Changes to PVP bracket creation? Devs please comment

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i would have been happy to win that bracket at 1340, and i'm pretty sure goku was going to let me too, but you and dsylexic kept pushing... huge waste of hp and the relative scores didn't really change much. normally if i see someone at 1200 with 20+ hours left, i just let them have it, but if someone's going to push after i've already spent that much hp... sorry, but honestly you're just kind of wasting everyone's time. I'm not there to get into a @#$@ match w/ dv/x-men/shield, i just want to finish getting my covers as cheaply as possible and go home.

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bloodwars wrote:

i would have been happy to win that bracket at 1340, and i'm pretty sure goku was going to let me too, but you and dsylexic kept pushing... huge waste of hp and the relative scores didn't really change much. normally if i see someone at 1200 with 20+ hours left, i just let them have it, but if someone's going to push after i've already spent that much hp... sorry, but honestly you're just kind of wasting everyone's time. I'm not there to get into a @#$@ match w/ dv/x-men/shield, i just want to finish getting my covers as cheaply as possible and go home.

As I don't need any of the covers I wasn't even pushing for rank. I was just pushing for season totals. That's a side effect of seasons that got you there. I probably wouldn't have competed in 1/2 these tourneys because they keep wanting to offer the old stuff over n over.

Clintman

The ugly aspect of this is that it forces Alliances to push 1st for covers they don't need just to keep the alliance rank high. It makes it so we cannot let someone have that IW cover without sacrificing our alliance. I would have skipped these last 3 events, or pushed just high enough to get top 5 because I don't need the rewards.

I feel that it makes the PVP more of a grind and much less friendly than it was before. I miss the old way of it where the only time you see someone kill themselves for first was when they needed that 4* cover. The elite tourneys were fun because they were an every once in a while thing.

I already dread how upset the community will be when they are totally unable to get the Fury covers because he top alliances will crush every event and shut them out. It just feels like the atmosphere is going to get uglier.

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Ugh, so some Krakadoom comparison points from my alliance:

Me, several maxed 2*, currently #31 with 721 points. #1 at 1495 (but it's a SHIELD member, #2 at 1022 is more representative of the bracket)
S., one maxed 2*, currently #113 with 575 points. #1 at 1232
K., several maxed 1*, 1 2* at lv 77, currently #7 with 583 points. #1 at 800

We did join at different times, but I've observed similar patterns before Maybe we can arrange joining at the same time, but I think experiments from people with two accounts joining at the same time have pretty much proven that we're being split into different difficulty groups and placed into brackets according to that.

Question is, what's the criteria? Me and S. might have a better developed roster than someone in the 1*->2* transition, but that doesn't mean we can place well enough in PvPs where the cut-off point to getting 2 covers for a decent transition is somewhere around 800 points, because we can barely get that far and stay there long enough put up a shield (assuming we're willing to shield of course. Since we're both f2p and still funnel all HP into roster slots that's not likely). Additionally, we're both in Europe, so what looked like a good rank by the time we go to bed will likely net us yet another 2* with shield or without.
K. on the other hand is clearly in a bracket in which she can compete, win the 2* she needs and every once in a while even go for that 3* cover she really wants, like in this case Loki (Thor is lonely without his bro ) If she's to maintain her top 10 placement this time, will she be catapulted into S.'s and my bracket difficulty, where she'd die a quick and ignominious death? Or is she safe while she hasn't maxed any 2* yet?

How about stating the rules clear and simple, so people know what to expect instead of these sneak changes.

daveomite

Clintman wrote:

The ugly aspect of this is that it forces Alliances to push 1st for covers they don't need just to keep the alliance rank high. It makes it so we cannot let someone have that IW cover without sacrificing our alliance. I would have skipped these last 3 events, or pushed just high enough to get top 5 because I don't need the rewards.

I feel that it makes the PVP more of a grind and much less friendly than it was before. I miss the old way of it where the only time you see someone kill themselves for first was when they needed that 4* cover. The elite tourneys were fun because they were an every once in a while thing.

I already dread how upset the community will be when they are totally unable to get the Fury covers because he top alliances will crush every event and shut them out. It just feels like the atmosphere is going to get uglier.

I agree completely. I know that I don't blame anyone right now trying to get points, there are too many factors at play. The alliance needs to place well, regardless if you need the rewards or not. That not your fault, or your alliances fault, it's a fault of the system.

I actually posted a pretty long thought on it a couple of pages back, part of which, I believe, could rectify many of the issues. However, I don't have any hopes that D3 would consider them, or even if most players would even agree. Right now though, there's such a discord because so many players are trapped in the middle of it all, unable to progress and get covers they need, bastardized for grinding nodes in pre so they can actually try to win something needed, and just general traffic jams in the top 20-30 in a large portion of brackets, all because D3 seems to think it is the best way, possibly even the only way, they can proceed.

I just don't believe that it's working as they want it to, rather, expected it to. Changes they have made have created a nightmare in various situations (Oscorp, PvP brackets, scaling), and fewer and fewer seem well received. It is becoming more and more of a PR issue the further it goes, as more and more people are talking about the issues openly in this public forum, and current and potential players have the opportunity to read this information for themselves.

My post isn't meant as a knock to D3, but hopefully, things will be done to fix the issues facing so many of us. But considering I don't think a single D3 rep has posted in this thread speaks volumes, just as continuous people talking about issues in the Oscorp thread, with no official responses for days. Yes, they did reply to that one several times, but not much since things really went south.

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daveomite wrote:

My post isn't meant as a knock to D3, but hopefully, things will be done to fix the issues facing so many of us. But considering I don't think a single D3 rep has posted in this thread speaks volumes, just as continuous people talking about issues in the Oscorp thread, with no official responses for days. Yes, they did reply to that one several times, but not much since things really went south.

Well they take weekends off so Monday is the earliest we will hear anything. Honestly though, no matter what sort of explanation or reasoning we hear from the devs won't matter. This is a horrible change for multiple reasons and unless they comment on here saying they are going to revert it back, I don't think any one will be satisfied.

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Clintman wrote:

The ugly aspect of this is that it forces Alliances to push 1st for covers they don't need just to keep the alliance rank high. It makes it so we cannot let someone have that IW cover without sacrificing our alliance. I would have skipped these last 3 events, or pushed just high enough to get top 5 because I don't need the rewards.

I feel that it makes the PVP more of a grind and much less friendly than it was before. I miss the old way of it where the only time you see someone kill themselves for first was when they needed that 4* cover. The elite tourneys were fun because they were an every once in a while thing.

I already dread how upset the community will be when they are totally unable to get the Fury covers because he top alliances will crush every event and shut them out. It just feels like the atmosphere is going to get uglier.

The entire trend is negative. I don't know how we are going to survive a season 2. There is literally no downtime. Morphy quit the game yesterday, he just had enough. I personally want to take a break soon after season 1 ends. Making the brackets higher competitive is just one of the problems. I can't imagine what a new player thinks when he see's all this stuff. I never thought i would said this but perhaps this game is getting a little too hardcore.

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I'm thinking a break after the first season would be good for me. Hopefully D3 thinks so as well and doesn't roll out season 2 the day season 1 ends. Week or two break, and 'skippable' PVPs would be really nice.

daveomite

sms4002 wrote:

daveomite wrote:

My post isn't meant as a knock to D3, but hopefully, things will be done to fix the issues facing so many of us. But considering I don't think a single D3 rep has posted in this thread speaks volumes, just as continuous people talking about issues in the Oscorp thread, with no official responses for days. Yes, they did reply to that one several times, but not much since things really went south.

Well they take weekends off so Monday is the earliest we will hear anything. Honestly though, no matter what sort of explanation or reasoning we hear from the devs won't matter. This is a horrible change for multiple reasons and unless they comment on here saying they are going to revert it back, I don't think any one will be satisfied.

I can appreciate that businesses may close on weekends, but, as an owner of a business, the customer always comes first. So, if there is an issue that comes up on a Saturday, then either I, or one of my team has to deal with it as just leaving it hanging there leads to nothing but dissatisfaction, leading to losing players, just like klingsor mentioned happened to his team.

There is obviously something not right, and it's affecting Season 1, which is almost over. They literally have no time to waste, yet, time is wasting away anyway.

There are obvious issues in Oscorp, but what has been done? I appreciate that they worked on it, and apparently tried to fix it. But, their solution wound up making the issue worse for most of us, and now it is 1. Not likely that we can catch up, and 2. Likely they are going to have to feed new points into the sub and or change it back to 200M as progress is slow, and again, there's only so much time left in it.

It should mean something to D3 when some of the top alliances and players talk about the issues. And I mean, more than what it apparently does. I choose to believe that Ice will get to responding to us here, but will it be too late? Just like 5DV lost Morphy, who will SHIELD lose? Or the SCAvengers, or Django, or Xmen, or even yours or mine? That is simply not a good situation for anyone, new or long time players.

too much has been invested by alliances. Top alliances, even more. Just the amount of time alone us dedicated players put in SHOULD account for something. Yet, they keep changing things, removing aspects that people loved, wanting more and more money for shields so that an entire top 30 can all be shielded at the same time.

When revenue becomes more important than the product, or the people using that product, that is simply never a good sign.

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klingsor wrote:

I never thought i would said this but perhaps this game is getting a little too hardcore.

O.o

Now that's saying something. It is pretty bonkers that every change to the game is geared to making you never take a break.

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It's sad that we have to play the meta-game because the real game is barely enjoyable anymore. A Puzzle Quest with consistent updates sounded like such a good idea six months ago.

Spoit

sms4002 wrote:

daveomite wrote:

My post isn't meant as a knock to D3, but hopefully, things will be done to fix the issues facing so many of us. But considering I don't think a single D3 rep has posted in this thread speaks volumes, just as continuous people talking about issues in the Oscorp thread, with no official responses for days. Yes, they did reply to that one several times, but not much since things really went south.

Well they take weekends off so Monday is the earliest we will hear anything. Honestly though, no matter what sort of explanation or reasoning we hear from the devs won't matter. This is a horrible change for multiple reasons and unless they comment on here saying they are going to revert it back, I don't think any one will be satisfied.

Actually hearing from the devs was stealth nerfed.

daveomite

Spoit wrote:

sms4002 wrote:

daveomite wrote:

My post isn't meant as a knock to D3, but hopefully, things will be done to fix the issues facing so many of us. But considering I don't think a single D3 rep has posted in this thread speaks volumes, just as continuous people talking about issues in the Oscorp thread, with no official responses for days. Yes, they did reply to that one several times, but not much since things really went south.

Well they take weekends off so Monday is the earliest we will hear anything. Honestly though, no matter what sort of explanation or reasoning we hear from the devs won't matter. This is a horrible change for multiple reasons and unless they comment on here saying they are going to revert it back, I don't think any one will be satisfied.

Actually hearing from the devs was stealth nerfed.

I think I just spit out some coffee... Lol.

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UPDATE (Rag PVP)

#1 for my main account is at 1308
#1 for low-level alt is shielded at 753.

daveomite

Ghast wrote:

UPDATE (Rag PVP)

#1 for my main account is at 1308
#1 for low-level alt is shielded at 753.

Interesting. I'm in 9th place with 970 points. Top 4 are over 1,300, including beezer in 1st, and 5-8 all over 1k. I'm 40 points behind 8th and no nodes over 22 right now.

And I was higher originally, but had come out of a match to -47 from someone with less than 200 points. How they were able to see me, I have no idea. Happened to other people too apparently.

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daveomite wrote:

Interesting. I'm in 9th place with 970 points. Top 4 are over 1,300, including beezer in 1st, and 5-8 all over 1k. I'm 40 points behind 8th and no nodes over 22 right now.

And I was higher originally, but had come out of a match to -47 from someone with less than 200 points. How they were able to see me, I have no idea. Happened to other people too apparently.

I can't believe no one's really fighting for that #5. Usually there's a big brawl all the down to #10 in brackets like this.

daveomite

SynGen wrote:

daveomite wrote:

Interesting. I'm in 9th place with 970 points. Top 4 are over 1,300, including beezer in 1st, and 5-8 all over 1k. I'm 40 points behind 8th and no nodes over 22 right now.

And I was higher originally, but had come out of a match to -47 from someone with less than 200 points. How they were able to see me, I have no idea. Happened to other people too apparently.

I can't believe no one's really fighting for that #5. Usually there's a big brawl all the down to #10 in brackets like this.

yeah...I agree. Got screwed twice though. Had 908 points, unshielded, matched, won 27, reshielded, my score was only 915. I wasn't attacked. Sent in a ticket, got a response in less than 5 minutes from D3, said "server latency" of an attack that never happened.

then happened a second time later. Really quite aggrivating.

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Assuming devs are reading this just want to add my complaint.

I've got every two-star cover and a couple of three-star guys in the low 100's but am basically still playing at the two star level. For the past three events, in my brackets, scores around 800 haven't gotten me into the top 50, so all I can get is worthless 2 star covers I already have.

Plus it's a huge struggle to even get to 800/900 now as I get attacked faster than I can score once points get to that level. As far as I can tell I won't be reliably top ten again until I have strong enough 3-stars to act as a deterrant, and yet my progress in reaching this has been really slowed down.

I do think the previous system, which was marred by tanking, was pretty ridiculous but at least it meant anyone who wanted top ten had some way of getting it (would like to add that I never needed to tank to make top ten). But now it seems I'm just stuck winning two stars and hoping I get enough three stars from alliance rewards to somehow progress.

In conclusion: boooooooooooooo

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daveomite wrote:

yeah...I agree. Got screwed twice though. Had 908 points, unshielded, matched, won 27, reshielded, my score was only 915. I wasn't attacked. Sent in a ticket, got a response in less than 5 minutes from D3, said "server latency" of an attack that never happened.

then happened a second time later. Really quite aggrivating.

Ok, so I am not crazy. I seen that several times. at 585, I played a match worth 20 to get me to 600, but when I won, I came out at 599. It happened to me several times. Yet it never showed that I was attacked and never gave me an option for retal.

Flare808

They must have changed something. I ended up in a bracket with davecazz blowing everyone out with 1523 (second was 1121) and the top 10 bottoming out at 971. The odd thing is that even though I joined nearly 2 days ago, the bracket placed me at 7 out of 179. There's no way that a bracket shouldn't have been completely full unless they were manipulating how players are placed. While I'm perfectly content with top 10 as a whole, it is discouraging that someone placed in a weaker bracket can scoop up IW, Xforce, and Fury covers while I'll be watching SHIELD, 5DV, X-Men, etc members take first in my bracket.