**** Wolverine (X-Force) **** [PRE 2015-04]

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MarvelMan wrote:

One key would be considering whether you want XF to tank or not. If not, watch the damage values closely.

My initial thought is to bring his match damage to just below my 3stars so that his running mate (3Thor, Hood) will have the strongest color and not feed green to any attacking XForces. Of course, my opinion may change after a few events, but easier to go up than down.

The_Valeyard wrote:

Levels don't directly affect scaling. If you were using patch before, I would think there would be scaling difference only if you are getting out of battles taking less damage percentage than before.

Don't want to rehash this debate here, but highest character level definitely affects starting difficulty level. Agree that it does not affect personal or community scaling, except tangentially by damage taken, as you mentioned.

MarvelMan

Leave Hood low. I made that mistake (well, they jacked him up for me when they level shifted).


After saying that, you usually pair him with 3*Thor? I forget your roster, how are your CMag/SuperSteve? I often pair XF with Hood and one of them. I agree with keeping their damage ahead of his so opposing XFs steal/purge red or yellow instead.

cg2912

I pair him w/Daken to tank black.

MarvelMan

cg2912 wrote:

I pair him w/Daken to tank black.

Careful, depending on your third that could lead to opposing XFs pulling black with SS possibly meaning SS -> SS -> XF killing off two chars (assuming Daken passed between the two SSs).

Unknown

Hood is the next one for me to level to 166. Can you let me know why leave him lower before I make the mistake.

Thanks

MarvelMan

Hood is notoriously squishy, and that doesnt change if you level him to 166 but it would come with the drawback of him tanking colors for some of your other chars which is a big no no. He doesnt want to EVER be in front (which is partially why the change to Twin Pistols was bad).

mohio

Angelshammer wrote:

Hood is the next one for me to level to 166. Can you let me know why leave him lower before I make the mistake.

Thanks

I would personally level him, but the arguments are roughly this.

For leveling: his health is low so you should get it as high as possible so you don't need to heal or risk downing for every aoe attack. Also the more health the longer he should live on defense, or at least cause others to skip. No one is scared of a 3k health hood, even cover maxed.

Against leveling: max health is so low that you're better off keeping him from ever tanking any colors and ending up in front. This means he only takes damage when hit by aoe or if you don't bring anyone else to cover one of his covers.

My take is that it's pretty hard to always cover hood, so you might as well max his health so he stays alive as long as possible.

MarvelMan

Even at 166 he is almost one shotted by XF, it only takes a couple matches to finish him off.

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MarvelMan wrote:

Leave Hood low. I made that mistake (well, they jacked him up for me when they level shifted).


After saying that, you usually pair him with 3*Thor? I forget your roster, how are your CMag/SuperSteve? I often pair XF with Hood and one of them. I agree with keeping their damage ahead of his so opposing XFs steal/purge red or yellow instead.

Already made the mistake with Hood @135. His yellow is already higher than XF yellow @270.

I am waiting to cash in a ton of heroics until Mags is back (which is now). After that, I am buying the last 3 XF covers, so haven't been using him outside of PvE with Mags/Mystique.

Thor, Cap, and Hood are 135 with 13 covers. Mags is 5/0/2, so 8 covers from being great. My intent for now is 3Thor with Red/Yellow opponents and Hood with other colors.

mohio

papa07 wrote:

MarvelMan wrote:

Leave Hood low. I made that mistake (well, they jacked him up for me when they level shifted).


After saying that, you usually pair him with 3*Thor? I forget your roster, how are your CMag/SuperSteve? I often pair XF with Hood and one of them. I agree with keeping their damage ahead of his so opposing XFs steal/purge red or yellow instead.

Already made the mistake with Hood @135. His yellow is already higher than XF yellow @270.

I am waiting to cash in a ton of heroics until Mags is back (which is now). After that, I am buying the last 3 XF covers, so haven't been using him outside of PvE with Mags/Mystique.

Thor, Cap, and Hood are 135 with 13 covers. Mags is 5/0/2, so 8 covers from being great. My intent for now is 3Thor with Red/Yellow opponents and Hood with other colors.

3* Thor is probably a better overall character, but if your intention is to collect green and black above all else (and boost g/b even) then I think you're better off with cap when you surgical red. Just my 2 cents.

Changedx

Thanks again for the advice. I honestly hadn't tried taking on 270's before -- I just skipped them. I'll try and see how it goes.

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Changedx wrote:

Thanks again for the advice. I honestly hadn't tried taking on 270's before -- I just skipped them. I'll try and see how it goes.

The only practical difference between a 220 or so force and a 270 is 2k life. You can totally just deny him black and try to keep him away from green. If he gets off a green tank them on someone who can take it and just kill him. He's very good but this game had a massive attackers advantage.

Unknown

Day 114, a single xforce to my name...

This sucks.

Unknown

Need advice all. I have Hulk, Cap Murcia, LDaken, Black Panther all at 166. With this team I am able to get to 750-850 pts in PVP, but after that I hit the wall. My Xforce is currently at 3/2/2 so I was going to buy hp and get some covers for him since I think he could help me in PVP and PVE. Is it more effective to go for the 5 in black or 5 in green?

GrumpySmurf1002

ecir2002 wrote:

Need advice all. I have Hulk, Cap Murcia, LDaken, Black Panther all at 166. With this team I am able to get to 750-850 pts in PVP, but after that I hit the wall. My Xforce is currently at 3/2/2 so I was going to buy hp and get some covers for him since I think he could help me in PVP and PVE. Is it more effective to go for the 5 in black or 5 in green?

5 Black > 5 Green. That said, you should have enough firepower there to beat the 270 twins.

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GrumpySmurf1002 wrote:

ecir2002 wrote:

Need advice all. I have Hulk, Cap Murcia, LDaken, Black Panther all at 166. With this team I am able to get to 750-850 pts in PVP, but after that I hit the wall. My Xforce is currently at 3/2/2 so I was going to buy hp and get some covers for him since I think he could help me in PVP and PVE. Is it more effective to go for the 5 in black or 5 in green?

5 Black > 5 Green. That said, you should have enough firepower there to beat the 270 twins.

I haven't tried the 270 pair yet since I'm too scared haha. I'll do the 5 in black then. How does that decide which color to pick if there are 2 different colors with the highest damage?

Phaserhawk

ecir2002 wrote:

GrumpySmurf1002 wrote:

ecir2002 wrote:

Need advice all. I have Hulk, Cap Murcia, LDaken, Black Panther all at 166. With this team I am able to get to 750-850 pts in PVP, but after that I hit the wall. My Xforce is currently at 3/2/2 so I was going to buy hp and get some covers for him since I think he could help me in PVP and PVE. Is it more effective to go for the 5 in black or 5 in green?

5 Black > 5 Green. That said, you should have enough firepower there to beat the 270 twins.

I haven't tried the 270 pair yet since I'm too scared haha. I'll do the 5 in black then. How does that decide which color to pick if there are 2 different colors with the highest damage?

ask yourself this, would you rather take an X-Force or a Surgical Strike from the other team. I think a good 9/10 times you are going to want to take the X-Force. Black is where his power is at.

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I have to say, if anyone for some odd reason is wondering how to spec xforce, it is indisputably 5/5/3. Everyone that uses xforce knows that his recovery gets matched at such an alarming rate that I have to believe it's in the code and intended that way. We aren't talking about recovery appearing next to an obvious yellow match, the amazing cascades and match 4s that occur to get that countdown tile is like watching a no hitter get broken up in the 9th with two outs. I actually use it now as a damage tile because I know that probably 70% of the time it will get matched one way or another. It's laughable at this point. If the way they were getting matched wasn't so far fetched, I don't think it's even noticeable... What do you guys think? Coincidence or conspiracy?

Unknown

Three turns is a long time for a CD that you can't place to survive.

mjh

I can't tell you how many times I use Intimidation to get it to go off sooner, sacrificing Surgical Strike. will undoubtedly need a anyways but XF shouldn't so..

It's also like previously mentioned, a 3-turn CD you can't place has very low odds of going off.