**** Wolverine (X-Force) **** [PRE 2015-04]

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GrumpySmurf1002 wrote:

Mine's at 206:

His Green at level 206 does in the neighborhood of 4200 damage, depending on which tiles he hits. Also massive cascade power.
Wolvie also heals via yellow. It's not as efficient as Patch, but it's enough to keep him alive for a long time.
Biggest issue is 5 black is the game changer. Without the double damage and AP gain, it's still a very good ability, but it's no longer the best ability in the game.

I personally waited to optimally cover him before bringing him up, but there's a whole slew of people out there with 175-200 non-maxed XForce as well who I'm sure don't regret it. Realistically, when you get the 5th black, you're going to level him, so whether it's now or later, that 190k iso will find it's way to him eventually.

Thanks for the quick response. Would you say it is worth spending HP for the last black? I have 4k HP, but 2250 for 1 cover always felt like a waste. I also have a bad history with 3* purchases since I always seem to draw the same cover I buy withing 1-2 weeks.

Quebbster

Narkon wrote:

Thanks for the quick response. Would you say it is worth spending HP for the last black? I have 4k HP, but 2250 for 1 cover always felt like a waste. I also have a bad history with 3* purchases since I always seem to draw the same cover I buy withing 1-2 weeks.

Look at what your X-force can do now, and consider that the fifth black cover both doubles the damage output and generates AP. It's hard to find a better use for 2500 HP.

dr tinykittylove

Narkon wrote:

I have been away since July, playing only on 2-3 events since then when I was bored and had nothing better to do. Thankfully, my XF was 5/4/4 before I stopped playing, but hadn't spend any ISO on him because his abilities changed after I left. Now I have enough ISO (190k) to get him to level 200, but I don't think I will invest more on him because it's too much ISO after 200. Is he worth the ISO at that level? People say he is great, but I just see this based on the stats.

At level 200:
- I assume his black deals 4-5k damage most of the time. (Half with the 4 black covers mine has) - On the plus, he drains (essentially) AP
- his green deals ~1200 more than Patch's green, but Patch also drops strike tiles.
- his health is 8154 which isn't much higher than Patch's (6800), considering Patch heals 435/turn without the need to spend AP.

Seeing this, I am hesitant to throw 190K ISO on him. Can someone who has played him at this level provide any feedback?

He's great fun with 5/4/?. Green is fast damage and cascades, black is lesser damage, but also cascades and ap drain. I had him at 5/4/3 for a long time before using him to shield-hop my way to the last black.

At 4 black covers the damage is not too bad and draining enemy ap can sometimes save your neck. I tended to hold his black until the enemy has nearly enough ap for a skill to get the most use out of it.

Also bringing him up to lvl 200 will scare the pvp horses and you get attacked somewhat less.

Patch has great strike tiles, but you need to use it with caution or end up wrecking your own team. And xforce's green is really good for killing fast without worrying about consequences.

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I'm actually in a 2* -> 3* transition, but getting new covers in PVP is beeing hard ( 320-370 points). I can reach top100 most of the times, top50 If I have a little luck, but there's a big difference with getting 2 (top25) covers instead 1.

Nowadays I've got a 1/1/3 Wolv. (Xforce) (level 115), algo, 5 maxed 2* (obw, thor, daken, ares, human torch), 3/2/2 blade (level 89) and a huge amount of 3* with only 2 or 3 covers. Soon I'm going to reach the X-force daili reward, so I'm thinking to buy some covers and set Xforce to 4/4/3 so finally it will be 5/5/3 and sell yellow cover.

The question is if I'll make this, is going to let me reach top25? I have around 100k ISO right now. Thanks in advance

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zon3 wrote:

I'm actually in a 2* -> 3* transition, but getting new covers in PVP is beeing hard ( 320-370 points). I can reach top100 most of the times, top50 If I have a little luck, but there's a big difference with getting 2 (top25) covers instead 1.

Nowadays I've got a 1/1/3 Wolv. (Xforce) (level 115), algo, 5 maxed 2* (obw, thor, daken, ares, human torch), 3/2/2 blade (level 89) and a huge amount of 3* with only 2 or 3 covers. Soon I'm going to reach the X-force daili reward, so I'm thinking to buy some covers and set Xforce to 4/4/3 so finally it will be 5/5/3 and sell yellow cover.

The question is if I'll make this, is going to let me reach top25? I have around 100k ISO right now. Thanks in advance

a 4/4/3 xforce is worse than a 1/5/1 xforce.

You should be easily able to top50 with a working xf (read: 5 in green or black), but top25 only in some lucky shards.

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A 5 green Xforce can be a lot of fun to run with the right characters next to him. Blade is a lot of fun, especially if you don't have Xforce black covered right (mine's at 5/2/5, level 250). But with him, and 5 other max 3* characters, I'm getting to 800 pretty easily most of the time. Leaving him at 4 green or black just makes him tough to use.

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muz1kman wrote:

A 5 green Xforce can be a lot of fun to run with the right characters next to him. Blade is a lot of fun, especially if you don't have Xforce black covered right (mine's at 5/2/5, level 250). But with him, and 5 other max 3* characters, I'm getting to 800 pretty easily most of the time. Leaving him at 4 green or black just makes him tough to use.

Unfortunately my Blade is only 1/1/1 since I was away for months. I see many who mention that they use him in their A team. In a team with XF and Blade who would you choose as the 3rd character? Also, what is your Blade like? 5/3/3 or 3/5/5?

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ark123 wrote:

a 4/4/3 xforce is worse than a 1/5/1 xforce.

I am inclined to agree. My xforce is 4/4/3 and i cant see myself using him without at least one of those two missing covers. Devoting my Iso to rounding out a better selection of 3-stars instead.

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dearbluey wrote:

ark123 wrote:

a 4/4/3 xforce is worse than a 1/5/1 xforce.

I am inclined to agree. My xforce is 4/4/3 and i cant see myself using him without at least one of those two missing covers. Devoting my Iso to rounding out a better selection of 3-stars instead.

You could also buy the black and use your 453 xforce in the current pvp to get green through progression

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ark123 wrote:

dearbluey wrote:

ark123 wrote:

a 4/4/3 xforce is worse than a 1/5/1 xforce.

I am inclined to agree. My xforce is 4/4/3 and i cant see myself using him without at least one of those two missing covers. Devoting my Iso to rounding out a better selection of 3-stars instead.

You could also buy the black and use your 453 xforce in the current pvp to get green through progression

I've been fortunate enough that I haven't had to purchase a cover yet - and I'm patient enough to wait.

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dearbluey wrote:

ark123 wrote:

dearbluey wrote:

ark123 wrote:

a 4/4/3 xforce is worse than a 1/5/1 xforce.

I am inclined to agree. My xforce is 4/4/3 and i cant see myself using him without at least one of those two missing covers. Devoting my Iso to rounding out a better selection of 3-stars instead.

You could also buy the black and use your 453 xforce in the current pvp to get green through progression

I've been fortunate enough that I haven't had to purchase a cover yet - and I'm patient enough to wait.

I was the same until I figured out that buying my last patch cover would mean getting much more entertainment out of the game, and that is stick around. I then it just became paying for entertainment, which I do all the time. Now it's day 200 and I've a functional 4* team and can compete for top1 in some brackets. It's fun as hell. Good buy.

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So my XF was sitting, relatively ignored at 3/5/3 for a while, but I recently pulled a green cover to bring him to 4/5/3. I'm sitting on about 100K ISO. I have Patch/Blade/Deadpool/Hulk/Captain Marvel/Steve Rogers at 166. My underleveled but max covered are: Hood, GSBW, Grocket, Mystique and Mohawk. My question is, should I continue to build a roster of 166 3*s or should I start pumping ISO into XForce? Should I wait to pull the last green before bothering?

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Fievel wrote:

So my XF was sitting, relatively ignored at 3/5/3 for a while, but I recently pulled a green cover to bring him to 4/5/3. I'm sitting on about 100K ISO. I have Patch/Blade/Deadpool/Hulk/Captain Marvel/Steve Rogers at 166. My underleveled but max covered are: Hood, GSBW, Grocket, Mystique and Mohawk. My question is, should I continue to build a roster of 166 3*s or should I start pumping ISO into XForce? Should I wait to pull the last green before bothering?

A 353 xforce can kick ****. You should already be upping him.

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Green is probably the easiest power to find a replacement for X Force just because great green powers are a dime a dozen. Sure, X Force is probably the best green power in the game, but the difference between say X Force and Call the Storm is significantly less than the difference between Surgical Strike versus Rage of the Panther. I'd contemplate using several green powers over X Force at +50% strength (typical boost), while it's hard to see any black power other than ROTP to even be considered over Surgical strike at +50% strength.

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I was browsing the various *outrage* threads in /general and a lot of people there are mentioning an upcoming X-Force nerf. Is this true? Or are people just overreacting?

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fickle wrote:

I was browsing the various *outrage* threads in /general and a lot of people there are mentioning an upcoming X-Force nerf. Is this true? Or are people just overreacting?

Speculating, because he's more powerful than 4or even pre-nerf.

eaise

Ben Grimm wrote:

fickle wrote:

I was browsing the various *outrage* threads in /general and a lot of people there are mentioning an upcoming X-Force nerf. Is this true? Or are people just overreacting?

Speculating, because he's more powerful than 4or even pre-nerf.

XF kills a low health support character with 8 AP
Thoress kills 2 characters (stunlocks counts as kill) not matter how much health for 19 AP.
XF is definitely less powerful than pre-nerf Thoress

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eaise wrote:

Ben Grimm wrote:

fickle wrote:

I was browsing the various *outrage* threads in /general and a lot of people there are mentioning an upcoming X-Force nerf. Is this true? Or are people just overreacting?

Speculating, because he's more powerful than 4or even pre-nerf.

XF kills a low health support character with 8 AP
Thoress kills 2 characters (stunlocks counts as kill) not matter how much health for 19 AP.
XF is definitely less powerful than pre-nerf Thoress

So you're just ignoring his actual best power, then?

ronin_san

I've been thinking about how XFW could be dialed back without people rage quitting and throwing hissy fits.

(I'm guilty of the latter; no denying it).

Here are my suggestions for modestly dialing him back without ruining him.

Regarding his : Keep it an X shape. Let me choose where to do it, but don't make it a smattering of destruction. I get that it reduces damage a bit, but that's fine. The cost doesn't need changing. It clears more than Hulk does with a clap, and WELL outdamages it for less green spent. IF it still did 2500 + dmg from tiles in an X pattern of your choosing, it wouldn't be broken. It would still be functional.

Think of the pattern as a 45 degree rotated GSBW crosshair.

For his End the turn. That's all.

These are modest. They don't RUIN him or break his usability. Thoughts?

eaise

Don't nerf XF at All!

That's the best answer!