't plan.  I'm liking Stax's stopwatch idea more and more.
    On a positive note, kudos to prioritizing correctly!
  • Talestummy
    Talestummy Posts: 66 Match Maker
    Hadronic said:
    Gabisia said:
    The rockett said:

    WOW WOW WOW!!!!  This is so much fun and a great race again.  Here is my recap from this event.

    Sub 1: ended in 1st overall

    Sub 2: ended top 10 overall

    Sub 3: ended 1st overall

    Event:  Ended 1st place over all


    My Bracket:

    1. Me:98642
    2. 98641
    3. 98627
    4. 98605
    5.  98523


    @zerokarma  bracket

    1. 98676
    2. 98675
    3. 98611
    4. 98455
    5. 98305


    1.9.3

    1. 97771
    2. 97770
    3. 97715
    4. 97499
    5. 97215


    There were no ties in the top 10 in any of these brackets. I really hope they keep this going forward. 


    Congrats great competition 
    all 3 brackets, 1st place is exactly 1 point ahead of second. Smells suspicious.
    I'm the one that finished 2nd in 1.9.3 and I also started too early so I lost in the very last minute by 1 point. You think I want to just give away 1 LT to another player.
  • Sm0keyJ0e
    Sm0keyJ0e Posts: 730 Critical Contributor
    Missed a wave in sub 2 but still finished t5 in cl9. My own fault for leaving points on the board. Loved this test and hope it sticks.
  • Kmjakob
    Kmjakob Posts: 105 Tile Toppler
    I did hit max reward the 3 day and i was the same rank as before between 150 to 200 
  • CHRISJN
    CHRISJN Posts: 116 Tile Toppler
    I did went to cl8 and maybe got lucky on the bracket. First 2 subs i finished like 40-50mins.
    And the last one is like 1 hour. Done at #1. So maybe without endless tapping, but fast clear did the trick.

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