sh81 said: That outside communication happens isnt a problem. Go for it, it really doesnt bother me.That it is basically required to get a foothold in the game? THAT is the issue.Ive been involved in the forums for a couple of months. Essentially signed up to see the announcements then got drawn into some debates.Its very take it or leave it, its not required, and its something I do only as I can be bothered.
DarthDeVo said: Already posted this in the Worst Moment of the Day thread, but felt it was appropriate here too:I. HATE. PVP. Black Vortex, got to 899. Want to guess how many points I lost trying to win one more match? 140. ONE HUNDRED FORTY FREAKING POINTS!!! Old PvP can die in a frigging dumpster fire. I finally gave up after blowing well over 1000 HP on healthpacks and shields and actually being worse off than when I started. This. THIS is why people HATE PvP with a burning passion. Only consolation is the end of vaulting, so maybe I'll have a chance to actually pull X-23's red cover. Probably not, though.
sh81 said: Daiches said: @sh81 Judging by the sheer number of requests I see every day on Reddit alone on how to maximize points in PVE, it baffles me that you don't understand that you have to learn how to play PVE just as much as you need to learn how to play PVP. And that includes progression in both (since the most asked question is how little can I do and still get everything in progression). Perhaps its just me, Ive been as clear as I can and yet it still seems nobody reads the actual point Ive made.I never said making full progression was easy. But making progress is. And its as simple as playing as much as you can and going from there.Progression is about time and effort. The more time and effort you put in, the more progress you end up making.Eventually you are in a place to hit full progression, rather than immediately, but all along you are making progress.Each tournament you might hit that next reward. Each time you get a little bit stronger you can take on that extra node and get a few more points - and it all counts.Progression in PVP? Its basically impossible to a new player. You need to do all that learning up front to get anywhere, you cant work it out as you go. Quite literally, you make a little progress, and the next time you come back its been taken away!
Daiches said: @sh81 Judging by the sheer number of requests I see every day on Reddit alone on how to maximize points in PVE, it baffles me that you don't understand that you have to learn how to play PVE just as much as you need to learn how to play PVP. And that includes progression in both (since the most asked question is how little can I do and still get everything in progression).
You're totally right, we're all geniuses who were born with the knowledge about how to play PVP in MPQ.I mean, who could figure out that hitting targets below you would give them juicy retaliations just by playing?It's practically rocket science!If only there were threads in the forum explaining how to play PVP... if only there was a tips and guides section in the forums... alas.
Bowgentle said: DarthDeVo said: Already posted this in the Worst Moment of the Day thread, but felt it was appropriate here too:I. HATE. PVP. Black Vortex, got to 899. Want to guess how many points I lost trying to win one more match? 140. ONE HUNDRED FORTY FREAKING POINTS!!! Old PvP can die in a frigging dumpster fire. I finally gave up after blowing well over 1000 HP on healthpacks and shields and actually being worse off than when I started. This. THIS is why people HATE PvP with a burning passion. Only consolation is the end of vaulting, so maybe I'll have a chance to actually pull X-23's red cover. Probably not, though. Or you could, like, champ that Panther and never worry about 900 again.
BoyWonder1914 said: Beer40 said: BoyWonder1914 said: Beer40 said: BoyWonder1914 said: sh81 said: Daiches said: Beer40 said: lokiagentofhotness said: Even PVE is for experienced players - there are many people who don't know how to play optimally and if you do it alone you either gotta figure it out somehow or use line or some other form of outside communication to learn the tricks. I'm not sure why everyone only complains about outside communication for PVP. Its so much more obvious. Example: "I got to 1200 in 15 matches" when those of us that don't use outside communication almost never see high point totals like that. That's a huge competitive advantage, and its used by grilling/cupcaking/working outside the confines of MPQ. Its easily apparent to everyone."Optimal play" in PVE is pretty self-evident if you care to look. As far as bracket sniping and those things,tbh, I've heard them mentioned a bunch and still don't fully understand them or how they really help unless you just want placement.Not trying to argue or anything, just answering your question. Oh man, you really should take notice of who you are talking too when trying to insult someone for being cupcake eaters. This kind of illustrates my point, I have literally no idea what that means! Which illustrates HIS point. If you've ever beat an incredibly easy team for 40+ while you were above 500ish points yourself, then you've eaten a cupcake/grill. Most people that have EVER played PVP have at some point, and they have someone in a LINE group to thank for that. People don't run these incredibly easy teams for themselves, they do it to help bring someone else up. They announce that they are unshielding with said team, and then let people q the easy team while they get ready to shield. Obviously anyone with an appropriate point level and MMR will be able to q up the grill team as well, not just the people in the LINE group. Grills/Cupcakes help the entire slice as a whole, not just said LINE group. So everyone who complains that this outside communication isn't "fair" has eaten off of our plates as some point before too. I'm going to address these out of order. To the second part I put in bold: Thanks, since that has probably happened to me at some point in nearly 600 days.But that takes us to the first part I put in bold: I may have hit these on occasion but I don't see teams that are easy very often, and sometimes never in an event. To be able to externally communicate and know exactly who these teams are and when they drop...that's a whole 'nother level of advantage.And people are attacking us that question such an external advantage in game.Once again, I will state that I have no issue with people wanting to be part of a community. But I firmly stand by my statement questioning if its good for PVP or not.Hopefully, after the test they will adopt the idea many have had and have a dual based points/wins system so that the community can do what they do and the rest of us can advance too. First of all, it's not an advantage if you have access to this community too. Having access and having the time to add another layer to the game are separate things. We'll have to agree to disagree here. It's not some wall that got put up, and only a select few people were allowed to benefit. You are correct. Your refusal to join it is on you. Again, you are correct. Secondly, as you've proven yourself, you don't even need to be a part of these communities to catch these grills. Here you're wrong. I assume I've caught one. I don't actually know. If they're like seed teams then no, I've never caught one. I was being polite and thanking you for the possibility I've caught one. There are plenty of posts in this thread from LINE users who've said that they've gotten to 900+ without the need for coordination. If you can't q a 50+ point match WITHOUT a line room, then once again, that's on you. Either you're not climbing high enough to catch one, your MMR isn't right to catch one, or you're climbing at a time when anyone with reasonably high points is shielded. Ok, I'll have to think about this one.Not climbing high enough - YOUR problem. You don't need grills to get to an appropriate point level, all you need is the right MMR to q up someone who has a sufficiently higher point total than you, and BE ABLE to beat the team I climb as soon as I join an event. Should I not see similar levels of teams? Typically I run out my leveled 3*, and (hopefully) either 1 or 2 boosted 4*. I either see 3* teams for 30 points or less, teams similar to mine for 40 points or less, and then the 50+ point teams always have 2 boosted 4* or near max covered/under leveled 5*. 50+ point matches are almost always substantially stronger than my best team.MMR isn't right - Womp womp. No one who has the capability of q'ing a 4-star team should ever have this problem. If you're stuck in 3* land, then it's understandable, as most 3* star rosters aren't going to be climbing to 750+ I'm not sure if this is correct or not.Climbing Late - Most people are going to be shielded in the last 8 hours of an event. However there should still usually be enough late climbers before you hit the 3 hr mark to still find high-point qs. I don't play in the last 20 hours of a PVP.I swear you guys act like the ONLY people you are capable of q'ing up for high points are in line rooms. If you could gather all the people in the world who play PVP, I can guarantee you that there will be much more people who don't use LINE than do. Fact of the matter is, high-point targets should be there for you whether you use the damn app or not. The only people that seem to talk about qing up these big targets are either LINE users, previous LINE users, or top level rosters. Are others doing it that are similar in roster to us? Probably but they don't talk about it much, if at all. I just put my responses to you in bold. Maybe I'm totally doing something wrong. But getting info from multiple sources that sometimes conflicts with each other doesn't help any of us to figure out if the outside communication does help. If your roster isn't at the level that allows you to q high point targets, or you simply can't beat them, then once again, that's on you. Your ability to beat these teams, or q these teams, has nothing to do with a LINE room, so I'm not seeing what that has to do with the "fairness" of being on LINE. Having ACCESS to LINE and have having time are completely unrelated, so yet again, that's on you. I find it funny that you find time to post on forums, but not coordinate your efforts with a group of like-minded people that are there to help you out. You not having time to be on line is no one else's problem but yours. It is most definitely an option for you, but you refuse. That doesn't mean its "unfair". You just said you had the capability of q'ing 4 star teams, and 4-star teams by default have the ability to score into 700+ territory. Therefore, you should naturally be q'ing up one of these teams when you start to enter the 400+ range.
Beer40 said: BoyWonder1914 said: Beer40 said: BoyWonder1914 said: sh81 said: Daiches said: Beer40 said: lokiagentofhotness said: Even PVE is for experienced players - there are many people who don't know how to play optimally and if you do it alone you either gotta figure it out somehow or use line or some other form of outside communication to learn the tricks. I'm not sure why everyone only complains about outside communication for PVP. Its so much more obvious. Example: "I got to 1200 in 15 matches" when those of us that don't use outside communication almost never see high point totals like that. That's a huge competitive advantage, and its used by grilling/cupcaking/working outside the confines of MPQ. Its easily apparent to everyone."Optimal play" in PVE is pretty self-evident if you care to look. As far as bracket sniping and those things,tbh, I've heard them mentioned a bunch and still don't fully understand them or how they really help unless you just want placement.Not trying to argue or anything, just answering your question. Oh man, you really should take notice of who you are talking too when trying to insult someone for being cupcake eaters. This kind of illustrates my point, I have literally no idea what that means! Which illustrates HIS point. If you've ever beat an incredibly easy team for 40+ while you were above 500ish points yourself, then you've eaten a cupcake/grill. Most people that have EVER played PVP have at some point, and they have someone in a LINE group to thank for that. People don't run these incredibly easy teams for themselves, they do it to help bring someone else up. They announce that they are unshielding with said team, and then let people q the easy team while they get ready to shield. Obviously anyone with an appropriate point level and MMR will be able to q up the grill team as well, not just the people in the LINE group. Grills/Cupcakes help the entire slice as a whole, not just said LINE group. So everyone who complains that this outside communication isn't "fair" has eaten off of our plates as some point before too. I'm going to address these out of order. To the second part I put in bold: Thanks, since that has probably happened to me at some point in nearly 600 days.But that takes us to the first part I put in bold: I may have hit these on occasion but I don't see teams that are easy very often, and sometimes never in an event. To be able to externally communicate and know exactly who these teams are and when they drop...that's a whole 'nother level of advantage.And people are attacking us that question such an external advantage in game.Once again, I will state that I have no issue with people wanting to be part of a community. But I firmly stand by my statement questioning if its good for PVP or not.Hopefully, after the test they will adopt the idea many have had and have a dual based points/wins system so that the community can do what they do and the rest of us can advance too. First of all, it's not an advantage if you have access to this community too. Having access and having the time to add another layer to the game are separate things. We'll have to agree to disagree here. It's not some wall that got put up, and only a select few people were allowed to benefit. You are correct. Your refusal to join it is on you. Again, you are correct. Secondly, as you've proven yourself, you don't even need to be a part of these communities to catch these grills. Here you're wrong. I assume I've caught one. I don't actually know. If they're like seed teams then no, I've never caught one. I was being polite and thanking you for the possibility I've caught one. There are plenty of posts in this thread from LINE users who've said that they've gotten to 900+ without the need for coordination. If you can't q a 50+ point match WITHOUT a line room, then once again, that's on you. Either you're not climbing high enough to catch one, your MMR isn't right to catch one, or you're climbing at a time when anyone with reasonably high points is shielded. Ok, I'll have to think about this one.Not climbing high enough - YOUR problem. You don't need grills to get to an appropriate point level, all you need is the right MMR to q up someone who has a sufficiently higher point total than you, and BE ABLE to beat the team I climb as soon as I join an event. Should I not see similar levels of teams? Typically I run out my leveled 3*, and (hopefully) either 1 or 2 boosted 4*. I either see 3* teams for 30 points or less, teams similar to mine for 40 points or less, and then the 50+ point teams always have 2 boosted 4* or near max covered/under leveled 5*. 50+ point matches are almost always substantially stronger than my best team.MMR isn't right - Womp womp. No one who has the capability of q'ing a 4-star team should ever have this problem. If you're stuck in 3* land, then it's understandable, as most 3* star rosters aren't going to be climbing to 750+ I'm not sure if this is correct or not.Climbing Late - Most people are going to be shielded in the last 8 hours of an event. However there should still usually be enough late climbers before you hit the 3 hr mark to still find high-point qs. I don't play in the last 20 hours of a PVP.I swear you guys act like the ONLY people you are capable of q'ing up for high points are in line rooms. If you could gather all the people in the world who play PVP, I can guarantee you that there will be much more people who don't use LINE than do. Fact of the matter is, high-point targets should be there for you whether you use the damn app or not. The only people that seem to talk about qing up these big targets are either LINE users, previous LINE users, or top level rosters. Are others doing it that are similar in roster to us? Probably but they don't talk about it much, if at all. I just put my responses to you in bold. Maybe I'm totally doing something wrong. But getting info from multiple sources that sometimes conflicts with each other doesn't help any of us to figure out if the outside communication does help.
BoyWonder1914 said: Beer40 said: BoyWonder1914 said: sh81 said: Daiches said: Beer40 said: lokiagentofhotness said: Even PVE is for experienced players - there are many people who don't know how to play optimally and if you do it alone you either gotta figure it out somehow or use line or some other form of outside communication to learn the tricks. I'm not sure why everyone only complains about outside communication for PVP. Its so much more obvious. Example: "I got to 1200 in 15 matches" when those of us that don't use outside communication almost never see high point totals like that. That's a huge competitive advantage, and its used by grilling/cupcaking/working outside the confines of MPQ. Its easily apparent to everyone."Optimal play" in PVE is pretty self-evident if you care to look. As far as bracket sniping and those things,tbh, I've heard them mentioned a bunch and still don't fully understand them or how they really help unless you just want placement.Not trying to argue or anything, just answering your question. Oh man, you really should take notice of who you are talking too when trying to insult someone for being cupcake eaters. This kind of illustrates my point, I have literally no idea what that means! Which illustrates HIS point. If you've ever beat an incredibly easy team for 40+ while you were above 500ish points yourself, then you've eaten a cupcake/grill. Most people that have EVER played PVP have at some point, and they have someone in a LINE group to thank for that. People don't run these incredibly easy teams for themselves, they do it to help bring someone else up. They announce that they are unshielding with said team, and then let people q the easy team while they get ready to shield. Obviously anyone with an appropriate point level and MMR will be able to q up the grill team as well, not just the people in the LINE group. Grills/Cupcakes help the entire slice as a whole, not just said LINE group. So everyone who complains that this outside communication isn't "fair" has eaten off of our plates as some point before too. I'm going to address these out of order. To the second part I put in bold: Thanks, since that has probably happened to me at some point in nearly 600 days.But that takes us to the first part I put in bold: I may have hit these on occasion but I don't see teams that are easy very often, and sometimes never in an event. To be able to externally communicate and know exactly who these teams are and when they drop...that's a whole 'nother level of advantage.And people are attacking us that question such an external advantage in game.Once again, I will state that I have no issue with people wanting to be part of a community. But I firmly stand by my statement questioning if its good for PVP or not.Hopefully, after the test they will adopt the idea many have had and have a dual based points/wins system so that the community can do what they do and the rest of us can advance too. First of all, it's not an advantage if you have access to this community too. Having access and having the time to add another layer to the game are separate things. We'll have to agree to disagree here. It's not some wall that got put up, and only a select few people were allowed to benefit. You are correct. Your refusal to join it is on you. Again, you are correct. Secondly, as you've proven yourself, you don't even need to be a part of these communities to catch these grills. Here you're wrong. I assume I've caught one. I don't actually know. If they're like seed teams then no, I've never caught one. I was being polite and thanking you for the possibility I've caught one. There are plenty of posts in this thread from LINE users who've said that they've gotten to 900+ without the need for coordination. If you can't q a 50+ point match WITHOUT a line room, then once again, that's on you. Either you're not climbing high enough to catch one, your MMR isn't right to catch one, or you're climbing at a time when anyone with reasonably high points is shielded. Ok, I'll have to think about this one.Not climbing high enough - YOUR problem. You don't need grills to get to an appropriate point level, all you need is the right MMR to q up someone who has a sufficiently higher point total than you, and BE ABLE to beat the team I climb as soon as I join an event. Should I not see similar levels of teams? Typically I run out my leveled 3*, and (hopefully) either 1 or 2 boosted 4*. I either see 3* teams for 30 points or less, teams similar to mine for 40 points or less, and then the 50+ point teams always have 2 boosted 4* or near max covered/under leveled 5*. 50+ point matches are almost always substantially stronger than my best team.MMR isn't right - Womp womp. No one who has the capability of q'ing a 4-star team should ever have this problem. If you're stuck in 3* land, then it's understandable, as most 3* star rosters aren't going to be climbing to 750+ I'm not sure if this is correct or not.Climbing Late - Most people are going to be shielded in the last 8 hours of an event. However there should still usually be enough late climbers before you hit the 3 hr mark to still find high-point qs. I don't play in the last 20 hours of a PVP.I swear you guys act like the ONLY people you are capable of q'ing up for high points are in line rooms. If you could gather all the people in the world who play PVP, I can guarantee you that there will be much more people who don't use LINE than do. Fact of the matter is, high-point targets should be there for you whether you use the damn app or not. The only people that seem to talk about qing up these big targets are either LINE users, previous LINE users, or top level rosters. Are others doing it that are similar in roster to us? Probably but they don't talk about it much, if at all.
Beer40 said: BoyWonder1914 said: sh81 said: Daiches said: Beer40 said: lokiagentofhotness said: Even PVE is for experienced players - there are many people who don't know how to play optimally and if you do it alone you either gotta figure it out somehow or use line or some other form of outside communication to learn the tricks. I'm not sure why everyone only complains about outside communication for PVP. Its so much more obvious. Example: "I got to 1200 in 15 matches" when those of us that don't use outside communication almost never see high point totals like that. That's a huge competitive advantage, and its used by grilling/cupcaking/working outside the confines of MPQ. Its easily apparent to everyone."Optimal play" in PVE is pretty self-evident if you care to look. As far as bracket sniping and those things,tbh, I've heard them mentioned a bunch and still don't fully understand them or how they really help unless you just want placement.Not trying to argue or anything, just answering your question. Oh man, you really should take notice of who you are talking too when trying to insult someone for being cupcake eaters. This kind of illustrates my point, I have literally no idea what that means! Which illustrates HIS point. If you've ever beat an incredibly easy team for 40+ while you were above 500ish points yourself, then you've eaten a cupcake/grill. Most people that have EVER played PVP have at some point, and they have someone in a LINE group to thank for that. People don't run these incredibly easy teams for themselves, they do it to help bring someone else up. They announce that they are unshielding with said team, and then let people q the easy team while they get ready to shield. Obviously anyone with an appropriate point level and MMR will be able to q up the grill team as well, not just the people in the LINE group. Grills/Cupcakes help the entire slice as a whole, not just said LINE group. So everyone who complains that this outside communication isn't "fair" has eaten off of our plates as some point before too. I'm going to address these out of order. To the second part I put in bold: Thanks, since that has probably happened to me at some point in nearly 600 days.But that takes us to the first part I put in bold: I may have hit these on occasion but I don't see teams that are easy very often, and sometimes never in an event. To be able to externally communicate and know exactly who these teams are and when they drop...that's a whole 'nother level of advantage.And people are attacking us that question such an external advantage in game.Once again, I will state that I have no issue with people wanting to be part of a community. But I firmly stand by my statement questioning if its good for PVP or not.Hopefully, after the test they will adopt the idea many have had and have a dual based points/wins system so that the community can do what they do and the rest of us can advance too.
BoyWonder1914 said: sh81 said: Daiches said: Beer40 said: lokiagentofhotness said: Even PVE is for experienced players - there are many people who don't know how to play optimally and if you do it alone you either gotta figure it out somehow or use line or some other form of outside communication to learn the tricks. I'm not sure why everyone only complains about outside communication for PVP. Its so much more obvious. Example: "I got to 1200 in 15 matches" when those of us that don't use outside communication almost never see high point totals like that. That's a huge competitive advantage, and its used by grilling/cupcaking/working outside the confines of MPQ. Its easily apparent to everyone."Optimal play" in PVE is pretty self-evident if you care to look. As far as bracket sniping and those things,tbh, I've heard them mentioned a bunch and still don't fully understand them or how they really help unless you just want placement.Not trying to argue or anything, just answering your question. Oh man, you really should take notice of who you are talking too when trying to insult someone for being cupcake eaters. This kind of illustrates my point, I have literally no idea what that means! Which illustrates HIS point. If you've ever beat an incredibly easy team for 40+ while you were above 500ish points yourself, then you've eaten a cupcake/grill. Most people that have EVER played PVP have at some point, and they have someone in a LINE group to thank for that. People don't run these incredibly easy teams for themselves, they do it to help bring someone else up. They announce that they are unshielding with said team, and then let people q the easy team while they get ready to shield. Obviously anyone with an appropriate point level and MMR will be able to q up the grill team as well, not just the people in the LINE group. Grills/Cupcakes help the entire slice as a whole, not just said LINE group. So everyone who complains that this outside communication isn't "fair" has eaten off of our plates as some point before too.
sh81 said: Daiches said: Beer40 said: lokiagentofhotness said: Even PVE is for experienced players - there are many people who don't know how to play optimally and if you do it alone you either gotta figure it out somehow or use line or some other form of outside communication to learn the tricks. I'm not sure why everyone only complains about outside communication for PVP. Its so much more obvious. Example: "I got to 1200 in 15 matches" when those of us that don't use outside communication almost never see high point totals like that. That's a huge competitive advantage, and its used by grilling/cupcaking/working outside the confines of MPQ. Its easily apparent to everyone."Optimal play" in PVE is pretty self-evident if you care to look. As far as bracket sniping and those things,tbh, I've heard them mentioned a bunch and still don't fully understand them or how they really help unless you just want placement.Not trying to argue or anything, just answering your question. Oh man, you really should take notice of who you are talking too when trying to insult someone for being cupcake eaters. This kind of illustrates my point, I have literally no idea what that means!
Daiches said: Beer40 said: lokiagentofhotness said: Even PVE is for experienced players - there are many people who don't know how to play optimally and if you do it alone you either gotta figure it out somehow or use line or some other form of outside communication to learn the tricks. I'm not sure why everyone only complains about outside communication for PVP. Its so much more obvious. Example: "I got to 1200 in 15 matches" when those of us that don't use outside communication almost never see high point totals like that. That's a huge competitive advantage, and its used by grilling/cupcaking/working outside the confines of MPQ. Its easily apparent to everyone."Optimal play" in PVE is pretty self-evident if you care to look. As far as bracket sniping and those things,tbh, I've heard them mentioned a bunch and still don't fully understand them or how they really help unless you just want placement.Not trying to argue or anything, just answering your question. Oh man, you really should take notice of who you are talking too when trying to insult someone for being cupcake eaters.
Beer40 said: lokiagentofhotness said: Even PVE is for experienced players - there are many people who don't know how to play optimally and if you do it alone you either gotta figure it out somehow or use line or some other form of outside communication to learn the tricks. I'm not sure why everyone only complains about outside communication for PVP. Its so much more obvious. Example: "I got to 1200 in 15 matches" when those of us that don't use outside communication almost never see high point totals like that. That's a huge competitive advantage, and its used by grilling/cupcaking/working outside the confines of MPQ. Its easily apparent to everyone."Optimal play" in PVE is pretty self-evident if you care to look. As far as bracket sniping and those things,tbh, I've heard them mentioned a bunch and still don't fully understand them or how they really help unless you just want placement.Not trying to argue or anything, just answering your question.
lokiagentofhotness said: Even PVE is for experienced players - there are many people who don't know how to play optimally and if you do it alone you either gotta figure it out somehow or use line or some other form of outside communication to learn the tricks. I'm not sure why everyone only complains about outside communication for PVP.
DarthDeVo said: Bowgentle said: DarthDeVo said: Already posted this in the Worst Moment of the Day thread, but felt it was appropriate here too:I. HATE. PVP. Black Vortex, got to 899. Want to guess how many points I lost trying to win one more match? 140. ONE HUNDRED FORTY FREAKING POINTS!!! Old PvP can die in a frigging dumpster fire. I finally gave up after blowing well over 1000 HP on healthpacks and shields and actually being worse off than when I started. This. THIS is why people HATE PvP with a burning passion. Only consolation is the end of vaulting, so maybe I'll have a chance to actually pull X-23's red cover. Probably not, though. Or you could, like, champ that Panther and never worry about 900 again. Sorry, I have other plans for my ISO right now. Maybe some day. And from what I understand if I champ one 5* and nothing else, I'll go from seeing mostly 4* teams and the occasional undercovered/underleveled 5* to seeing dual max covered or champed 5*s. Maybe the fights are worth more points, but they'll take longer to finish, therefore increasing the likelihood I'll get hammered for major losses trying for one or two more wins, even more than I am now. No thanks. If anything, that would probably make it harder to get to 900. Not too mention I would probably be forced to use him every single fight, synergy or rainbow coverage be danged.If they change PvE to a system similar to the tests they've run, and they switch PvP to this recent test, then maybe I'd consider champing him. But certainly not before.
mkmagius said: DarthDeVo said: Bowgentle said: DarthDeVo said: Already posted this in the Worst Moment of the Day thread, but felt it was appropriate here too:I. HATE. PVP. Black Vortex, got to 899. Want to guess how many points I lost trying to win one more match? 140. ONE HUNDRED FORTY FREAKING POINTS!!! Old PvP can die in a frigging dumpster fire. I finally gave up after blowing well over 1000 HP on healthpacks and shields and actually being worse off than when I started. This. THIS is why people HATE PvP with a burning passion. Only consolation is the end of vaulting, so maybe I'll have a chance to actually pull X-23's red cover. Probably not, though. Or you could, like, champ that Panther and never worry about 900 again. Sorry, I have other plans for my ISO right now. Maybe some day. And from what I understand if I champ one 5* and nothing else, I'll go from seeing mostly 4* teams and the occasional undercovered/underleveled 5* to seeing dual max covered or champed 5*s. Maybe the fights are worth more points, but they'll take longer to finish, therefore increasing the likelihood I'll get hammered for major losses trying for one or two more wins, even more than I am now. No thanks. If anything, that would probably make it harder to get to 900. Not too mention I would probably be forced to use him every single fight, synergy or rainbow coverage be danged.If they change PvE to a system similar to the tests they've run, and they switch PvP to this recent test, then maybe I'd consider champing him. But certainly not before. FWIW I only have 1 champed 5*. I don't see double 5* teams until I break MMR usually over 1000. I start off seeing boosted 4* + lvl 400ish 5*. Then boosted 4* + champed 5*. Then mmr breaks a little and I start queueing pure 4* teams. By that point though I'm usually hitting high pt grills. So don't worry about only seeing teams of 2 5*.
DarthDeVo said: :snip:So maybe I just wasn't destined to do well this event. But my goal, despite how long it may take, is to get to the point it doesn't matter who's boosted because I'll have them all champed and will have a broad list of characters to choose from. For the most part, I understand that means some events will be easier than others to hit 900. It's just that this particular instance (being literally one point away and having all my progress violently ripped away), especially coming off what was personally a much more relaxed and rewarding test experience, that reminded me of just how much I really dislike the mechanics of the way PvP is currently set up.
aa25 said: DarthDeVo said: :snip: So maybe I just wasn't destined to do well this event. But my goal, despite how long it may take, is to get to the point it doesn't matter who's boosted because I'll have them all champed and will have a broad list of characters to choose from. For the most part, I understand that means some events will be easier than others to hit 900. It's just that this particular instance (being literally one point away and having all my progress violently ripped away), especially coming off what was personally a much more relaxed and rewarding test experience, that reminded me of just how much I really dislike the mechanics of the way PvP is currently set up. This is actually one of the worst things vaulting does to new players which also have been pointed out over and over (roster diversity). Don't use these two events (Divine Champion and Black Vortex) as indicators of general PvP. These two have very limited boosted characters. During the normal PvP, it is more likely to have at least one of the latest 12 boosted and that will be a great help.As for that 1 pts away from 900, which happened to me so many times too, one tip that might help you is to keep an eye on the average pts of the opponents while you skip through them. If you notice that teams that are as strong as yours or even stronger all have less than, say 30-35 pts. It is very likely that you are pulling ahead of them and worth 40+ pts for them. Therefore, people will start queuing you and hit you. If you see this, what you should do is shield up, wait a bit, and do a hop. Never ever think like, you need only one more match, let's try to sneak it through. (Yup, I learn this a hard way.) Hope this helps
DarthDeVo said: :snip: So maybe I just wasn't destined to do well this event. But my goal, despite how long it may take, is to get to the point it doesn't matter who's boosted because I'll have them all champed and will have a broad list of characters to choose from. For the most part, I understand that means some events will be easier than others to hit 900. It's just that this particular instance (being literally one point away and having all my progress violently ripped away), especially coming off what was personally a much more relaxed and rewarding test experience, that reminded me of just how much I really dislike the mechanics of the way PvP is currently set up.
sh81 said: Ive been speaking to OJSP privately, and yes, his version of "Just play" is more than just play.The 38 point thing, he told me today, it wasnt something I was aware of, and Ive made better progress since.So far today, Im at 512 points from 25 matches. 147 points (less 39 in hits) since he messaged me. So my efficiency has improved.Clearly its not as simple as just having a go though, there is a lot going on in PVP which, if you arent in the know, makes it a horrible place to play.
OJSP said: broll said: Which is why I rebelled against the 'just play' tinykitty. If there are rules or tips to follow then it's not just playing, it's playing by a certain rule book that not everyone is aware of. Ask in the forum then.
broll said: Which is why I rebelled against the 'just play' tinykitty. If there are rules or tips to follow then it's not just playing, it's playing by a certain rule book that not everyone is aware of.