beyonderbub said: fmftint said: beyonderbub said: revskip said:People still quote something Ice-X said a very long time ago. On this, I think people like to misquote or edit out Ice-X's full thought: "You're supposed to lose health..." in reference to fighting Galactus or Boss Battles, but all you usually get is the spun up anti D3 slogan: "You're supposed to lose" The only one misquoting him is YOUhttps://forums.d3go.com/discussion/33616/on-galactus-run-1-game-feel-vs-ultronYou're supposed to lose. Read the whole post.
fmftint said: beyonderbub said: revskip said:People still quote something Ice-X said a very long time ago. On this, I think people like to misquote or edit out Ice-X's full thought: "You're supposed to lose health..." in reference to fighting Galactus or Boss Battles, but all you usually get is the spun up anti D3 slogan: "You're supposed to lose" The only one misquoting him is YOUhttps://forums.d3go.com/discussion/33616/on-galactus-run-1-game-feel-vs-ultronYou're supposed to lose.
beyonderbub said: revskip said:People still quote something Ice-X said a very long time ago. On this, I think people like to misquote or edit out Ice-X's full thought: "You're supposed to lose health..." in reference to fighting Galactus or Boss Battles, but all you usually get is the spun up anti D3 slogan: "You're supposed to lose"
revskip said:People still quote something Ice-X said a very long time ago.
liminal_lad said: beyonderbub said: fmftint said: beyonderbub said: revskip said:People still quote something Ice-X said a very long time ago. On this, I think people like to misquote or edit out Ice-X's full thought: "You're supposed to lose health..." in reference to fighting Galactus or Boss Battles, but all you usually get is the spun up anti D3 slogan: "You're supposed to lose" The only one misquoting him is YOUhttps://forums.d3go.com/discussion/33616/on-galactus-run-1-game-feel-vs-ultronYou're supposed to lose. Read the whole post. He says "You're supposed to lose" in a variety of tone deaf ways. Lose the match, "lose the health packs," "going into a battle you may well lose." I think this is also a debate you're going to lose, at least here, where the outrage over this went on for months.
Warbringa said: Yeah I think their big issue was saying that people "prefer" the 3600 to the 2500 option. Logically speaking, most people would only buy this item for the 4* cover, not the other paltry rewards so yes, I think most people would prefer the 2500 option if given both choices (which is not what the test was).
Well, I don't think any law of logic is violated by people preferring the 3600 option, but maybe that's not what you mean by "logically speaking." As for a split test not testing preferences, I posted my disagreement with that earlier (I think such tests clearly can measure preferences) and did not receive any argument to the contrary that I found plausible (I don't find extraordinarily unlikely scenarios like, "maybe they randomly assigned people to groups and by random chance, significantly more people from one category ended up in one group" any more plausible than flipping heads 80 times in a row).
As to how they actually tested, I don't know, since they didn't post any details (I don't think they ever mentioned "A/B testing" either - I think someone on the forums brought that up). Nor do I know if more people bought the 3600 option than the 2500 option or, if so, how many, since they didn't post the results. They certainly didn't post enough details for me to draw any firm conclusions, nor to use those conclusions to further conclude that the devs are (or are not) deceitful or don't (or do) understand how to do preference testing (don't know if I can say the same for some of the arguments on the forum).
Having said that, my guess (which is just a wild guess that I'm not going present as ascertained fact) is that the 3600 offer was more profitable, not necessarily that more people purchased it, but I could very well be wrong (though sales volume and profitability are not unrelated).
I also prefer the 2500 option and can't fathom why people would prefer the 3600 option, but then again, I'm pretty hardcore so the rewards other than the 4* cover amount to far less than I earn in a day. That may not be the case for others, especially newbies/casual players (who may represent a much larger percentage of the player base than they do the forum base or the commenter base).
I find the sale prices for ISO absolutely ridiculous but they've had them in place for as long as I've been playing (ca six months) and I suspect for a lot longer. If most players valued them the way I do (i.e. not at all), I can't imagine they'd sell many and I'd think they would have changed the pricing. The fact that they haven't makes me wonder if newbies/casual players actually value ISO a lot more than I do (confession time: I actually did buy ISO in the first couple of weeks I was playing before I started playing PvE or was able to complete DDQ and wised up). I was originally skeptical that newbies would value a single 4* cover much, since it is really almost unusable, but then I remembered that back when I was in 1* and 2* land, I thought 4* covers were the bee's knees - and they actually weren't completely useless before I started champing my 2*s.
astrp3 said: Claiming that people bought the 3600 offer only because they had no choice may explain whey they bought the 3600 offer but it does not explain why significantly MORE players with the 3600 offer chose to purchase it than did those in the 2500 group (assuming that this was actually the case).
Claiming that people bought the 3600 offer only because they had no choice may explain whey they bought the 3600 offer but it does not explain why significantly MORE players with the 3600 offer chose to purchase it than did those in the 2500 group (assuming that this was actually the case).
I assume it's not the case. Why? Because they seemed to be very careful in NOT saying that more 3600 were purchased than 2500. The statement says 3600 was "preferred".
My guess (that's all it is since everything about this game is a bloody secret) is if there wasn't a significant difference in 3600 sales vs 2500 they'd go with 2500. If folks willing to pay it, why wouldn't they charge that amount?
bbigler said: I want to reiterate that this was not a good test because players only had one choice. If all players could choose between 2500 and 3600 offers, then I bet you would have different results. I had the 3600 offer, even though I wanted the 2500 offer. I still bought the 3600 deals because I had the extra HP and needed those covers. But that doesn't mean I prefer the 3600 offer!
orbitalint said: My guess is that the 3600 came close to the 2500 raw number of sales and they concluded people are indifferent to the pricing. I wonder if the 2500 group as a whole are annoyed and refuse to buy the 3600 in masses and sales drop like a rock...
WEBGAS said: Second me...bought 4 covers for 2500hp each....but now I WILL NEVER buy for 3600hp
When determining if I should buy from the HfH store I just find the answer to:
"How much HP will it cost to buy a specific 4* cover?"
It used to be 2500HP, because I got lucky with the pilot groups, now its 3600HP... I'd have considered myself lucky if there was another pilot group with no extras and just cost 2200HP, if given the choice between all three it would be the cheapest every time.
I'd be lying if I said I would never buy it at 3600HP, there are probably scenarios where I would... far less than 2500 though, but I guess we'll see...
nick_chicane said: I think it all comes down to whether its the final cover or not. At 3600HP, I would buy the final cover if it was for a vaulted character that I was desperate to finish. At 2500HP though, I'd have bought a lot more covers, lots more that weren't the final cover.