SuperRecoome said: I'm glad we finally got an answer, not too happy that answer locks me out of a 4 star transition. As a casual player, I do not earn enough 4 star tokens to max cover a character before they are vaulted. I just don't earn them fast enough. This forever locks me out of the 4 star transition. I've been playing since the game first came out on steam, and it does kind of suck to be told you don't play this game in the way we want for the amount of time we want you to play, so these last few years have been wasted. This makes my legendary tokens worthless. No point in buying them with CP either, so that makes my CP pretty much worthless too. I can save until I can get 1 4 star cover, but even that is expensive. I was a VIP subscriber before, but now the main draws of the VIP are worthless to me, so there's no point in spending. I dunno, I guess I'm done with MPQ, but not because I want to be. . I'll check in on the forums every month or so and see if anything changes to make the game playable again for me. I was concentrating on maxing my 3 star champs while I waited for this to sort out, but since the official answer is nothing is changing, there's no point in sticking around :-(
Spudgutter said: @n25philly I'm not the one you are replying to, but something you said really stuck out to me. "I haven't opened a token since the change."Why are you so vehemently opposed to something you haven't even tried yet? You throw out numbers like "80% unusable" but then say you only play one match a day for the rewards. Of course you can't level up 4* if you don't play. And if you really have that many of the current 12 maxed but not champed, then hoard. They said it was an unintended consequence. Hoard your tokens, play pve to progression for the cp and iso rewards, and wait for some people to cycle out. Is it ideal? In my opinion, no. Is it worth railing against? Again, my opinon, based on the last two months of actually using the system, is no.
Jarvind said: n25philly said: Makes too much sense? Doesn't do a good enough of a job of trying to force money from people? Worried you might look competent? I mean, I just picked this one example because that was a lot of text, but.This may come as a shock, but being openly hostile and telling people they are trash uuuuusually doesn't win them over to your side. See also: recent American presidental elections.
n25philly said: Makes too much sense? Doesn't do a good enough of a job of trying to force money from people? Worried you might look competent?
Makes too much sense? Doesn't do a good enough of a job of trying to force money from people? Worried you might look competent?
n25philly said: Spudgutter said: @n25philly I'm not the one you are replying to, but something you said really stuck out to me. "I haven't opened a token since the change."Why are you so vehemently opposed to something you haven't even tried yet? You throw out numbers like "80% unusable" but then say you only play one match a day for the rewards. Of course you can't level up 4* if you don't play. And if you really have that many of the current 12 maxed but not champed, then hoard. They said it was an unintended consequence. Hoard your tokens, play pve to progression for the cp and iso rewards, and wait for some people to cycle out. Is it ideal? In my opinion, no. Is it worth railing against? Again, my opinon, based on the last two months of actually using the system, is no. I'm not opening tokens, not because I am against the system but because there is no good reason to. If I pull a legendary right now there is about an 80% chance of pulling someone I can't roster. Why do that for what is almost guaranteed to be waste?When the change came I played as I normally did for nearly two weeks. Got nowhere so I started scaling back to playing the DDQ every days and sometimes other stuff. Then just the DDQ. Now it's just 1-2 matches to get the daily reward. I play less and less because I don't see the point. It's going to take forever to get the hp to roster the 12. No point in rushing since there is no point in rostering until I get close to having enough for them all. Even with my old regular play getting 9-10 slots whatever it is will take forever. After rostering 3* star lord I have almost enough for one slot.Level up everyone faster? lol, I have like 300,000 iso. Again best to wait until I have enough to level champ a few characters at minimum. (really best to wait until I can do most of them)My not pulling has nothing to do with hating the system but being stuck due to the system. Why use up resources when they will just go to waste? The intent was to horde until it made sense but it's just too much and not fun. I did open all my taco tokens when I did the fill DDQ, so it wasn't really that I opened nothing, just the stuff likely to hurt me by opening.
spatenfloot said: Seems like most of the forum concerns could be addressed by:doubling the bonus heroes rate doubling ALL iso awards in the game (including cover sell)removing the 2 stars from Vintage tokens.
Spudgutter said: n25philly said: Spudgutter said: @n25philly I'm not the one you are replying to, but something you said really stuck out to me. "I haven't opened a token since the change."Why are you so vehemently opposed to something you haven't even tried yet? You throw out numbers like "80% unusable" but then say you only play one match a day for the rewards. Of course you can't level up 4* if you don't play. And if you really have that many of the current 12 maxed but not champed, then hoard. They said it was an unintended consequence. Hoard your tokens, play pve to progression for the cp and iso rewards, and wait for some people to cycle out. Is it ideal? In my opinion, no. Is it worth railing against? Again, my opinon, based on the last two months of actually using the system, is no. I'm not opening tokens, not because I am against the system but because there is no good reason to. If I pull a legendary right now there is about an 80% chance of pulling someone I can't roster. Why do that for what is almost guaranteed to be waste?When the change came I played as I normally did for nearly two weeks. Got nowhere so I started scaling back to playing the DDQ every days and sometimes other stuff. Then just the DDQ. Now it's just 1-2 matches to get the daily reward. I play less and less because I don't see the point. It's going to take forever to get the hp to roster the 12. No point in rushing since there is no point in rostering until I get close to having enough for them all. Even with my old regular play getting 9-10 slots whatever it is will take forever. After rostering 3* star lord I have almost enough for one slot.Level up everyone faster? lol, I have like 300,000 iso. Again best to wait until I have enough to level champ a few characters at minimum. (really best to wait until I can do most of them)My not pulling has nothing to do with hating the system but being stuck due to the system. Why use up resources when they will just go to waste? The intent was to horde until it made sense but it's just too much and not fun. I did open all my taco tokens when I did the fill DDQ, so it wasn't really that I opened nothing, just the stuff likely to hurt me by opening. So it isn't even an issue of unusable 4* covers, it's that you wouldn't even be able to roster them?!?If you are not ready to roster 80% of what is offered in an LT, you are not really in the 4* transition, so most of this conversation doesn't impact you. If you want to take a stance on the vaulted 3*, please do so. But again, you are no worse off now than you were when they vaulted, and in several peoples opinions, better off. You could take 6 months of daily play, with some effort towards PVE, and hoard everything. By November, you will have plenty of HP and CP to jump into the 4* transition. And when that happens (assuming nothing changes), you will be pulling from a pool of 12 instead of 50+, almost guaranteeing to max cover several. With the ISO stored up, you immediately jump from 3* to 4* player. I don't see how that is such a bad thing.
Jaedenkaal said: Welcome Death said: I dont think vaulting is an issue. I dont think bonus heroes are an issue. 3* bonus heroes seem to come pretty quickly, which is a good thing. 4* BH from heroics / event tokens are basically nil, and I'm ok with that. I do not understand this, though: it was posted in the bonus hero thread, as an edit, that you're actually getting a 17% shot at a bonus hero for each 3* and 4* you pull from heroics. The 5% is from the 2* diluting the pool. That's fine. But if i pull a 4* from the LT store, I'm only getting a 5% bonus for each 4* I pull, same with 5*. It sounds like you do understand it. It's a 17% chance because there is not a 100% chance to pull a BH-eligible cover from a heroic token. So the odds of getting a BH from a heroic token are still 1/20, but because you can't get a 2* bonus hero, they're just weighted such that when you pull a 3* or 4*, your odds of also getting a bonus hero are 17%. Legendary tokens don't have this issue because 100% of draws are BH-eligible. So no matter which token you open, you have a 5% chancalso getting a bonus hero. The odds are the same even if one of them is calculated as 1.00 x 0.05 and the other is calculated as ~0.294 x ~0.17.
Welcome Death said: I dont think vaulting is an issue. I dont think bonus heroes are an issue. 3* bonus heroes seem to come pretty quickly, which is a good thing. 4* BH from heroics / event tokens are basically nil, and I'm ok with that. I do not understand this, though: it was posted in the bonus hero thread, as an edit, that you're actually getting a 17% shot at a bonus hero for each 3* and 4* you pull from heroics. The 5% is from the 2* diluting the pool. That's fine. But if i pull a 4* from the LT store, I'm only getting a 5% bonus for each 4* I pull, same with 5*.
n25philly said: Spudgutter said: n25philly said: Spudgutter said: @n25philly I'm not the one you are replying to, but something you said really stuck out to me. "I haven't opened a token since the change."Why are you so vehemently opposed to something you haven't even tried yet? You throw out numbers like "80% unusable" but then say you only play one match a day for the rewards. Of course you can't level up 4* if you don't play. And if you really have that many of the current 12 maxed but not champed, then hoard. They said it was an unintended consequence. Hoard your tokens, play pve to progression for the cp and iso rewards, and wait for some people to cycle out. Is it ideal? In my opinion, no. Is it worth railing against? Again, my opinon, based on the last two months of actually using the system, is no. I'm not opening tokens, not because I am against the system but because there is no good reason to. If I pull a legendary right now there is about an 80% chance of pulling someone I can't roster. Why do that for what is almost guaranteed to be waste?When the change came I played as I normally did for nearly two weeks. Got nowhere so I started scaling back to playing the DDQ every days and sometimes other stuff. Then just the DDQ. Now it's just 1-2 matches to get the daily reward. I play less and less because I don't see the point. It's going to take forever to get the hp to roster the 12. No point in rushing since there is no point in rostering until I get close to having enough for them all. Even with my old regular play getting 9-10 slots whatever it is will take forever. After rostering 3* star lord I have almost enough for one slot.Level up everyone faster? lol, I have like 300,000 iso. Again best to wait until I have enough to level champ a few characters at minimum. (really best to wait until I can do most of them)My not pulling has nothing to do with hating the system but being stuck due to the system. Why use up resources when they will just go to waste? The intent was to horde until it made sense but it's just too much and not fun. I did open all my taco tokens when I did the fill DDQ, so it wasn't really that I opened nothing, just the stuff likely to hurt me by opening. So it isn't even an issue of unusable 4* covers, it's that you wouldn't even be able to roster them?!?If you are not ready to roster 80% of what is offered in an LT, you are not really in the 4* transition, so most of this conversation doesn't impact you. If you want to take a stance on the vaulted 3*, please do so. But again, you are no worse off now than you were when they vaulted, and in several peoples opinions, better off. You could take 6 months of daily play, with some effort towards PVE, and hoard everything. By November, you will have plenty of HP and CP to jump into the 4* transition. And when that happens (assuming nothing changes), you will be pulling from a pool of 12 instead of 50+, almost guaranteeing to max cover several. With the ISO stored up, you immediately jump from 3* to 4* player. I don't see how that is such a bad thing. I have every 3* champed except for the last 2 released. In the old system I could spread out the covers and build as I go. Slow progress, but progress. November? It would take a lot longer than that. I can't treat this game like a second job so my progress would be slow in the best of circumstances. Again I get stuck with a limit roster that I'll be stuck playing everything with due to scaling. (another joy of the system) while characters I actually want to play sit neglected. Even if I did put it all together by november, that is still a half a year of going nowhere. Where is the fun of that again?
Spudgutter said: n25philly said: Spudgutter said: n25philly said: Spudgutter said: @n25philly I'm not the one you are replying to, but something you said really stuck out to me. "I haven't opened a token since the change."Why are you so vehemently opposed to something you haven't even tried yet? You throw out numbers like "80% unusable" but then say you only play one match a day for the rewards. Of course you can't level up 4* if you don't play. And if you really have that many of the current 12 maxed but not champed, then hoard. They said it was an unintended consequence. Hoard your tokens, play pve to progression for the cp and iso rewards, and wait for some people to cycle out. Is it ideal? In my opinion, no. Is it worth railing against? Again, my opinon, based on the last two months of actually using the system, is no. I'm not opening tokens, not because I am against the system but because there is no good reason to. If I pull a legendary right now there is about an 80% chance of pulling someone I can't roster. Why do that for what is almost guaranteed to be waste?When the change came I played as I normally did for nearly two weeks. Got nowhere so I started scaling back to playing the DDQ every days and sometimes other stuff. Then just the DDQ. Now it's just 1-2 matches to get the daily reward. I play less and less because I don't see the point. It's going to take forever to get the hp to roster the 12. No point in rushing since there is no point in rostering until I get close to having enough for them all. Even with my old regular play getting 9-10 slots whatever it is will take forever. After rostering 3* star lord I have almost enough for one slot.Level up everyone faster? lol, I have like 300,000 iso. Again best to wait until I have enough to level champ a few characters at minimum. (really best to wait until I can do most of them)My not pulling has nothing to do with hating the system but being stuck due to the system. Why use up resources when they will just go to waste? The intent was to horde until it made sense but it's just too much and not fun. I did open all my taco tokens when I did the fill DDQ, so it wasn't really that I opened nothing, just the stuff likely to hurt me by opening. So it isn't even an issue of unusable 4* covers, it's that you wouldn't even be able to roster them?!?If you are not ready to roster 80% of what is offered in an LT, you are not really in the 4* transition, so most of this conversation doesn't impact you. If you want to take a stance on the vaulted 3*, please do so. But again, you are no worse off now than you were when they vaulted, and in several peoples opinions, better off. You could take 6 months of daily play, with some effort towards PVE, and hoard everything. By November, you will have plenty of HP and CP to jump into the 4* transition. And when that happens (assuming nothing changes), you will be pulling from a pool of 12 instead of 50+, almost guaranteeing to max cover several. With the ISO stored up, you immediately jump from 3* to 4* player. I don't see how that is such a bad thing. I have every 3* champed except for the last 2 released. In the old system I could spread out the covers and build as I go. Slow progress, but progress. November? It would take a lot longer than that. I can't treat this game like a second job so my progress would be slow in the best of circumstances. Again I get stuck with a limit roster that I'll be stuck playing everything with due to scaling. (another joy of the system) while characters I actually want to play sit neglected. Even if I did put it all together by november, that is still a half a year of going nowhere. Where is the fun of that again? So you have the means to play, but choose not to? Add to that, you don't want to play, but are mad you don't get the rewards? Yeah, I'm done discussing this with you, because you just want to be mad about something.
Fightmastermpq said: If you spent half as much time playing the game as you spend raging about it on the forums you might actually make some progress."I don't play because I'm going no where."No. You are going nowhere because you don't play.
SuperRecoome said: "I think you're underestimating how long a 4* character will stay available in tokens. Cloak & Dagger will get added to the tokens tomorrow. At the current release rate (two 4*s every 6 weeks) they'll be in there for 36 weeks, plus or minus a little depending on when the season ends and how many characters are being rotated. (That's sometime around the beginning of January next year)How many LTs and CP do you earn in a week? Below a certain amount you were pretty much locked out of the 4* transition anyways. What's your highest covered 4*? "Since Vaulting happened I've earned 8 LTs and about 100cp. My highest covered is starlord who is missing I think 2 covers to be maxed so I could put him as a bonus hero and try to max him but he's 5/5/2 so that's 5% chance to get a cover, then after that another 33% chance for it to be the cover I need even after that ,my next highest still needs like 5 covers to max. I have almost all of the 4 stars roster'd minus most of the ones currently in the packs.