the scAvengers - [20/20] - You have Hulk. We have Phantron.

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Veteran players and founders please join post at viewtopic.php?f=7&t=7681

sincerely,
QTQuazar (founder, Ace of Blades)

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Phaserhawk wrote:

I have have had no problem recently because I suicide tank, not retreat, suicide to death. It takes longer, but I have noticed hit points lost in match seem to have a huge!!!! effect on who I see. If I go in and retreat with some 1*'s I have to do this 10-20 times to see any kind of a change and it's not much. But if I go in with 2*'s Thor/Ares/Wolverine and I die on purpose, health pack them, and do it again, in 2 suicide tanks, I go from 3x`141's to 3x85's. I did some tanking like this 4-5 times in a row, using IM40 since I don't need him very often, Hulk, BP, and some other high hitpoint benchers and I dropped way too much. to where I was seeing 3x1*'s. I also have not made a push in the SHEILD event, since all I care about is Nick Fury anyway, I think this has helped me too. So while I think retreating does work, you have to put in more effort then losing on purpose with some hit point fatties, sure the matches take a bit longer, but the results are greater, and it actually takes less time losing on purpose a few times, then retreating 30 times.

Phaser, do You read what You write?
I already thought spending 30mins each couple of days killing my entire roster was a terrible thing which the game forces me to do.

I did one fight now - do You know how hard it's to lose on purpose? The fight take ages.

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Emeryt wrote:

Phaser, do You read what You write?

*DANGER* *DANGER* *DANGER* Critical Fed-Up-With-D3 level detected. *DANGER* *DANGER* *DANGER*

As an emergency remedy, please do the following:

1.) Avoid games featuring a glaring absence of Lazy Daken for at least two hours.
2.) Repeatedly stomp your pillow a few dozen times. Pretend it's Spider-Man after the nerf, it will feel realistic.
3.) Say something nice about D3 in the "Say something nice" thread. Enjoy how good it can feel to fail repeatedly.

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Some fun times together... thanks, my fellow scAvengers.

Been a pleasure.

You need to find someone to fill in my spot after Season 1.

Copps

That's too bad emery you will be missed here and among the wider community. As for myself I'm heading back out into a bush camp that May or may not have cell service so my play may be spotty for the near future. If people want I will drop my spot after season one if I can't play regularly.

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I'm not playing S2 either. We should decide what route to take with the alliance, if turns out only few people interested to push on we could keep it as home.

Or I'm still up to creating the EX alliance. Last time I looked at almost 5k HP can buy several slots.

Phaserhawk

Yes emryt I do. It's not hard to lose. Just match enviro tiles and off colors. Takes about 5 mins which is better than massive retreats, but I digress. Why do we want to quit? We are doing great. We don't have to be tops in everything, we just need to play what we feel. It will be enough. How bout we boot or ask to leave those that are done with the game, and maybe recruit some aggressive 2*' players to help us out since the game is leaning towards them

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Phaserhawk wrote:

Yes emryt I do. It's not hard to lose. Just match enviro tiles and off colors. Takes about 5 mins which is better than massive retreats, but I digress. Why do we want to quit? We are doing great. We don't have to be tops in everything, we just need to play what we feel. It will be enough. How bout we boot or ask to leave those that are done with the game, and maybe recruit some aggressive 2*' players to help us out since the game is leaning towards them

Phaser - do what You want, You're one of the commanders Just discuss with them first.

I really want to play this game. But the word "play" is far from reality, when concerning this chore.

Games should be fun, right? This game isn't for me.

And I will not support such incompetent developers.

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I think there's an issue of perspective here. I looked up our alliance's score on season 1 and here's what I see:

Emeryt: 13726
Phantron: 12250
Phaserhawk: 7691

Although I don't know what everyone's SHIELD training is I'll just assume they're equal for now, so Emeryt probably averages 200 points higher per event than I do. I usually shoot for 900 but will grind to 1100 occasionally if it's particularly easy or if there's something I want at 1100, and it's pretty clear that trying to get an extra 200 points beyond 900, let alone higher, is very stressful. There's no magical strategy that will help you get up there because it's not meant to be easy. On the other hand grinding an event where your featured hero is level 18 is pretty painful, and looking at Phaserhawk's score I'm guessing he can't possibly average 900 on every event, but that also means he doesn't have to suffer through being hit by literally every high level roster out there because your featured hero is weak.

Barring the events where we've multiple missing persons, we've so far placed within the 3* cover range very easily. Even while missing more than one guy we generally still manage the cover, so I don't think anyone should feel obligated to play for the sake of alliance. At the personal level, that's entirely up to each individual. If you must have that 4* then it's going to be a rather exhausting effort in every PvP match, but it's really okay to grind to 900 or so and then just stay shielded for a top 25 finish. Well, that probably won't get you a top 25 finish right now because competition is super intense, but that score should still be more than enough to keep pace for alliance. And if you're trying for a high placement in season 1 personal bracket, that's always going to be pretty tough coming out top 5 or whatever out of 5000 people. Even being top 10 out of 5000 is roughly like being #1 out of 500 on average. I'm in the same bracket as Emeryt and I'm sitting at #10, and I'm certainly not worried about trying to hold top 10 because it's just 50 HP.

Phaserhawk

Emeryt wrote:

Phaserhawk wrote:

Yes emryt I do. It's not hard to lose. Just match enviro tiles and off colors. Takes about 5 mins which is better than massive retreats, but I digress. Why do we want to quit? We are doing great. We don't have to be tops in everything, we just need to play what we feel. It will be enough. How bout we boot or ask to leave those that are done with the game, and maybe recruit some aggressive 2*' players to help us out since the game is leaning towards them

Phaser - do what You want, You're one of the commanders Just discuss with them first.

I really want to play this game. But the word "play" is far from reality, when concerning this chore.

Games should be fun, right? This game isn't for me.

And I will not support such incompetent developers.

Man bud I'm sorry you are having a rough go. The stuff lately has sucked, but you are such an assest I would hate to see you leave. I recommend a week off for you. We have season rewards locked up. Take a break, recharge, if your still feeling the same okay, but it sounds like you need some mpq downtime

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Let's be clear on this:

I don't mind grinding. I'm repetetive type of person - give me simple task to do a thousand times, I'll do it.

I don't mind waking up at sick hours that much.

But this game keeps on pushing my limits. This is a match-3 FFS. This should be an easy, fun to play game. It is not. 3x141 from the start in PvP. sick levels in PvE.

And in order to keep up You can't take a break.

bugs, bugs, bugs.

No communication with the devs.

Changes which raise devs revenue, not our fun.

This is not China. And we're not some 10years olds, who make Adidas shoes.

Phaserhawk

Phantron wrote:

I think there's an issue of perspective here. I looked up our alliance's score on season 1 and here's what I see:

Emeryt: 13726
Phantron: 12250
Phaserhawk: 7691

Although I don't know what everyone's SHIELD training is I'll just assume they're equal for now, so Emeryt probably averages 200 points higher per event than I do. I usually shoot for 900 but will grind to 1100 occasionally if it's particularly easy or if there's something I want at 1100, and it's pretty clear that trying to get an extra 200 points beyond 900, let alone higher, is very stressful. There's no magical strategy that will help you get up there because it's not meant to be easy. On the other hand grinding an event where your featured hero is level 18 is pretty painful, and looking at Phaserhawk's score I'm guessing he can't possibly average 900 on every event, but that also means he doesn't have to suffer through being hit by literally every high level roster out there because your featured hero is weak.

Barring the events where we've multiple missing persons, we've so far placed within the 3* cover range very easily. Even while missing more than one guy we generally still manage the cover, so I don't think anyone should feel obligated to play for the sake of alliance. At the personal level, that's entirely up to each individual. If you must have that 4* then it's going to be a rather exhausting effort in every PvP match, but it's really okay to grind to 900 or so and then just stay shielded for a top 25 finish. Well, that probably won't get you a top 25 finish right now because competition is super intense, but that score should still be more than enough to keep pace for alliance. And if you're trying for a high placement in season 1 personal bracket, that's always going to be pretty tough coming out top 5 or whatever out of 5000 people. Even being top 10 out of 5000 is roughly like being #1 out of 500 on average. I'm in the same bracket as Emeryt and I'm sitting at #10, and I'm certainly not worried about trying to hold top 10 because it's just 50 HP.

Lol my shield training score is 115 . That's why I haven't been getting smacked around like you guys I guess. I just felt no need for any if the shield training prizes. And after the pain I experienced when pushing in the shield training in prologue and how high mmr got as a 2 star I about quit. I think that's where you are at. I haven't been able to push lately due to real life but I can hit 1000 in any PVP without trouble. I knew when that shield training went up it was a trap. Sure you can push hard but you are gonna jack your mmr. I think s2 we just want to get fury covers that's it I don't care if we are 1st or 500th as long as we get the cover. ISO and hp is bonus, I can fork over $20 if I really need that. That is my vote for s2 anywsy

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When my roster was 3X85 most of my matchups are 3X85, so why shouldn't they be 3X141 now that my roster is 3X141?

For PvE, it sounds like there's an issue with the clearing strategy. I'm pretty sure I can manage top 50 on a PvE event with half of my normal effort (but not missing any refresh, of course). The reason I do more than that is because I like competing, but if I did not, I can certainly still get the nice covers while doing way less. As long as you're hitting the essential nodes twice or three times each refresh, you shouldn't have any unreasonably hard opponent at the end. Now, if you're trying to do better, you could get hammered by scaling, but that's part of the risk you need to take if you're trying to get #1. Besides, I don't know of anyone who was running for #1, got hammered by scaling, and then somehow fell out of top 100. The worst case scenario might be you end up in top 25. I couldn't do half of my nodes in The Hunt for Falcon toward the last few refreshes and I think I still finished #3 overall. Sure, it sucks when you're gunning for #1 and fail, but it's not like I somehow failed to even get a Falcon cover because of scaling.

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Phaserhawk wrote:

Lol my shield training score is 115 . That's why I haven't been getting smacked around like you guys I guess. I just felt no need for any if the shield training prizes. And after the pain I experienced when pushing in the shield training in prologue and how high mmr got as a 2 star I about quit. I think that's where you are at. I haven't been able to push lately due to real life but I can hit 1000 in any PVP without trouble. I knew when that shield training went up it was a trap. Sure you can push hard but you are gonna jack your mmr. I think s2 we just want to get fury covers that's it I don't care if we are 1st or 500th as long as we get the cover. ISO and hp is bonus, I can fork over $20 if I really need that. That is my vote for s2 anywsy

No I mean based on your score your average score in the season 1 events obviously can't be higher than about 900 and probably close to around 700 (we've roughly 10 events so far I think). Now, if I only want 700 points in a PvP event I can literally sleepwalk to 700 and probably won't even need to shield, and I'm sure it's even easier for Emeryt who scores about 200 higher than I do on average. The goal you set for yourself determines how painful (or not) the game is. If your goal is 1300 point, it's always going to be painful, and there's nothing anyone else can do to help you there. There's certainly no reason at the alliance level why anyone should feel they have to get 1300 per event, so this is purely a personal issue. It seems to me Emeryt sets his goals extremely high but if you set your goals that high, it's just going to be that much harder. One of the event had an IW blue at 1300 that I wanted and it featured one of my weakest heroes, so I was getting hammered when I try to make the climb and eventually I just say forget it. It is entirely possible that I may have never gotten 1300 even if I press on, but that's something I choose and I don't think it's fair to blame the game for that.

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daveomite

Emeryt wrote:

http://www.d3pforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=7729

Emeryt, had to stop by the SCAvengers stomping grounds to say farewell, if that is indeed where your frustration leads you. It would be a shame to lose you, both in the game, and on the forum.

I agree with much of your reasoning. It just shouldn't be this hard, and certainly not as broken at times. But through it all, you and your team managed to still place well, so that says a lot. Mucho respect.

So....pardon my intrusion into the top secret lair of the SCAvengers. Please don't kill me. I promise I'll never tell a soul...

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I'm still going to tough it out

Copps

Well as for season 2 I'm feeling both a little burnt out and heading into a bush camp where I may or may not get cell reception so if we decide to push s2 and I can't play I'll relinquish my spot. If I can play it will definitely be at a reduced intensity.

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Emeryt, I'm sorry to see you go, but I understand completely. Being in the scAvengers and the camaraderie is the best part of the game for me. As the rest of the game continues to go downhill, even more so. This alliance and game will not be the same without you.

To the rest of the scAvengers, I'm feeling the burn out also. I'm not as hardcore as some of the rest of us, but the time commitment for this game is increasing as the quality is going down. I would love a break between season 1 and season 2 to relax and regroup, but I doubt that will happen. I could try to play more casually, but that is really not my personality. I either have to be competing for real or I feel like I'm falling behind.

I'm going to keep on keeping on and see what happens in the next 2-3 weeks, but I might not make it to the end of season 2. If I decide to leave I will bow out gracefully and relinquish my spot in the alliance. If the game course corrects and starts to become more fun to me, then all the better.

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Phantron wrote:

When my roster was 3X85 most of my matchups are 3X85, so why shouldn't they be 3X141 now that my roster is 3X141?

That is a bad rhetoric question, right?

In a healthy strategy (sim, rpg, ...) game you fight a fixed environment. And as you train up it makes you progress, and can deal with the environment better. At start of Ultima Underworld you have a hard time to defeat a rat, and a few days in rats just crash under your excellent plate boots you obtained to replace the warn leather sandals.

Sure you will discover harder enemies -- but on new territories you formerly didn't dare to approach at all. And if you do you find way better stuff than the rats had.

I know there are some braindead games that actually scale the enemies for you so all the time you have the same experience -- I never played those and they hardly get metascore over 30.

When we started MPQ in the old times it had way better system: you were fighting matches by point range, those in the vicinity. What makes sense. Selecting for you by roster from random point range? That is just pure ****. fighting other 141 teams above 900 is okay if they live there mostly -- but at 0 points?

The way it is havin a 141 company is pure disadvantage as if you fight with *s and opponents are selected to be only similar level -- with all the atacker advantages you can win in fragment time and damage auto-heals in moments, even downed characters wake in 5m. Evolution only gains you longer and way more dnagerous matches, damage that heals naturally for hours and down time 10x that big. Pure ****. And you know it better than us.