New Store - Heroes for Hire (4/11/17)

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  • Philly484
    Philly484 Posts: 173 Tile Toppler
    bluewolf said:
    El Satanno said:
    Since the very first sale with Danny Rand featured, I've had the 3600HP version but without the supplemental 3* covers. 3600 for a single 4* cover and what amounts to about 12k Iso surely is not close to worth it. I bought that first one because of the extra goodies but without them? Not even a consideration.
    That was, I believe, intended as an introductory offer.  Not to be standard, unfortunately.

    My new theory (other than complete randomness):  if you are a spender, you get 3600 price.  If not, 2500.  By spender, I mean any $.  My offer is 3600.  I am VIP (yes, still) and occasional Logan's Loonies buyer (last one was during the PQ anniversary sale).  I would be curious if anyone who hasn't spent $ in a couple months has 3600 offer.
    I don't think this is accurate, as if you consider yourself a spender and only buy loonies and you get the 2500 price point, then with that logic the players who drop Hundreds in a month should be paying something like 1000. I am at the 2500 price point and I am in a buy every week.
  • BoyWonder1914
    BoyWonder1914 Posts: 884 Critical Contributor
    If they're going to keep this up, I've decided it's a better option for dumping my HP than 10 packs of vaults that have people I want. It's still not better in terms of efficiency than the weekly character vaults that gave you 5 pulls for 1000 IMO, but as someone who's blown 2800 daily before trying to get something I wanted out of an event vault, I see the value. Assuming I don't get the cover I want on the first 10-pack attempt, I'm paying at least 5600 overall in my attempts, 2000 more HP than these new deals that are guaranteed to come around in a cycle because of DDQ. 
  • Tarheelmax
    Tarheelmax Posts: 190 Tile Toppler
    bluewolf said:
    El Satanno said:
    Since the very first sale with Danny Rand featured, I've had the 3600HP version but without the supplemental 3* covers. 3600 for a single 4* cover and what amounts to about 12k Iso surely is not close to worth it. I bought that first one because of the extra goodies but without them? Not even a consideration.
    That was, I believe, intended as an introductory offer.  Not to be standard, unfortunately.

    My new theory (other than complete randomness):  if you are a spender, you get 3600 price.  If not, 2500.  By spender, I mean any $.  My offer is 3600.  I am VIP (yes, still) and occasional Logan's Loonies buyer (last one was during the PQ anniversary sale).  I would be curious if anyone who hasn't spent $ in a couple months has 3600 offer.
    Nope - I have never spent and have the 3600 offer. I think it's just completely random A/B testing.
  • killerkoala
    killerkoala Posts: 1,185 Chairperson of the Boards
    they need to move that button or an option to turn it off, cause 3600hp for 4* cover 10k iso, 3CP, and most likely 8 (2*) is annoying to see.
  • keitterman
    keitterman Posts: 127 Tile Toppler
    I like how it's a custom store for you, but most of the covers they try and sell me are ones I have 5 of, and the character isn't championed. (so, unusable)
  • abominatrix
    abominatrix Posts: 221 Tile Toppler
    I guess I still don't understand the hate for this, but then that's probably where I am in the game:
    1. I focus primarily on PVE
    2. My PVP experience is mostly targeting 575. I don't need shields to get there, and I don't have the time or patience to reliably shoot higher.
    3. I'm into the 4* transition with 10 champs including some of the top 15 (4clops, 4hor, IMHB), but woefully short on others that are vaulted (Bobby and Nova at 8 covers, Peggy and Quake at 7); my path forward is with the new toons (I'll be champing Carol soon and we'll see after that)
    So, I have no real need for HP for now other than on occasional roster spots; I get much more HP than I need for that. So, my choices are to spend 100-200 per pull from various stores (not fantastic), 2800 for 10 pulls for a 1/8 chance at a 4* that I may or may not need, or I can wait for the right cover to pop up in the HFH store and spend 3600 on it. Would I prefer to pay 2500 for it? Sure, but that's not the offer I get. The alternative is to either spend HP less efficiently, not spend it at all. I suppose the argument can be made to not spend until the next plan from the devs comes together, but if that yellow Starlord pops up before my Gamora gets to 223 I'll probably grab it, since I'll probably have to spend 120 HP to keep Carol blacks from dying on the vine.

  • bbigler
    bbigler Posts: 2,111 Chairperson of the Boards
    mexus said:
    I appreciate this, having the possibility to pin-point a needed cover is sweetness but it's too costly. An active player brings somewhere around 1000HP in each week and those who haven't played the game since forever need the roster slots, which is what each and every HP is spent on.

    3600HP takes several weeks to hoard up and the offers are very time-limited so I see this as a "pay to gain" feature only.
    I would pay, warm cash, for a 4* cover but not the amount that it takes to reach 3600HP, not even close to.
    I would, however, glady pay an agency expense (6 bucks, isn't it?) every now and then for a 4* cover of my choice.

    I'm not against this store! I like it, but at this state it's too costly for me to enter. Hoping for a re-draw of the financial blueprint regarding this.
    I'm an active player (but not die hard) and can bring in about 2500 HP a week, so every 10 days I could buy a 3600 vault.  I like this option, but I do admit that it's expensive and it seems unfair that some people have the 2500 deal, but mine is 3600.  I would rather have fewer rewards at a lower price to get the 4* cover I wanted. 

    Why not just skip the extras of elite tokens, iso and cp, and give us a 4* cover for 1500 HP?    
  • Quebbster
    Quebbster Posts: 8,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    @keitterman- so far the offered covers have been the first color of the character. They might offer the second color next cycle and then the third color.
  • astrp3
    astrp3 Posts: 367 Mover and Shaker
    edited April 2017
    GurlBYE said:
    You can earn 1000 HP in a little bit less time than 120CP if saving. (and this is you not placing high enough in most events subs to earn HP and mainly consisting of 3 star champ awards with the occasional amount from progression)

    Those numbers will obviously be different depending on your level and how you play. Over the last 35 days, I have averaged 412 HP and 21 CP a day, so in the time it took me to earn 120 CP, I would earn just under 2400 HP, which is close to the 2500 price point. Without placement, I'd guess that I'd get about 300 HP a day and the same amount of CP (though placing in top 50 in PvE doesn't require much effort) for a figure of around 1700 HP/120 CP. I am also in an alliance whose members spend a lot, so I get a good deal of chinchilla poop that way. OTOH, I've heard at least one vet say they earned 40 CP a day.

    OTOOH (where's that one-armed economist HT talked about?), I agree that the 2500 price point is too high, other than the occasional purchase for a few specific covers. Somewhere in the 1000-1600 range is where the offer would start being enticing enough to me that I would buy it regularly (though I think 1000 HP might be a bit too low from a business perspective).

  • keitterman
    keitterman Posts: 127 Tile Toppler
    Quebbster said:
    @keitterman- so far the offered covers have been the first color of the character. They might offer the second color next cycle and then the third color.
    It just seems odd that when everyone was complaining about the different prices, forum admins directed them to an article that said they customized the stores. If htey are so custom, why offer people a cover they can't use?
     
  • bbigler
    bbigler Posts: 2,111 Chairperson of the Boards
    abominatrix said:
    I guess I still don't understand the hate for this, but then that's probably where I am in the game:
    1. I focus primarily on PVE
    2. My PVP experience is mostly targeting 575. I don't need shields to get there, and I don't have the time or patience to reliably shoot higher.
    3. I'm into the 4* transition with 10 champs including some of the top 15 (4clops, 4hor, IMHB), but woefully short on others that are vaulted (Bobby and Nova at 8 covers, Peggy and Quake at 7); my path forward is with the new toons (I'll be champing Carol soon and we'll see after that)
    So, I have no real need for HP for now other than on occasional roster spots; I get much more HP than I need for that. So, my choices are to spend 100-200 per pull from various stores (not fantastic), 2800 for 10 pulls for a 1/8 chance at a 4* that I may or may not need, or I can wait for the right cover to pop up in the HFH store and spend 3600 on it. Would I prefer to pay 2500 for it? Sure, but that's not the offer I get. The alternative is to either spend HP less efficiently, not spend it at all. I suppose the argument can be made to not spend until the next plan from the devs comes together, but if that yellow Starlord pops up before my Gamora gets to 223 I'll probably grab it, since I'll probably have to spend 120 HP to keep Carol blacks from dying on the vine.

    I'm in the same situation as you, play at a similar level and also try to be optimistic and work with what I got.  I also have 10 x 4* Champs, with 4 in the top 10.  I don't hate the HFH store and I would spend 3600 if the right cover comes along.  I do wish mine was only 2500 though.  I make way more HP than I need for roster slots, so I can spend when necessary. 

    I think it's pretty obvious that the HFH store is a trial run, so don't make any long term plans with it. 
  • Quebbster
    Quebbster Posts: 8,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    keitterman said:
    Quebbster said:
    @keitterman- so far the offered covers have been the first color of the character. They might offer the second color next cycle and then the third color.
    It just seems odd that when everyone was complaining about the different prices, forum admins directed them to an article that said they customized the stores. If htey are so custom, why offer people a cover they can't use?
     

    The price was customized, not the content. Everyone gets the same color covers in the offers.
  • Qubort
    Qubort Posts: 203 Tile Toppler
    bluewolf said:
    El Satanno said:
    Since the very first sale with Danny Rand featured, I've had the 3600HP version but without the supplemental 3* covers. 3600 for a single 4* cover and what amounts to about 12k Iso surely is not close to worth it. I bought that first one because of the extra goodies but without them? Not even a consideration.
    That was, I believe, intended as an introductory offer.  Not to be standard, unfortunately.

    My new theory (other than complete randomness):  if you are a spender, you get 3600 price.  If not, 2500.  By spender, I mean any $.  My offer is 3600.  I am VIP (yes, still) and occasional Logan's Loonies buyer (last one was during the PQ anniversary sale).  I would be curious if anyone who hasn't spent $ in a couple months has 3600 offer.

    I had alliance mates that spend a lot compared to me. I have the never ending 3600 offer and they have 2500. Seems completely random.
  • Qubort
    Qubort Posts: 203 Tile Toppler
    abominatrix said:
    I can wait for the right cover to pop up in the HFH store and spend 3600 on it. Would I prefer to pay 2500 for it? Sure, but that's not the offer I get.

    Sorry if I don't share your indifference. If someone else is paying 2500, it's bologna that I'd pay 3600. I don't care about the exciting extra elite tokens.   
  • JVReal
    JVReal Posts: 1,884 Chairperson of the Boards
    Qubort said:
    abominatrix said:
    I can wait for the right cover to pop up in the HFH store and spend 3600 on it. Would I prefer to pay 2500 for it? Sure, but that's not the offer I get.

    Sorry if I don't share your indifference. If someone else is paying 2500, it's bologna that I'd pay 3600. I don't care about the exciting extra elite tokens.   
    If I bought a PS4 at Best Buy and found out that the same system was at Walmart for $100 less, I'd go buy the Walmart one and return the Best Buy one.  It just makes sense.  If I knew the price difference ahead of time and still chose to go to Best Buy and buy it for $100 more... that's on me and not fiscally responsible.

    If Best Buy had a store outside of the mall and was selling it for $100 more than the Best Buy store inside of the mall, I would complain to them about their business practices, buy the cheaper one, and never trust them again, price checking between stores before every purchase.  That trust is crucial for me.
  • Jaedenkaal
    Jaedenkaal Posts: 3,357 Chairperson of the Boards
    JVReal said:
    If I bought a PS4 at Best Buy and found out that the same system was at Walmart for $100 less, I'd go buy the Walmart one and return the Best Buy one.  It just makes sense.  If I knew the price difference ahead of time and still chose to go to Best Buy and buy it for $100 more... that's on me and not fiscally responsible.

    If Best Buy had a store outside of the mall and was selling it for $100 more than the Best Buy store inside of the mall, I would complain to them about their business practices, buy the cheaper one, and never trust them again, price checking between stores before every purchase.  That trust is crucial for me.

    In this analogy you'd also be getting an extra game and a small but non-negligible amount of online content currency (is that a thing with Sony? I have no idea), so the "value" of the console package you bought would be higher than the one inside/at Walmart. Whether or not you are going to play the included game or use the online content is another matter altogether.
  • keitterman
    keitterman Posts: 127 Tile Toppler
    edited April 2017
    Jaedenkaal said:
    JVReal said:
    If I bought a PS4 at Best Buy and found out that the same system was at Walmart for $100 less, I'd go buy the Walmart one and return the Best Buy one.  It just makes sense.  If I knew the price difference ahead of time and still chose to go to Best Buy and buy it for $100 more... that's on me and not fiscally responsible.

    If Best Buy had a store outside of the mall and was selling it for $100 more than the Best Buy store inside of the mall, I would complain to them about their business practices, buy the cheaper one, and never trust them again, price checking between stores before every purchase.  That trust is crucial for me.

    In this analogy you'd also be getting an extra game and a small but non-negligible amount of online content currency (is that a thing with Sony? I have no idea), so the "value" of the console package you bought would be higher than the one inside/at Walmart. Whether or not you are going to play the included game or use the online content is another matter altogether.
    an extra game you don't want, and the option to buy the system without the unwanted game is not available to you. It is to others, not to you.
  • Landale
    Landale Posts: 157 Tile Toppler
    edited April 2017
    Day 316 player, VIP, SR 74, with ~4300hp banked, and also unfortunately one of the players with the 3600hp offer.  I'm no whale, but I've spent a decent chunk of change to get enough HP for roster slots.

    I strongly considered buying the Bl4de cover, which would put him at 13 for me, but I think I'll pass.  After coming to the forums, and seeing that there was an offer for 2500hp, it kinda makes me want to wait to see how this will all play out.  

    3600 is a ton of HP for me, and I don't feel I would be getting my HP worth from that offer.  However, if I were to have gotten the 2500hp offer, I would probably have bought Blade's cover without thinking twice.  I can reliably get 2500hp in a relatively short time frame (~100-200/day).

    HFH would only be useful to me for filling out 4* characters that were almost done (at ~11 or 12 covers), or for getting the first cover of a 4* that I missed.

    As others have mentioned, I think they should have offered both prices to everyone, and just let people pick which one they wanted.  

  • kyo28
    kyo28 Posts: 161 Tile Toppler
    Landale said:
    As others have mentioned, I think they should have offered both prices to everyone, and just let people pick which one they wanted.  


    Yeah, then everyone would go with 2.500 HP. I mean, why pay 3.600 if you can get the same for 2.500?

    More interesting would have been if they had made 2 different offers for 2 different prices, available to all players. For example:

    2.500 HP for a 4* cover  + 4 x Elite cover + 4.000 ISO + 1 CP
    3.600 HP for a 4* cover + 4 x 3* covers + 5.000 ISO + 3 CP

    Then they can see what catches on most and build from there. Are people prepared to spend more HP to get that extra content or not? But the way they did it now, offering the exact same thing to different players at different prices, that's just so very, very disrespectful. I pity the players that never come to the forums and don't have a clue they are being duped.

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