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kalex716

davecazz wrote:

That would screw up the progression model for the game. 3* covers are supposed to be hard to reach until you can build a team that can compete for them. I have no issue with required characters as long as it's possible to get them. if you just have a 1* or low 2* team then you need to bust your butt in order to compete. It only takes a few weeks of playing until you can get there. Sure you might miss that character this time around but make it so you dont miss out on the next new character.

But the length of time it takes to get a 3* roster fully operational is growing longer every day. Each new character that enters into the 3* pool means you now are statistically spreading out more covers at semi-random across a deeper pool, meaning the time it takes to max any one of those expands greatly. A 1* team can easily start accumulating 3*'s with ease, but gone are the days that in only a few weeks you can end up with a maxed 3* team, outliers (the few exceptional members of the forums, and lucky people who run super hot) not withstanding.

It's still definitely fine now, but eventually their will be a tipping point where its out of control and the only people able to realistically max a 3* is by directly paying cash for it. You might gather 2-6 covers max while a character is in its "hey day", but after that the math and regularity that we rip covers each week will make it really really unlikely to see any more of them again.

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daveomite wrote:

What exactly are you considering a low 2* team? I'm curious and want to understand. As I explained earlier in the tread, I have 2 85lvl 2*'s, Thor and OBW, and numerous other 2*'s in the 65-70 range, plus two 3*'s (psy and punisher) in the 70-90 range and mThor at 51. I have hulk, GSW, Spidey, Patch and others, but hardly have gotten any covers so can't level them much. Have BP around level 60 or so. So, my 2* team, and how I used my team is what allowed me the opportunities to get Psy, Punisher, mThor, etc.

I've only been playing less than 50 days mind you. So yes, I have busted my butt and placed decently in most all PVE's so far, top 50 or 100 in most and in first in my bracket on Brotherhood ISO on the main and most daily subs, which is the PVE I got both Psy and Punisher. On the SRcap event, I still played daily, but couldn't as much as I usually can - and that, on top of scaling through the roof that I was running into, there was only so much I could do. I still managed to be top 150 on most of the dailies for that, but I think not high enough in the main bracket for SRcap. Currently at 21,600 approx in the current PVE even without said SRcap mandated nodes.

It may very well "screw up the progression model" for someone like you and your top placing alliance, but not so much for me as I started just before the new Alliance push, but after most of the newer characters started getting released. So ,though I've been lucky with some pulls here and there - given the amount of characters, and the constant quick switching of PVE to win a new character, then an immediate PVE directly after it mandating use of that new character - it can make it rather difficult. Now, if they had "loaner" SRcap available for those nodes requiring him, even in just a minimum level one, at least they could be played and the points won.

I'm certainly not asking for any handouts, I'm fine fighting as much as or more than others. I play daily, every day, hours a day. Even if I had to pay actual HP to get SRcap, I would rather have him than not during a PVE like this.

I really didn't mean any offense. I am on my 77th day right now. and I know that it can be really frustrating to try and get into that 3* reward tier but you will be able to make it. I didn't actually see your post about your levels, an 85 thor and OBW is pretty good but you probably need to get that third hero to help boost you to the next level. I'm sure you are already doing this but you have to craft your strategy and figure out the optimal way of placing. One thing I do is choose my starting time in order to avoid the really competitive players. I am on PST time and I usually try to join morning or early afternoon. I never join an event right away, you will be up against the toughest opponents, especially for a PvE event. Especially with PvE, your success isnt so much based on the strength of your team but the timing of how you grind. even if you dont have the special character you can place decently if you get the timing part down. When it comes to PvP, you have to develop good shield skills and even though that can cost money there are players that manage to do it for free.

kalex716 wrote:

But the length of time it takes to get a 3* roster fully operational is growing longer every day. Each new character that enters into the 3* pool means you now are statistically spreading out more covers at semi-random across a deeper pool, meaning the time it takes to max any one of those expands greatly. A 1* team can easily start accumulating 3*'s with ease, but gone are the days that in only a few weeks you can end up with a maxed 3* team, outliers (the few exceptional members of the forums, and lucky people who run super hot) not withstanding.

It's still definitely fine now, but eventually their will be a tipping point where its out of control and the only people able to realistically max a 3* is by directly paying cash for it. You might gather 2-6 covers max while a character is in its "hey day", but after that the math and regularity that we rip covers each week will make it really really unlikely to see any more of them again.

I am running into this a bit too, I was able to get my psylocke skill complete thanks to being around for all her events, I was able to get punisher skill complete due to luck. but I still dont have all the skills for many of the staple characters like hulk, spidey and OBW. I'm actually glad they are offering hulk, patch wolverine and now GSBW for prizes.

daveomite

davecazz wrote:

I really didn't mean any offense. I am on my 77th day right now. and I know that it can be really frustrating to try and get into that 3* reward tier but you will be able to make it. I didn't actually see your post about your levels, an 85 thor and OBW is pretty good but you probably need to get that third hero to help boost you to the next level. I'm sure you are already doing this but you have to craft your strategy and figure out the optimal way of placing. One thing I do is choose my starting time in order to avoid the really competitive players. I am on PST time and I usually try to join morning or early afternoon. I never join an event right away, you will be up against the toughest opponents, especially for a PvE event. Especially with PvE, your success isnt so much based on the strength of your team but the timing of how you grind. even if you dont have the special character you can place decently if you get the timing part down. When it comes to PvP, you have to develop good shield skills and even though that can cost money there are players that manage to do it for free.

No offence taken - I still consider myself to be pretty new - and I assume I'm probably considered a low to mid 2*-3* transition right now, but may not be.

OBW - 85 - 3/5/5 (sitting on 2 purple covers right now, considering a respec to 5/5/3 or 5/3/5... but happy with her now honestly)
Thor - 85 - 5/3/5
Psy - 80 2/4/5 (still pumping ISO into her... and yes, I know that must sound ... completely wrong)...
Punisher - 69 - 2/3/3 (also getting some ISO).
Ares - 61 - 3/2/5
cStorm - 56 - 5/5/3
MagMN - 55 - 4/4/5
Wolvie - 53 - 5/5/3
mThor - 51 - 0/3/2
xforceWolvie - 46 - 0/2/1

A total of 29 characters. Also with 2/1/1 BP, 0/1/2 Spidey, 1/0/4 DD, 3/5/5 Cap, 1/1/1 Hood, and stuck at one cover each for GBW (green), Hulk (green) and Patch (yellow). All of these, except cap - leveled as high as I can get them without more covers. Meaning, pretty much useless unless buffed or I get more covers.

I can still level ones like cStorm, Ares, MagMN and Wolvie - but have decided to focus whatever ISO on Psy and Punisher right now for the most part. And 4* xforceWolvie can still be leveled slightly as well. mThor and BP both stuck until more covers. I may wind up just buying at least a few covers to get any one or more of them moving again soon.

But I'm definitely in that place of trying to decide what's the best use of ISO at the moment in order to maximize effectiveness. So, I'm getting there... or at least, trying like hell, lol

EDIT: Oh, and I'm EST. I've made the mistake of starting several PVE's right at the beginning, but have tried slacking off of that more and more as I go.

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daveomite wrote:

davecazz wrote:

I really didn't mean any offense. I am on my 77th day right now. and I know that it can be really frustrating to try and get into that 3* reward tier but you will be able to make it. I didn't actually see your post about your levels, an 85 thor and OBW is pretty good but you probably need to get that third hero to help boost you to the next level. I'm sure you are already doing this but you have to craft your strategy and figure out the optimal way of placing. One thing I do is choose my starting time in order to avoid the really competitive players. I am on PST time and I usually try to join morning or early afternoon. I never join an event right away, you will be up against the toughest opponents, especially for a PvE event. Especially with PvE, your success isnt so much based on the strength of your team but the timing of how you grind. even if you dont have the special character you can place decently if you get the timing part down. When it comes to PvP, you have to develop good shield skills and even though that can cost money there are players that manage to do it for free.

No offence taken - I still consider myself to be pretty new - and I assume I'm probably considered a low to mid 2*-3* transition right now, but may not be.

OBW - 85 - 3/5/5 (sitting on 2 purple covers right now, considering a respec to 5/5/3 or 5/3/5... but happy with her now honestly)
Thor - 85 - 5/3/5
Psy - 80 2/4/5 (still pumping ISO into her... and yes, I know that must sound ... completely wrong)...
Punisher - 69 - 2/3/3 (also getting some ISO).
Ares - 61 - 3/2/5
cStorm - 56 - 5/5/3
MagMN - 55 - 4/4/5
Wolvie - 53 - 5/5/3
mThor - 51 - 0/3/2
xforceWolvie - 46 - 0/2/1

A total of 29 characters. Also with 2/1/1 BP, 0/1/2 Spidey, 1/0/4 DD, 3/5/5 Cap, 1/1/1 Hood, and stuck at one cover each for GBW (green), Hulk (green) and Patch (yellow). All of these, except cap - leveled as high as I can get them without more covers. Meaning, pretty much useless unless buffed or I get more covers.

I can still level ones like cStorm, Ares, MagMN and Wolvie - but have decided to focus whatever ISO on Psy and Punisher right now for the most part. And 4* xforceWolvie can still be leveled slightly as well. mThor and BP both stuck until more covers. I may wind up just buying at least a few covers to get any one or more of them moving again soon.

But I'm definitely in that place of trying to decide what's the best use of ISO at the moment in order to maximize effectiveness. So, I'm getting there... or at least, trying like hell, lol

EDIT: Oh, and I'm EST. I've made the mistake of starting several PVE's right at the beginning, but have tried slacking off of that more and more as I go.

I would go for c storm until you get all you punisher or psylocke covers. 3* heroes are weaker than 2* heroes at the same level. If their skills are not complete it's even worse. C storm was my go to girl for a while, she is awesome defensively because of her raging tempest. Plus with obw, do you opponents go after storm or obw? If they go after storm then obw will steal ap or heal, if the go after obw, then storm will make them pay dearly off every big hit.

I think you are skipping a step and that's why you are experiencing pain. You really need that top 2* team in order to get your 3* covers and get them to 90-95 where they will start being effective

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daveomite wrote:

davecazz wrote:

I really didn't mean any offense. I am on my 77th day right now. and I know that it can be really frustrating to try and get into that 3* reward tier but you will be able to make it. I didn't actually see your post about your levels, an 85 thor and OBW is pretty good but you probably need to get that third hero to help boost you to the next level. I'm sure you are already doing this but you have to craft your strategy and figure out the optimal way of placing. One thing I do is choose my starting time in order to avoid the really competitive players. I am on PST time and I usually try to join morning or early afternoon. I never join an event right away, you will be up against the toughest opponents, especially for a PvE event. Especially with PvE, your success isnt so much based on the strength of your team but the timing of how you grind. even if you dont have the special character you can place decently if you get the timing part down. When it comes to PvP, you have to develop good shield skills and even though that can cost money there are players that manage to do it for free.

No offence taken - I still consider myself to be pretty new - and I assume I'm probably considered a low to mid 2*-3* transition right now, but may not be.

OBW - 85 - 3/5/5 (sitting on 2 purple covers right now, considering a respec to 5/5/3 or 5/3/5... but happy with her now honestly)
Thor - 85 - 5/3/5
Psy - 80 2/4/5 (still pumping ISO into her... and yes, I know that must sound ... completely wrong)...
Punisher - 69 - 2/3/3 (also getting some ISO).
Ares - 61 - 3/2/5
cStorm - 56 - 5/5/3
MagMN - 55 - 4/4/5
Wolvie - 53 - 5/5/3
mThor - 51 - 0/3/2
xforceWolvie - 46 - 0/2/1

A total of 29 characters. Also with 2/1/1 BP, 0/1/2 Spidey, 1/0/4 DD, 3/5/5 Cap, 1/1/1 Hood, and stuck at one cover each for GBW (green), Hulk (green) and Patch (yellow). All of these, except cap - leveled as high as I can get them without more covers. Meaning, pretty much useless unless buffed or I get more covers.

I can still level ones like cStorm, Ares, MagMN and Wolvie - but have decided to focus whatever ISO on Psy and Punisher right now for the most part. And 4* xforceWolvie can still be leveled slightly as well. mThor and BP both stuck until more covers. I may wind up just buying at least a few covers to get any one or more of them moving again soon.

But I'm definitely in that place of trying to decide what's the best use of ISO at the moment in order to maximize effectiveness. So, I'm getting there... or at least, trying like hell, lol

EDIT: Oh, and I'm EST. I've made the mistake of starting several PVE's right at the beginning, but have tried slacking off of that more and more as I go.

Don't upgrade obw's purple power, you need it to be as cheap as possible. The more expensive it is, the worse she is as a defensive threat.

daveomite

I would go for c storm until you get all you punisher or psylocke covers. 3* heroes are weaker than 2* heroes at the same level. If their skills are not complete it's even worse. C storm was my go to girl for a while, she is awesome defensively because of her raging tempest. Plus with obw, do you opponents go after storm or obw? If they go after storm then obw will steal ap or heal, if the go after obw, then storm will make them pay dearly off every big hit.

I think you are skipping a step and that's why you are experiencing pain. You really need that top 2* team in order to get your 3* covers and get them to 90-95 where they will start being effective

Actually was planning finishing off c Storm and possibly mags since their already pretty close. Just wasn't completely sure obviously. Thanks for the tip. The max I can get psy to right now is 115, punisher will cap at 77. So mainly focused on her more than the other.

But, love c storm and magmn on a team, just now got my 5th purple for mags, so now I finally have him at 3/5/5.

daveomite

davecazz wrote:

Don't upgrade obw's purple power, you need it to be as cheap as possible. The more expensive it is, the worse she is as a defensive threat.

I agree completely. I have been really, really hesitant about it, but held onto those two purple covers the last few days in case there was some strong enough case to respec, which I prefer her to pop off faster, even if less of a steal by one ap.

Besides, selling those two covers gives me 500 iso too, so, not to bad either.

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Duffman85 wrote:

UncleSam wrote:

locked wrote:

Well, or this. I just can't imagine myself acquiring enough HP while being F2P to buy even a 600 HP slot for an alliance (thankfully have a backup account with spare HP). I guess then alliances are a more advanced feature for kewl bananas that we forum goers are?

I had stockpiled over 4000hp before alliances came out as a f2p player. Dropped it all into creating an alliance to get up to about 10-11 slots then had people buy a slot when they joined. So as f2p it is possible. It just takes time. With as many events that run these days finishing top50 in them will net you some good hps in short order.

And we thank you for it!!!

Big +1 on that. I bought the last spot in the alliance and I'm quite glad I did. Probably the best HP expenditure I've made since starting the game (just hit day 34). I'm not F2P, but after the initial investments I made I can't see myself spending a whole lot more (I'm not opposed to it, I just don't think it's necessary at the moment to progress) in the immediate future. But my slot has more than paid for itself in rewards, or will eventually. Beside that though it gave me a reason to be a bit more active in game and care about performances in things since I feel like I'm contributing to a group. Looking forward to in game chat and such.

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davecazz wrote:

Don't upgrade obw's purple power, you need it to be as cheap as possible. The more expensive it is, the worse she is as a defensive threat.

That's a pretty debated point... better read the several fat threads on builds. For sure the most popular build is severely **** all the way for imagined gain on blue -- meanwhile the strongest offensive OBW stays the 5/3/5. As defensive "threat" goes -- it can be safely ignored as long as OBW is on almost every team.

On a purple-loaded board it's really hard to prevent getting robbed but it's not hard to work around, collect a single color leaving the purple, it will be shot on first opportunity and never again, 3 AP transfer is not a big deal. Guess the "threat" legend is rooted from old times people used AP boosts like candy, sure, gifting your boost over IS a problem. Behind the keyboard.

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daveomite wrote:

But, love c storm and magmn on a team, just now got my 5th purple for mags, so now I finally have him at 3/5/5.

just be aware that magsmn is sitting duck on defense and combined with cstorm is likely primary target. If you find it effective for push, remember to play last game with some other team that is not attack-magnet.

daveomite

pasa_ wrote:

daveomite wrote:

But, love c storm and magmn on a team, just now got my 5th purple for mags, so now I finally have him at 3/5/5.

just be aware that magsmn is sitting duck on defense and combined with cstorm is likely primary target. If you find it effective for push, remember to play last game with some other team that is not attack-magnet.

Thanks. I actually run more of thor/obw/ares for tankability, and works well...or swap out ares with punisher/psy/wolvie when needed. When I mainly ran cstorm and magsmn, I had a buffed up psylock with me, so that helped a lot.

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pasa_ wrote:

daveomite wrote:

But, love c storm and magmn on a team, just now got my 5th purple for mags, so now I finally have him at 3/5/5.

just be aware that magsmn is sitting duck on defense and combined with cstorm is likely primary target. If you find it effective for push, remember to play last game with some other team that is not attack-magnet.

My main 2* team was mnmags,cstorm,Thor not really by choice because I didn't have any other decent covers but the did pretty well for me

daveomite

I took a chance a bought one of the 200 hp "shield of justice" and actually got SRcap yellow. At least now I can finally play the nodes I couldn't get into before. Now jumped from 230 approx to 42 in my bracket.

morgh

Talk about offtopic conversation :S

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So what was the alliance score for #101 in TBTI?

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morgh wrote:

Talk about offtopic conversation :S

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Patch is live!

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Not a fan of the new Critical tile. It feels very bejeweled and not enough Marvel. They should have just made it Xavier's head or something

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Guess since I'm tapped out of the events now I'll put that unlimited data plan to work.

Or its not live on Android yet that's cool too.

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IceIX wrote:

- The download size of the application on iOS has been reduced to under 100MB to allow users on cellular networks to download the app. Additional assets will be downloaded in the background while the game is running.

Oh, sweet irony. I'm stuck on 3G until this evening. Sorely tempted to go find a McDonalds or Starbucks or something on my lunch hour so I can get the patch.

Wait, is that a sign of addiction? That sounds like a sign of addiction.

Edit: Apparently, I was trying to download the previous patch for iOS 7.1, which is why I couldn't download it over 3G. Re-accessing the updates in App store gave me the right patch and thus begins the laborious process of downloading it over 3G.