***** Jean Grey (Phoenix) *****

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  • CrowlCrowl Posts: 1,524 Chairperson of the Boards
    Polares wrote:
    I still don't agree with red at 5 making all disadvantages worse, this is some very bad design, getting more covers should always improve the power. If she would have more strike tiles, stronger strike tiles and more damage I could understand getting more disadvantages, because the advantages would be bigger than the disadvantages, but just for adding one strike tile? It doesn't make any sense. The logical thing would be that at 5 you win one strike tile and the enemy attack tiles do LESS damage.

    Another way they could improve that power with more covers would be to increase that threshold where the enemy tiles are generated.

    It does seem odd that they have actively made this character worse since release with the changes that have been made, it is not like OML has been nerfed or SS buffed after all.
  • Black DukeBlack Duke Posts: 694 Critical Contributor
    Hey guys! My 2/5/5 Jean Grey will get her 13th cover from Shield Resupply in 5 days. Since I´m still uncertain if I should champion Phoenix, I would want to hear some opinions from players who has played her more often. What are JG´s pros and cons? Does she still stands her ground in the current 5* meta?

    Thanks in advance!
  • atomzedatomzed Posts: 1,543 Chairperson of the Boards
    @Black Duke

    Is she going to be your first 5*? if she is, then you just need to consider the impact she has on your MMR.

    Pros:- 
    JG is one of the few 5* who can generate tiles on the board with her purple. and it is arguably her best move. Store purple till 14 or 21, unleash her purple and you get cascades galore. and in 5* land, cascades can be really deadly, especially with all the critical tiles that are generated. 

    Her red generate decent strike tiles, but it’s hard to use because you can’t spam it. spam too much and you will create enemy attack tiles. 

    Her green can be a hail mary move, once she is revived her green does good aoe dmg. The revive also helps to save health packs. 

    Cons
    She is pretty much a one trick pony (though a really good one). after i have a few champ 5*, i realised that i don’t use her that much. it gets boring using her at times because i was only racing for purple. Her red dmg is quite poor in 5*, and not being able to spam it makes it difficult to use too. 

    she is still a good 5* to champ, and as the first or second champ, she is really quite good. but because of power creep, her power has declined quite a lot. 
  • Black DukeBlack Duke Posts: 694 Critical Contributor
    Thanks for your detailed respond. @atomzed

    Well, she would be my 5th 5* champion. My concern is that she wouldn´t work well with my other champions (Daredevil, Spider-Man, Silver Surfer, Gambit) since I already have a few (probably better) red/purple users.
  • atomzedatomzed Posts: 1,543 Chairperson of the Boards
    Thanks for your detailed respond. @atomzed

    Well, she would be my 5th 5* champion. My concern is that she wouldn´t work well with my other champions (Daredevil, Spider-Man, Silver Surfer, Gambit) since I already have a few (probably better) red/purple users.
    @Black Duke

    she won’t work well with Gambit for sure! cos she can’t use her purple or red. 

    but she will work well with SS because they only have 1 overlapping color in red. what i do with SS-Phx is to use only her red once (to generate her strike tiles to buff), and when i use SS blue, i charge red tiles. that gives triple dmg when you have red cascades galore. SS red is also cheap, so you can fire it often to utilise the strike tiles fully. 

    i dont have a champ DD, but i reckon Phx will work well with him too. her red strike tiles will allow him to heal faster. his green will also double dip on the strike tiles. both have true heal ability so you will save health packs; in fact, you can enter a battle with 50% health and you won’t be too worried. the problem for Phx-DD pairing is that you will probably want to use phx purple, and DD purple becomes useless. 

    all in all, i think Phx won’t change your 5* experience that much, but she will still be an additional tool among your 5* arsenal. if you have the iso, champ her. if you have to wait out, that’s also fine. 

    btw, what’s her current build? if you have 5 purple you can bring her out for a spin other 5* to see your experience. 
  • sinnerjflsinnerjfl Posts: 1,162 Chairperson of the Boards
    Spidey goes well with Phoenix also, use Phoenix's purple to gather red, get to 6 webs and watch the fireworks.
  • hopper1979hopper1979 Posts: 563 Critical Contributor
    She works really well with Gambit if you do 0/0/5  :(:(
  • GlockomaGlockoma Posts: 194 Tile Toppler
    HELP! I’m unbelievably outdated and overshadowed!
  • GlockomaGlockoma Posts: 194 Tile Toppler
    HELP! It’s been over a year since I wrote this and still no change, *YIKES*

    Funny thing is, I recently played against boss Phoenix in one of the PVE’s with a whole new set of skills that were really great. How come they can add that in and can’t find the time to help out our of Phoenix.....hmmmm
  • atomzedatomzed Posts: 1,543 Chairperson of the Boards
    Erm? What do you want to know about Phoenix? She’s a good red battery. Currently that’s about it. 
    She may be good with IHulk? I can’t wait to try that team out actually. 
  • GlockomaGlockoma Posts: 194 Tile Toppler
    @atomzed No, no I know all about Phoenix  ***looks out into the distance***...she was my first 5*...all those years ago...

    I’m a pretty avid rebalancing advocate and I peruse the character discussions related to 5*’s to catch people opinions or insights. I just happened to notice my own comment from over a year ago when talks of rebalancing first came along and never materialized.

    As far as a decent iHulk partner? I’ve tried them together and they are decent in terms of climbing. But it’s really not as fun as you would imagine since hulk talk all colors except purple, kills himself before you can accelerate his red, then you leave the match to find you have been attacked 5 times. There are better options out there, honestly. And she is not that scary anymore when transformed. 

    Thanks brother!
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