Pvp cyber bullying

Spudgutter

RhodeyWM said:

I never really quite understood what "bullying" means in a PvP game.  Is there some unwritten rule that you can only hit the same person so many times during a round?  Seems like too much work trying to remember who you attacked and who you didn't.  When I play, I look for points and that's it. I couldn't tell you any of the names of anyone I attacked or whether or not I attacked them once, twice or five times during that round.  Does that make me a "bully"?

No, i think you are the opposite of a bully. You play exactly how the game is poorly designed. That's the way i play, myself. 

It may have been awhile since the last thread on this, but it used to be the case that whole alliances would seek out specific people, to retaliate because one of them got hit when they didn't want to be hit.  Thankfully it doesn't happen as much anymore. 

Spudgutter

Jsh2014 said:

What has this world come to now we started the plate about being bullied I'm a game that we attack each other and chees what has this world come to now we started played about being bullied I'm a game that we attack each other in... anybody who thinks you're being bullied needs to go see the therapist it's a game it's supposed be fun. Retur anybody who thinks you're being bullied needs to go see the therapist it's a game it's supposed be fun. 
 Well maybe to Demi bulling us into spending money lol

Any chance you could clean this up a bit?  I would like a chance to counter your therapy argument, but your post is all over the place. 

Darknes21

Yes ....I have been single out

Steellatch said:

The poll options dont include a "yes it happens" just not to me.

There are black list rooms on Line where a name gets posted and members will hit when they see. I have seen alliance commanders messaging people back and forth about abusive hitting and hit requesting. 

Great comment! I wish I added that to the options! 

acescracked

I'm triple tapping everyone who posted in this thread!

DarthDeVo

During the off season, I was trying to get 900 in Nefarious Foes. Once I got above 700, but especially 800, the attacks really started coming in. 

I had hit one particular player with a certain team for a fair amount of points. In fact, I may have double tapped him, as I was in queue purgatory and kept seeing the same teams/names. 

At some point, he changed his team to a lineup I felt wasn't worth the hassle to fight. However, almost every single time I came out of a match, I was notified I had lost a match to this player. I wasn't retaliating, but he kept kicking me down, when all I was trying to do was get to 900.

Bullying? Probably not. Aggravating and frustrating? You better believe it. And at some point, yeah, I couldn't help but wonder if I had somehow insulted a dear family member without knowing it, because it was kind of feeling personal. 

Reality probably was he was caught in queue purgatory too, and just saw my team as easy pickings. 

Never did get to 900. Finally had to call it quits and go to bed. 

BlackWidower

The thing I've found with PVP is that you get tons of way over-powered players and then that ONE person who you know you can beat.  
So you tap them once.  Then you go around and around and around and they keep coming up .  So you figure, ok, one more time.  And then you go around again and they just keep appearing over and over.

There is a rare occasion where I just want the last 10 points to get the 10 CP and I have tapped a third time, but I actually feel bad and I do sort of figure someone is going to put me on their hate list.

I wish you could PM them and say " look dude, I know that was uncool, let me level down to a one star cupcake team, I'll attack you (and of course lose) and then you can go to town on me", but you can't.

Maybe there should be a limit to the amount of times you can attack someone?  I dunno.

I enjoy being a tourist in PVP.   I like to dip my feet in the water and then get the heck out, because frankly, it can be stressful.  I'm not dismissing how you feel or your situation and if someone is actually sending you vicious messages, that sucks, but maybe you are just not the swim with the sharks sort of person?

Jsh2014

No

Spudgutter said:

Jsh2014 said:

What has this world come to now we started the plate about being bullied I'm a game that we attack each other and chees what has this world come to now we started played about being bullied I'm a game that we attack each other in... anybody who thinks you're being bullied needs to go see the therapist it's a game it's supposed be fun. Retur anybody who thinks you're being bullied needs to go see the therapist it's a game it's supposed be fun. 
 Well maybe to Demi bulling us into spending money lol

Any chance you could clean this up a bit?  I would like a chance to counter your therapy argument, but your post is all over the place. 

SPUDGUTTER IS BULLING ME

Jsh2014

No

 By the way spot gutter I did just try to repost it and it went to tiny kitty I do not know what goes on with this form is the fifth or sixth time I've lost a posting comment I give up!!!!

snlf25

No

The system is what it is. Blame the devs. I don't have tons of Iso and I'm not going to waste thousands of it trying to skip repeat hits.

maltyo9

acescracked said:

I'm triple tapping everyone who posted in this thread!

Man, I'm glad I didn't post in this thread!

Oh, wait...



Tinykitty me...

STOPTHIS

I didn't vote because I don't play PvP enough to really be affected by this, but I've seen enough threads here that I know there are some Mean Girl-esque cliques running around and they are petty as hell. It's actually made me more aware not to double tap someone, especially on the off chance I'm going for 900.

As noted cyber-bullying is a silly thing to call this, it's just a game.

Beer40

I go after everyone I can to get to 575. Once there I usually stop. Lately I'm getting knocked back to 370. It's cool, I got mine now you got yours. People take this **** too seriously. 

GuntherBlobel

No

The only part of this that sounds like bullying to me is part about the hate messages that one poster claims to be receiving. However, that doesn't sound like a problem with MPQ or PVP, as much as it is a problem with the community the poster engages with outside the game.

I get pummeled like everyone else at 899 pts. I don't take it personally, because, as far as I know, it isn't personal. Maybe it's time to disconnect from whatever group the hate messages are coming from.

veny

PvP is about beating players, especially the weak ones (as long as they give points)... deal with it or play PvE only...
I also gave up the thinking about getting 4*s from PvE progress loot cuz i was no able to get above 800 points.
575 pts are way easy to get and it is a good reward for time spent.

Pants1000

No

I may have been targeted once or twice for double-tapping, but not recently.  It would be nice if the developers made some changes so you couldn't see names or made it so you couldn't queue someone that you've beaten in the last hour.  For the most part though, what I see is just expected behavior in a game where people are supposed to attack each other.

Stick

It's aggressive behaviour, sure. But it's only cyber-bullying if they attack you personally. So, private messages and the like.

Borstock

I didn't know this existed until I heard how alliances will "retaliate" against players they feel has hit one of their players too often. 

I do try to avoid hitting the same player too many times in a single session, but sometimes the game only gives me three teams to hit at all. When one of those teams is way weaker than the other two and I'm 100 pts or so away from 900, what am I supposed to do? 

I try to be considerate. When that's impossible, I get over it. 

Blergh

Have you read the definition of Bully? It's quite interesting when viewed with how PVP operates in this game. 

BULLY.

NOUN

1. a person who uses strength or influence to harm or intimidate those who are weaker.
   "he is a ranting, domineering bully"
   
   

VERB

1. use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force them to do something
   

So the dictionary definition has nothing to do with being a personal attack.  It doesn't even have to be an attack. It's just making them feel daunted, or discouraged to do something .  In this thread alone there are a number of replies that say they focus on PVE which gives the claim some credence, don't you think? If they didn't feel intimidated or discouraged why would they avoid PVP?

Sure, those of you who are stronger can justify your actions, and even quite rightly - that the game forces you to oppress or target weaker teams to progress. But that doesn't really negate the other person's feelings or their sense that they are being targeted. As they are.  And if you see one persons name pop up more then twice in quick succession or a lot of people from the same alliance have run over you, it can feel vindictive and personal. Especially to people not connected to the whole Line/Forum culture. 

I mean how many new posters have you seen here that have come to ask if they've upset someone?  I've seen three I can remember, and I've never frequent visitor to the forums, even when I played the game. Think most of them were redirected to the hints and tips forum lately if you actually want to trawl through and count.  I simply don't care enough to do so. 

I think the outside communication used through check rooms compounds the problem for those not part of that culture in two ways. Firstly, it narrows the people that are being hit in a slice, as if you are not in a check room you're fairer game and always readily available. Secondly, you'd be unaware of the fact that some alliances climb in waves as they wait for team mates to shield, and as the people feeling bullied are weaker -  they will most probably be hit by each climber in the alliance without being targeted by the alliance themselves.  But it will still look and feel like the attacks have been coordinated against the player. I've actually seen that happen. 

I don't think the issue is whether or not your intentionally setting out to bully other players (as no one is). I think the issue is that some players feel intimidated to play aspects of the game. That players are feeling bullied, are daunted or discouraged to play or take part. Are made to feel weak. Isn't exclusion a form of bullying in itself? And those hit the worst by this are those that are deemed the outsiders to the community, who wouldn't have the knowledge or ability to rationalize it. And that these players are going to be those newer to the game too maybe.  

FokaiHI

No

Who has been beaten by a lesser roster? I have. I retaliate knowing that that person will also reataliate. I also know when doing this he or she will eventually lose. It will also cost them HP. Tactics like that I see as deterrents, not bullying and are fair game. 

I always look at my opponents roster to know what I am getting into. I also notice the alliance as well because I am pretty much solo. So when I attack certain players of certain alliances, I'm prepared to get hit. That's when you shield. 

purplemur

tone deaf much?

this thread is pretty harsh with the "just deal with it/go play PvE/bully deniers. We should be aware of the community response to the idea of cyber bullying. Kids are committing suicide because of online bullies and harassment. It's real. it happens through a broad spectrum of online interactions and it is devastating.
Because of MPQ? i dunno, maybe, it could happen. What kind of toxic dump would the forum be if we were just like "pssst whatevs, I don't care, deal with it!"?! We would be like the RUST community; a cesspit of foulness and nastiness that should only be reserved for Jar-Jar, and 4chan spammers. A rep that keeps people from playing the game.
If we showed a micron of care about this issue as we did for suspected cheaters and the ToS this thread could have been helpful and uplifting. I don't think the OP was even trying to insinuate anything, just starting a discussion. A discussion that went sourly reactionist like the whole idea is just whining.

-What do you think cyber bullying would be? lets try and come up with a community standard and have some measure to gauge against. 

-What should a player do if they think they are being bullied? =report that tinykitty! yea but how? is the forum the place, i dunno, maybe, lets have a mods opinion: How you gonna be all up in the biz about posts being in the wrong sub but let issues like this ghost?
-A responding post said they get personal hate messages, and multiple posts about specific players have allready been created. that seems like a pattern of bullying. 
-How do you even hit a player multiple times in a row? seems like targeting.
- Alliances colluding on LINE to name and "punish" players for perceived transgressions is pretty close to the definition:

Victims of cyberbullying may not know the identity of their bully, or why the bully is targeting them. The harassment can have wide-reaching effects on the victim, as the content used to harass the victim can be spread and shared easily among many people and often remains accessible for a long time after the initial incident

Yep, villains gonna villain, but we don't need to collectively accept Leroy Jenkins attitude and act like we are headshotting prols who shouldn't even be in the room if they can't hang with the Alphas!
 Thats such a 2000's regressive paradigm; We can do better. Make PvP FUN again!