New Feature: Bonus Heroes! *Updated (3/1/17)

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  • dr tinykittylove
    dr tinykittylove Posts: 1,459 Chairperson of the Boards
    nick_chicane wrote:
    I'm drawing so many more 5* characters since this change, which of course to a lot of you veterans, would be a great thing. However, I dont want them. I dont want my game ruined by 5* scaling so this change is becoming more and more annoying for me.

    As long as you have champed 3*s or better and don't put any iso in the 5*, you'll be fine. I get plenty of entertainment using the 255 5*s in ddq or whatever.
  • CNash
    CNash Posts: 952 Critical Contributor
    edited March 2017
    So one week on, how have we found the Bonus Heroes / vaulting?

    From my perspective, in summary: it's turned me into a token hoarder. This doesn't feel quite as fun any more.

    Since the debut of the new features on 03/01, I played the game as I normally would: opening every token as it came to me and spending 20 CP on a Classic Legend as soon as I'd saved it up. For reference, I had 38 / 47 4*s rostered, three of which have 13 covers and are championed. The rest all need covers. In terms of the "golden 12", I have only 6 - a straight 50%.

    What this got me was two massive problems: I pulled Medusa and Captain Marvel, neither of which I've rostered, meaning I'm now at a 2000 HP defecit. (This grew to 3000 HP due to Agent Coulson's event, but that's not relevant to this discussion.) "Silly, why not wait until you had the HP available before pulling anything?", you might ask. Well, until vaulting happened, I didn't feel that I had to. After all, roughly 80% of my 4* pulls would be something I could use. The 20% that I couldn't, I could build up the HP for over 14 days, as it was usually just a single new cover. But two, even three new covers starts to outstrip my capacity to build up HP.

    Thus, I've become a token hoarder. My 4* progress has slowed to a crawl as I'm now reliant on PVE progression rewards. As long as the proportion of characters in LTs I haven't rostered is more than around 25%, I simply can't afford to open them regularly.

    A secondary problem (though I'm unsure how much vaulting has contributed to it): I've got two Kamala covers in my queue, slowly withering away. This is because she's at 182, and her next cover will give me a blue Thor. My Thor, however, is at 4/2/5. I've had Thor as my only "favourite" ever since this situation occurred, but I have yet to pull her as a bonus hero. Though, out of two total LT pulls this probably isn't surprising. Since I now can't open LTs regularly, I don't see how I'm going to get these two Thor covers I'm missing.
  • Vhailorx
    Vhailorx Posts: 6,085 Chairperson of the Boards
    CNash wrote:

    A secondary problem (though I'm unsure how much vaulting has contributed to it): I've got two Kamala covers in my queue, slowly withering away. This is because she's at 182, and her next cover will give me a blue Thor. My Thor, however, is at 4/2/5. I've had Thor as my only "favourite" ever since this situation occurred, but I have yet to pull her as a bonus hero. Though, out of two total LT pulls this probably isn't surprising. Since I now can't open LTs regularly, I don't see how I'm going to get these two Thor covers I'm missing.

    You can get at least one of those Thor covers (yellow) in combined arms (assuming you can get to 900). doesn't entirely solve your problem, but it would be a start.

    As for the net effect of the changes, you summarize many of the problems quite well.
  • Crowl
    Crowl Posts: 1,581 Chairperson of the Boards
    My normal routine was to keep using LT tokens and CP until I get one on a character I have max-covered and need to champion, so this hasn't changed greatly in theory, except that it cropped up far faster than under the old system as the possible rewards have been so condensed.

    As far as other tokens, I tend to get 4*s from them so rarely that I open them as I get them.
  • Xzasxz
    Xzasxz Posts: 124 Tile Toppler
    whycantwesyncpc wrote:
    "We are discussing it" sounds better then "We are going to ignore you until everyone complaining either gives up complaining or leaves".
    Yet the meaning is the same, I suppose. Yet we have to remember, that it doesn't matter, what 90%+ of playerbase want. The matter is whether big spenders like the change or not. Money talks.
  • Crowl
    Crowl Posts: 1,581 Chairperson of the Boards
    Xzasxz wrote:
    whycantwesyncpc wrote:
    "We are discussing it" sounds better then "We are going to ignore you until everyone complaining either gives up complaining or leaves".
    Yet the meaning is the same, I suppose. Yet we have to remember, that it doesn't matter, what 90%+ of playerbase want. The matter is whether big spenders like the change or not. Money talks.

    There are numerous solutions that suit both groups of players though, the simplest being to have two versions of both the classic and legends LTs for people to choose the one that suits them best, one with just the latest 12 and one with the full roster of them.
  • Magic
    Magic Posts: 1,199 Chairperson of the Boards
    One thing I am curious about is the whales feedback. I haven't seen a comment from a known whale (eg. You Know Who) on this subject (or I didn't know they are whales). It kind of fuels my conspiracy wheels as it sounds more and more this was consulted with the big spenders. Or demanded by big spenders. Who know? Surely not us as we don't get any feedback.
  • kyo28
    kyo28 Posts: 161 Tile Toppler
    Magic wrote:
    One thing I am curious about is the whales feedback. I haven't seen a comment from a known whale (eg. You Know Who) on this subject (or I didn't know they are whales). It kind of fuels my conspiracy wheels as it sounds more and more this was consulted with the big spenders. Or demanded by big spenders. Who know? Surely not us as we don't get any feedback.
    Of course not. It's a well-known-supposed-to-be-secret fact that the biggest whales have a direct line to the devs. No need to post on forum, they just put them on conference call.
    This is not speculation, this is fact coming directly from one of said whales. And this fact alone shows how much more weight the opinion of big whales carries compared to us small grunts.
  • Vhailorx
    Vhailorx Posts: 6,085 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited March 2017
    Magic wrote:
    One thing I am curious about is the whales feedback. I haven't seen a comment from a known whale (eg. You Know Who) on this subject (or I didn't know they are whales). It kind of fuels my conspiracy wheels as it sounds more and more this was consulted with the big spenders. Or demanded by big spenders. Who know? Surely not us as we don't get any feedback.

    Not scientific, but many of forumites posting in support of these changes are on the very strong end of the whale/vet/roster strength spectrum.

    And that largely makes sense. The big whales have multiple 5*s champed, and most of their 4*s champs are very well developed, 350+. Adding a 5% chance of trageted covers is great for everyone. And focusing LT pulls on newer 4*s at the cost of older 4*s doesn't really cause any problems if your old 4*s at or near 370 (and if you often finish top 10/5 in pve/pvp events and don't depend on LT pulls as much to build older 4*). No wonder they are mostly happy about the change. They liked vaulting more than most players the first time too.
  • IlDuderino
    IlDuderino Posts: 427 Mover and Shaker
    After week to digest this my reaction is

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  • Freelancer
    Freelancer Posts: 122 Tile Toppler
    Was there ever any reason why the Bonus Heroes scheme wasn't applied to 2* characters as well?

    A 5% chance of an extra 2* would go well towards helping counter the current abysmal 2* PvP drop rate.
  • DFiPL
    DFiPL Posts: 2,405 Chairperson of the Boards
    Freelancer wrote:
    Was there ever any reason why the Bonus Heroes scheme wasn't applied to 2* characters as well?

    A 5% chance of an extra 2* would go well towards helping counter the current abysmal 2* PvP drop rate.

    Imagine if the only BH you ever got from a Heroic were 2*. That...would not be happymaking.
  • killerkoala
    killerkoala Posts: 1,185 Chairperson of the Boards
    Freelancer wrote:
    Was there ever any reason why the Bonus Heroes scheme wasn't applied to 2* characters as well?

    A 5% chance of an extra 2* would go well towards helping counter the current abysmal 2* PvP drop rate.



    imagine all ur bonus only being 2* and no 3*/4*.
  • smkspy
    smkspy Posts: 2,024 Chairperson of the Boards
    Should just allow 2 stars to allow the ability to trigger a bonus hero draw, would help the sting of getting 2s and make the bonus hero effect more felt.
  • Crowl
    Crowl Posts: 1,581 Chairperson of the Boards
    killerkoala wrote:
    Freelancer wrote:
    Was there ever any reason why the Bonus Heroes scheme wasn't applied to 2* characters as well?

    A 5% chance of an extra 2* would go well towards helping counter the current abysmal 2* PvP drop rate.



    imagine all ur bonus only being 2* and no 3*/4*.

    That would still be a step up from not getting any bonus heroes though and would ease the horrible run of nothing but 2* from heroics that I am on right now.
  • JHawkInc
    JHawkInc Posts: 2,605 Chairperson of the Boards
    killerkoala wrote:
    Freelancer wrote:
    Was there ever any reason why the Bonus Heroes scheme wasn't applied to 2* characters as well?

    A 5% chance of an extra 2* would go well towards helping counter the current abysmal 2* PvP drop rate.



    imagine all ur bonus only being 2* and no 3*/4*.

    It's a random chance, not an either/or thing. Having bonus 2*s doesn't deny bonus 3*s or 4*s. It means that all those times you get a 2* (and aren't eligible for a bonus 3*/4* in the first place), you might still get a bonus 2* to make getting a 2* in the first place less boring.
  • Raffoon
    Raffoon Posts: 884
    Left the game for a year. Decided to check the forums. Looks like The devs are still implementing features that everyone hates with little to no notice and little explanation, then saying they'll listen to feedback and walking away. Glad to see nothing's changed!
  • ClydeFrog76
    ClydeFrog76 Posts: 1,350 Chairperson of the Boards
    kyo28 wrote:
    Magic wrote:
    One thing I am curious about is the whales feedback. I haven't seen a comment from a known whale (eg. You Know Who) on this subject (or I didn't know they are whales). It kind of fuels my conspiracy wheels as it sounds more and more this was consulted with the big spenders. Or demanded by big spenders. Who know? Surely not us as we don't get any feedback.
    Of course not. It's a well-known-supposed-to-be-secret fact that the biggest whales have a direct line to the devs. No need to post on forum, they just put them on conference call.
    This is not speculation, this is fact coming directly from one of said whales. And this fact alone shows how much more weight the opinion of big whales carries compared to us small grunts.

    Seriously?
  • Vhailorx
    Vhailorx Posts: 6,085 Chairperson of the Boards
    Was the vaulting decision with 4*s was probably prompted by the playerbase's recent shift to focusing on latest LTs to enter the 5* tier as vlassic dilition really took hold?

    If so, there is an obvious problem with the analogy: 5*s stil take a very long time to build, but with just 12 in the tokens it will be a real race to keep the latest 4*s champed as quickly as possible.
  • JHawkInc
    JHawkInc Posts: 2,605 Chairperson of the Boards
    ClydeFrog76 wrote:
    kyo28 wrote:
    Magic wrote:
    One thing I am curious about is the whales feedback. I haven't seen a comment from a known whale (eg. You Know Who) on this subject (or I didn't know they are whales). It kind of fuels my conspiracy wheels as it sounds more and more this was consulted with the big spenders. Or demanded by big spenders. Who know? Surely not us as we don't get any feedback.
    Of course not. It's a well-known-supposed-to-be-secret fact that the biggest whales have a direct line to the devs. No need to post on forum, they just put them on conference call.
    This is not speculation, this is fact coming directly from one of said whales. And this fact alone shows how much more weight the opinion of big whales carries compared to us small grunts.

    Seriously?

    Definitely. I got a nasty PM from a whale when Strange came out, because there was some confusion about the release, and I said people shouldn't make assumptions on unannounced and unreleased info, since it could change prior to release. I was basically told that they had a direct line to the dev team and thus knew better and it didn't count as an assumption.

    Whales may fund the game and keep it going for the rest of us, but they very clearly have their fingers in the pie and are capable of stinking it up for the rest of us, too. (not saying it DOES happen, I'm just saying they're connected enough that it COULD)

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